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US To Add 2nd CLT-FRA Flight  
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

US last Saturday loaded a 2nd CLT-FRA flight starting May 24th. Also this flight as of now does not appear seasonal. As of now it is loaded all the way through 10/22, which is the farthest day out you can book on US. US had loaded this flight for last summer, but withdrew soon after it was loaded because they did not get decent slots. Now with the new runway open, US was able to get some good times. This flight should do well. Now if US can just secure some decent slot times at GRU, they'll be set

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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9201 times:

Nice to see it finally in the works. I think part of the problem last year was they waited until December to add the second flight. I'm sure it will be seasonal, as PHL-FRA is also seasonal. It will probably end late October.

GRU is coming.



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User currently offlinelows From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9088 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Thread starter):
US last Saturday loaded a 2nd CLT-FRA flight starting May 24th. Also this flight as of now does not appear seasonal. As of now it is loaded all the way through 10/22, which is the farthest day out you can book on US. US had loaded this flight for last summer, but withdrew soon after it was loaded because they did not get decent slots. Now with the new runway open, US was able to get some good times. This flight should do well. Now if US can just secure some decent slot times at GRU, they'll be set

Glad to see it, and I'm glad to see US strengthen their connection to *A.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9036 times:

Times look great, especially for those connecting from the Caribbean and Latin America. I would have thought this flight would have used an B767, but alas its an A332.

CLT TATL Schedule S12:

FRA: 1X A333, 1X A332
LGW: 1X A333
CDG: 1X A332
FCO: 1X A333
MAD: 1X B767
DUB: 1X B757
MUC: 1X A346 (operated by Lufthansa)

Not to shabby if you ask me. Concourse D is looking really tight during the evening/afternoon hours. However, the DUB flight usually departs from Concourse B, and MAD sometimes does as well.



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8441 times:

how are they doing in MAD?

When they opened that flight many people said that it was going to last not very long... but it seems like now is well stablish flight...


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Didn't LH also offer FRA-CLT on a A-340?

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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3034 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8268 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 5):
Didn't LH also offer FRA-CLT on a A-340?

That was with a 742 which continued on to IAH or DFW about 20 years ago. It lasted a couple years



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User currently offlineFerminios From Canada, joined Apr 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

US operates CLT-FRA, LH operates CLT-MUC  

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8031 times:
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Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
I would have thought this flight would have used an B767, but alas its an A332.

- Why alas? - the 332 interior is much nicer than the 762 fleet.



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User currently offlinetripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Any chance that US might add a CLT-AMS or BRU flight? Seems that it can sustain FCO and MAD flights, so could AMS or BRU be a realistic option and would it be in reach of the 7575? Is there any market between CLT and the BeNeLux?

User currently offlinethegman From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

Quoting tripple7 (Reply 9):

Any chance that US might add a CLT-AMS or BRU flight? Seems that it can sustain FCO and MAD flights, so could AMS or BRU be a realistic option and would it be in reach of the 7575? Is there any market between CLT and the BeNeLux?

Not a chance. AMS out of PHL is down to 752. At least with SpanAir there are decent connection options available through Star. No such thing at AMS.


User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7560 times:

Quoting thegman (Reply 10):
Quoting tripple7 (Reply 9):

Any chance that US might add a CLT-AMS or BRU flight? Seems that it can sustain FCO and MAD flights, so could AMS or BRU be a realistic option and would it be in reach of the 7575? Is there any market between CLT and the BeNeLux?

Not a chance. AMS out of PHL is down to 752. At least with SpanAir there are decent connection options available through Star. No such thing at AMS.

Agreed, AMS is not a big Star airport.
BRU though could be a good bet. Good feeding possibilities on SN within *A. Don't know if it's doable on 757 though.



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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Thread starter):
Now if US can just secure some decent slot times at GRU, they'll be set

Are you suggesting that there is a relationship between FRA-CLT and CLT-GRU are does "they'll be set" mean that their route structure will be more complete?



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 8):

I shouldn't have said alas. I was implying that because US scheduled the B767 to fly the second daily CLT-FRA last year, I would have thought they would have used that plane as well.

Quoting 330lover (Reply 11):

US struggles on PHL-AMS...CLT-AMS would not have a chance. IMHO, CLT-MAN would be the next logical TATL route from CLT.

Quoting flylku (Reply 12):

I think he meant something on the lines of "Once GRU is added, US will have a nice INTL hub out of CLT".



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
CLT-MAN would be the next logical TATL route from CLT.

I have to say I would be very surprised if US added MAN from CLT. The MAN-USA market is actually pretty small and everyone is saying even the recently added IAD-MAN route is going to be a struggle. US does very well on PHL-MAN because of huge pharmaceutical and business connections between the two cities...and I believe it's the only wide-bodied MAN TATL flight, not even ORD can do more than a 757 on the route.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 14):

Wow, I never knew that about MAN. I always thought that US used an A333 because cargo made the route. I was just thinking MAN because it's probably the only EU destination left in range of the B757.

I could maybe see CLT-ZRH, but I'm just extremely happy about the second daily FRA flight.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 14):
everyone is saying even the recently added IAD-MAN route is going to be a struggle

It's not even a capacity increase though (in the summer), just a moved EWR frequency

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 14):
I believe it's the only wide-bodied MAN TATL flight

MAN-ATL/MCO/SFB/LAS as well (Granted MCO/SFB/LAS aren't 'hub' flights, but ATL is). Plus PIA may still be stopping some JFK flights at MAN



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Anyone know where the A332 is coming from? I thought they had their A332's pretty heavily utilized.

Any additional widebody service between PHL-CLT with the additional CLT TA service?


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 994 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):
Anyone know where the A332 is coming from? I thought they had their A332's pretty heavily utilized.

The TATL schedule they have right now requires 8 A332s, and they only have 7, so there will be a few more equipment changes before the final is released. They also have 8 A333s scheduled, so if they swap one with an A332, they'll be stretched to the max for both of those fleets (9 333s and 7 332s with no spares). LHR and MUC are showing right now as operating with A333s, so the extra aircraft is probably going to come from one of those cities.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 17):

According to the schedule, I see the following domestic widebody routes:

PHL-CLT (B767)


Their widebody aircraft will be so utilized next summer-they don't even seem to be operating a second daily PHL-CLT on a B767.



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User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 349 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5202 times:
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Just what we need...more mediocre service across the Atlantic.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 20):

I'm assuming you haven't flown on one of their new A332s.



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User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 349 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4927 times:
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Quoting USAirALB (Reply 21):
I'm assuming you haven't flown on one of their new A332s.

You are correct. I have not flown US Airways' A332. I am sure they are a nice ride, but I was referring to the inflight experience in general...seat comfort, meals, IFE, F/As, etc. The few times I have flown US, they weren't spectacular and in fact, I was rather disappointed with them. Perhaps I should give them another try.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1268 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Right now the schedule is not correct in my opinion. If you look at both CLT/PHL-FRA, there is no way that their can be 2 A332 flights. As it is loaded now, the first 332 flight out of FRA to CLT is listed as a 332, but no 332 at that time would have even landed at FRA.

I believe they will end up fixing that error and it will be loaded as a 767


User currently offlinevlad1971 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
US struggles on PHL-AMS...CLT-AMS would not have a chance. IMHO, CLT-MAN would be the next logical TATL route from CLT.

According to Tatl charts AMS has one of the highest load factors on all European flights . Aircraft was downgraded to B757 as it could make it from PHL . There are rumours that it will go back to B767 next winter . Envoy class is always full on AMS flight and coach class as well . They just do not have a spare 767 for this route at the moment . Hopefully after new A332's will join the fleet AMS will get bigger plane out of PHL . Schiphol airport management would like to have a direct link with CLT and they were already 2 times in CLT to discuss this proposal but US said at the moment they do not have an aircraft to operate the route . I am sure if 767 which was used on AMS flight was not removed to operate GIG flights 2 years ago it would stay on the route till now .....


25 AT777 : If AMS management would like to have a direct link to CLT, why can't they get KLM to start the route? Just curious to hear why they wouldn't or could
26 USAirALB : Exactly, which shows there is little demand for CLT-AMS. If there was that much demand, they would have started CLT-AMS instead of CLT-MAD.
27 smoot4208 : Perhaps if AMS would've been in the 75W range, they could've started CLT-AMS. However since it would require a wide body, I don't think you'll ever s
28 usflyer msp : AMS has historically been one of the poorer-performing TATL routes for US. Adding capacity from CLT would only make one of their lowest yielding Euro
29 mah4546 : There is no demand for CLTMAD, either. But it's easy to fill with connections.
30 USAirALB : Doesn't CLT-MAD have the lowest PDEW for any nonstop TATL flight? US could probably fly CLT-AMS with a 75W. DL did CVG-AMS, and that's 4142 mi, just
31 flyguy89 : Ah yes, how could I forget about Virgin's operations at MAN! I suppose I was mainly looking at the US side of the equation, most of Virgin's flights
32 brandonfsu05 : I think the most profitable means of expanding from CLT to Europe now would be adjustment of frequencies... Maybe they will add another summer LGW fli
33 USAirALB : Agreed, although I do think there is room for one more European destination, time will tell what that destination will be. I think pax flying CLT-MUC
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not a big *A airport? It's the exact opposite! LOL HUGE SkyTeam airport. Huh? ATL-MAN
35 brandonfsu05 : Lol sure of course but some people's company's might make them choose the cheapest on the route...and I mean US Airways doesn't have many premium sea
36 shamrock604 : The MAN - USA market is certainly not small and the IAD-MAN flight will not struggle one bit. IAD-MAN replaces one of the daily EWR-MAN CO flights, a
37 flyguy89 : Already corrected above. Strongly disagree. MAN-USA is a comparatively small market that is well served to most major East Coast hubs. MAN is also 'b
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