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UA/CO Receives Single Operating Certificate  
User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 19
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19985 times:

On 11/27, UA and CO will receive a Single Operating Certificate. The Continental callsign disappears from 6AM Eastern Time on Sunday.


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3708 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19975 times:

Wow! And we get to know that barely 12 hours before???

User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19960 times:

It's the 30th. Not the 27th.

User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19907 times:
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Quoting avek00 (Thread starter):
On 11/27, UA and CO will receive a Single Operating Certificate. The Continental callsign disappears

And so does the United certificate - the surviving one is CO's.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19685 times:

Does anyone have the aircraft breakdown of the crossfleeting about to occur? Right now for April they are dummy schedules for 738 and 319s. I'm very curious to see if the hubs will have a variety of birds and if they will migrate from their existing gates. For example - will we see UA migrate to other parts of IAH other than their typical C north positions.


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User currently offlineflyhossd From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19158 times:

Quoting avek00 (Thread starter):
On 11/27, UA and CO will receive a Single Operating Certificate. The Continental callsign disappears from 6AM Eastern Time on Sunday.

Where did you hear that?

Quoting DualQual (Reply 2):
It's the 30th. Not the 27th.

  



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19036 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3):
And so does the United certificate - the surviving one is CO's.

OK..... I'm confused.... if the airline is to be called UNITED, why would the UNITED certificate be the one to disappear?


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 18911 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 6):
OK..... I'm confused.... if the airline is to be called UNITED, why would the UNITED certificate be the one to disappear?

Because the majority of the flight operation policies remaining are on the PMCO side of the house. It was easier to tweak the PMCO procedures and add the aircraft they needed instead of totally reworking the PMUA ones. At the end of the day the certificate will be called United, but it is the original PMCO certificate.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18364 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3):
And so does the United certificate - the surviving one is CO's.

Which kinda useless to point out, since at that same time all reference to the word "Continental" will be removed.

NS


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18278 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 6):
OK..... I'm confused.... if the airline is to be called UNITED, why would the UNITED certificate be the one to disappear?

Why? CO had approval for some approaches that the UA certificate did not have: ie RNAV approaches. Easier to take the CO certificate and apply it across the board versus UA petitioning the FAA with a plan on RNAV.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18254 times:

It makes sense to point out also that the legacy United repair station certificate is the one that will survive.

NS


User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17989 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 6):
OK..... I'm confused.... if the airline is to be called UNITED, why would the UNITED certificate be the one to disappear?

The truth is the bulk of the "New UA" will be the old CO with a rebranding. The FAA cert, the SHARES at the ATO, EZR in res, the "new" Purser program is CO's ISM relabled. The pilot will follow CO procedures, as will the ATO. Mileage Plus is really OnePass hosted in IMS, with all the old MP numbered converted to CO format. DTW TBM will close and be replaced by IAH. Even something like the system that tracks clubroom memberships will be the old P-club system rebranded "United Club" Of course, we are all eagerly looking forward to UA F+C cabin cartering being upgraded to CO standards (it is coming)

The one big exception is MX, UA was better on that side and we will retain their cert.


If you love or hate all this depends on ones POV. But that is what is happening. I took UA803 to NRT a week or so ago. I was in 1A, not yet knowing who I was, just that I replying to that I normally went to thru EWR, my F/A retorted. "I know the plane says United on the side, but we are CO now" as he gave me my Crown on the rocks, which he noted was also from CO. He was funny as hell, but got much more reserved when I told him I was CO. OTH the CO MX from HOU I meet in MNL, was very very unhappy about his life. So it cuts both ways

[Edited 2011-11-26 18:57:25]

User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 17889 times:

What is the timeline for workforce integration (in particular pilots)?
The US pilots have shown us that an SOC is meaningless if the pilot groups refuse to cooperate.

DLP


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17779 times:

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 12):
What is the timeline for workforce integration (in particular pilots)?

Both the UA and CO ALPA negotiators are engaged in joint meetings with UA. Once a JOINT agreement is reached a arbitrated seniority list will be determined and implemented. The time frame is dependent on the contract first and seniority list second. As a UA pilot I hope this process is completed very soon.


User currently offlinerising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17660 times:

Continental Airlines, Inc., the corporation itself, is scheduled to be dissolved also. Will that occur tomorrow or at a separate date? Also, United Continental Holdings, Inc. was meant to be a temporary name and the rumor was it was going to back to UAL Corporation.

Anyone more information on that or a time frame? Thanks!



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17637 times:

I though it was supposed to happen on 11/11/11?


Maybe they should push it to 12/12/12?


Last chance this century to get a trifecta like this everyone.


 


User currently offlineGizmoNC From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17453 times:

This was posted from flightinfo.com under UAL SOC 11-30-2011:
From the format it looks like an internal message to UA/CO pilots


Date: November 25, 2011
Expires: December 31, 2011
File #: I – 11 – 212
Subject: Single Call Sign Migration
To: All B756 Pilots
On the last day of November, Continental Flight 86 will arrive in Newark from Shanghai. When
the crew accepts their clearance to the gate, it will mark the last time we utter “Continental” on
our radios. While we will experience mixed emotions with the retirement of our proud call sign,
our brand and our heritage lives on.
The Air Carrier Certificate employed by legacy United Airlines (UALA011A) will cease to
operate at 0600 Central time (1200Z) on 11/30/11. All legacy Continental and legacy United
flights will operate using the certificate currently employed by Continental (CALA014A). Both
legacy airlines will file flight plans and operate with “United” flight numbers.


User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17388 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3):
And so does the United certificate - the surviving one is CO's.

Not entirely accurate, but if you wish. The CO certificate was used as the basis for the New UNITED for
various reasons, mostly because it is much newer and uses simpler more standard language. Thus it was
easier to adapt.


User currently offlinejetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17256 times:

Does anyone have an idea what integration is looking like as far as crewing aircraft for UA/CO... do the signs point towards a US/HP merger (only working their own planes) or NW/DL where FAs can work each others planes, but not mixed NW/DL FAs (


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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16262 times:
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Stupid question of detail: does it mean that at 1200Z on 11/30/11, every flight anywhere in the world in any phase of flight will use United as call sign, or does it mean that flight plans filed after that time will all say United, but ongoing flights will continue to be operated under whichever call sign they started?

I was supposed to fly PMCO that day, and I switched to PMUA just yesterday. Maybe I should fly the old CO one last time and switch again.



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User currently offlinedaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15870 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 11):
The truth is the bulk of the "New UA" will be the old CO with a rebranding. The FAA cert, the SHARES at the ATO, EZR in res, the "new" Purser program is CO's ISM relabled. The pilot will follow CO procedures, as will the ATO. Mileage Plus is really OnePass hosted in IMS, with all the old MP numbered converted to CO format. DTW TBM will close and be replaced by IAH. Even something like the system that tracks clubroom memberships will be the old P-club system rebranded "United Club" Of course, we are all eagerly looking forward to UA F+C cabin cartering being upgraded to CO standards (it is coming)

Interesting information that I haven't read before. What are the primary differences between the purser and ISM programs as they stand now? Also what is TBM? I hope DTWRR stays put because the Global Services agents are a true asset to the company's workforce.


User currently offlinetpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15412 times:

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 17):
Not entirely accurate, but if you wish. The CO certificate was used as the basis for the New UNITED for
various reasons, mostly because it is much newer and uses simpler more standard language. Thus it was
easier to adapt.

I miss how it was not 100% accurate? Renamed whatever, it is still the PMCO cert, no? A rose by any other name...



RE: DTWRR, it isn't closing but all ticketing will be done in IAH, two reasons. Mostly due to SHARES being the surviving program. Secondly UA supports very little e certs DTW TBM processes all of UA's old-school paper certs, where as CO has almost nothing left that is still paper. So the logical move to the procede with an expanded TBM in Houston.

RE: UCH being renamed UAL. I also hear often the rumor that in 1 year Jeff will leave and Tilton will return as CEO .This is often driven by those pro-union folks preching that CO culture will fade away and the dark days at UA are sure to return. They just ignore the fact that the contract of each man say the reverse. Tilton leaves and Jeff becomes both Chairman *and* CEO. 2 yr after the legal merger.

[Edited 2011-11-27 03:28:19]

User currently offlineChicagoflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14962 times:

ANY DAY NOW. NO SET DATE FOR SOC .....

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...rlines-united-continental-holdings


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14740 times:

How does this translate to the customer? For example, I will be flying CO1226 on Friday from EWR-PHX. When I show up to the airport on Friday will it now be announced as UA1226 with UA bag tags and UA boarding passes?

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5981 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14742 times:

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 11):
The truth is the bulk of the "New UA" will be the old CO with a rebranding

Not really you are over simplifying what has occurred and picking and choosing what parts to present. This is very much a merger of the best of both companies....and there is quite a bit of PMUA remaining.

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 21):
A rose by any other name...

Is still United Air Lines Inc.  
Quoting tpaewr (Reply 21):
Secondly UA supports very little e certs DTW TBM processes all of UA's old-school paper certs, where as CO has almost nothing left that is still paper.

Care to expand on that a bit as far as I know UA migrated off paper quite a while ago....I'm sure they still issue it for vouchers and such but all ticketing/upgrades is electronic.



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25 UAL747DEN : You are really trying hard to see things the way you want to but in reality you are wrong. We could go program by program but it's clear that you are
26 ramprat74 : I hope the IAM will be filing an Injunction against the company on Tuesday morning. The collective bargaining agreement between the IAM and United Air
27 gigneil : That's hardly an issue for which an injunction would be granted. NS
28 kl911 : Good, Finally we can just all use UA instead of many people here using UAPM COPM, UA/CO etc etc. Good to see the United brand surviving the merger cha
29 B777UA : when the single operating certificate starts will the Continental web site be gone then also?
30 STT757 : No, there's an article further up the thread that explains the complicated integration of their reservation/websites.
31 Post contains links tpaewr : I'll be frank. I am in Asia and will be here for the rest of the year converting UA over to CO systems. I spend 40+ hour a week working on this. Whic
32 ExL10Mktg : In the highly unlikely event that no one in management sorting out integration issues took note of that situation or did and elected to do nothing ab
33 Sulley : Are you working with RES? I've heard PMUA agents are absolutely thrilled with EZR.
34 gigneil : I'm gonna assume that's sarcasm, since what I've heard is its like stepping back into the 70s. NS
35 tpaewr : You are 100% correct! No, you are confused with those who (ATO) will work in native SHARES for approx 9-12mos, pending the lauch of a new web based s
36 luckyone : Isn't the CO certificate technically the surviving Texas International certificate? The "real" CO certificate was retired in the 80's was it not?
37 ual777uk : Oh pleeeease! If you were sat in 1A are you suggesting the FA did not have any idea you were, dod nopt look at the manifest? So? So? You really need
38 tpaewr : Perhaps he was lying? How should I know. I took him at his word That was a reply to someone else, or do you have dupe handles here? Did I say that it
39 Post contains images Sulley : tpaewr answered for me EZR is the GUI RES agents currently use -- I know several PMUA agents that work for DTWRR and they all love the program. Too b
40 TOMMY767 : I also kind of wonder what it will mean after SOC is achieved. How much longer will the CO name be out there? Well he's been misinformed because the c
41 tpaewr : Effort was put into making FastAir work with SHARES, to make this smoother, but it just wouldn't work. So it will be a not-so-fun year or so, when th
42 MadameConcorde : Sounds like you are non-rev'ing in International F? I thought this wasn't allowed. Now I understand why some of us with SWUs don't get our upgrades.
43 tpaewr : No ma'am. I was flying for Biz. I was booked in C and upgraded at the gate. I haven't NRSA'd on UA since Aug 2001.
44 Sulley : This is also FlyerTalk Myth™ #4,753,348. NRSA *do not* go ahead of revenue pax, SWU's, etc.
45 gigneil : Why would you think that? Of course we can non-rev in international F. NS
46 tpaewr : do we have a "like" button? LOL
47 Post contains images CALTECH : Yes it will, along with most of CO's MX computer programs.Thank the powers that be. Of course the LegacyUnited Techs will have to learn a new system,
48 IAHFLYR : The time is 0600 CST for the SOC on November 30th. CO aircraft which are in active in the ATC system (have departed the gate/ramp) will continue to d
49 BEG2IAH : Is there any way someone can record this last call? BEG2IAH
50 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Okay. You guys have got to making some of this sh** up.
51 mcdu : fastair was very capable and Apollo WOULD be the base system as it is more capable than shares. The deciding issue was that UA no longer owned Apollo
52 gigneil : I honestly think that it would go badly no matter what system was picked. You're talking about a LOT of people being put in VERY unpredictable situati
53 Sulley : Agreed... hopefully people will remember this when profit $haring comes around.
54 m11stephen : SHARES was developed by Eastern Airlines in the 70s and has barely been updated since. It is now 2011, this is inexcusable. It is going to be an abso
55 EA CO AS : Check-in functions, line-entry or not, are far less complex than the change/reissue functions that RES agents have to perform. It's far easier and le
56 m11stephen : It makes our lives easier but it is always embarrassing for us and frustrating for the pax when we say, "We can't do that you are going to have to ca
57 C010T3 : This whole discussion one more reason why moving to Altea would have been much more constructive despite the cost.
58 gigneil : Despite the cost isn't something you can quantify. That cost could have been a billion dollars. NS
59 tpaewr : You are missing the point the FastAir is like an L1011, it is a dead end. The company that created it long gone. SHARES on the other hand will suppor
60 fxra : I think the best time to make these momunmental changes is during the holiday peak travel season when winter weather tends to cause mass IROPS across
61 EA CO AS : Totally understandable, even for ATO agents at carriers with U.S.-based res centers, but nonetheless customers do appreciate the fact that it ultimat
62 United1 : ???? UA is merging certificates on the 30th but I don't believe that they plan on cutting over to SHARES on that date.
63 tpaewr : Well, then you'll be disapointed to learn that we are only prepping now and the change we will miss the holiday season totally and the bulk of the wi
64 tpaewr : Correct SOC, impacts the pilots mostly. But the rest of UA and CO will still be hosted in their respective systems till March.
65 Post contains links and images United1 : So are they still considering SHARES the interim solution or does it look to be the final product? At one point they were looking at switching down t
66 tpaewr : I would not be so foolish as to claim to know the long term. But I think it is safe to say mid-term at least it will be SHARES with CCP by next year
67 JohnClipper : So effective on 30 NOV, the additional small type ("operated by Continental Airlines...") on each CO aircraft in UA titles is removed as well?
68 NorthstarBoy : In terms of the GDS systems, does SOC mean that all the CO space gets zeroed out and everything is sold and ticketed as UA? When does that happen? Any
69 tpaewr : Not till they are hosted in the same system. So March 4 if the date holds.
70 N801NW : After the SHARES conversion will tickets on the new United be on 005 (CO) stock?
71 United1 : Yup it can be at that point it doesn't have to be...however as any aircraft wearing CO titles will need to have a small sticker on it saying "operate
72 Bralo20 : 016 UA I guess
73 m11stephen : I work at a UAX carrier and I had to sell a ticket the other day and that was a complete mess. The last time I ever did that was in CS training over
74 Post contains images United1 : Is SOC still scheduled to happen tomorrow morning? The reason I ask is I'm on UA0599 JFK-SFO which leaves at 0700 Eastern Time...If SOC happens at 060
75 C010T3 : So, has SOC occured???
76 EBGARN : Yes, it has. The previous CO flight EWR - ARN now looks like this: 07:30 New York EWR UA068 UNITED AIRLINES Inc.
77 COEWRNJ : Will bag tags and boarding passes now have the UA code instead of the CO code? Also will flights be announced as UA now?
78 Post contains links CALPSAFltSkeds : Flight Aware shows tons of COA flights today and many have left after 0600 CST. http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/COA
79 CALPSAFltSkeds : Hot off the presses. I just got an e-mail from CO stating SOC has begun. Check out United's Press Release area. "Effective today, air traffic control
80 catiii : From the CO website FAA Issues Single Operating Certificate to United Airlines and Continental Airlines FAA OVERSIGHT OF UNITED AND CONTINENTAL IS COM
81 Post contains links nighthawk : Despite what flight aware may show, there is currently only one aircraft in the sky still operating under the Continental callsign - Flight 86 from S
82 gigneil : Yeah and if you sort Flightaware for United, you'll see all the 737 traffic in the US that's now listed as UAL. NS
83 tozairport : Congratulations on your $12 million dollar payday Jeff. Safety, culture, and employee moral be damned. You were bound and determined to get this done
84 Chicagoflight : Was fun listening to ATC EWR and ATC IAH today with all the ex-CO pilots correcting themselves. "Cont-- uhm United 1186 with you at 11,000.... " I gue
85 C010T3 : It seems that CO86 will be almost 1 hour early. Will it still be the last CO flight to arrive?
86 Post contains links apodino : There was a lot of talk about the Pilots not getting adequate training on the new procedures. I feel the pilots need time in the sim myself. I did com
87 kiwiandrew : Perhaps you could provide a link to the article so that we can read see what it says? When someone refers to an article which says "apparently" XYZ h
88 apodino : There is a link to the article in my post.
89 COflyerBOS : Sad day in Houston. I had my last, very pleasurable experience on CO, last weekend. A 738 charter to Tulsa with The University of Houston band and fan
90 Post contains images gigneil : I promise its still going to feel very much the same when you go to IAH and get aboard that shiny new 787. NS
91 Post contains links and images avek00 : Tears are welling in my eyes as I read this Facebook status update from The Great Leader of the Most Wonderful Continental Airlines, Gordon Bethune: "
92 C010T3 : Continental as an airline is gone. Now, it's just a brand... Can anyone confirm that because CO86 arrived ahead of schedule, CO88 PEK-EWR was CO's las
93 Post contains links and images CALTECH : Long Live The Meatball !
94 Post contains links catiii : Here's the link to the recording: http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index....=dlattach;topic=9615.0;attach=6511
95 Post contains links Blueman87 : it is here http://www.etravelblackboard.us/arti...inental-approved-as-single-airline
96 C010T3 : I'm really glad that someone recorded it. Thank you!
97 United787 : Except for that awful week in September 2001... So one airline with 2 brands...it will be a lot less confusing when it is one brand in a couple of mo
98 ck8msp : I was wondering the same thing but was not sure if Continental was grounded worldwide. Were there still Continental Mike flights or foreign flights?[
99 N766UA : They were still operating overseas even then- Continental Micronesia flights.
100 blueflyer : Speaking of which. Is Continental Micronesia still a distinct entity (renamed United Micronesia?) or is it absorbed into United?
101 BigB : No, late last year actually Dec. 22nd of 2010 they merged both CM and CO operating certs.
102 C010T3 : You mean CS and CO.
103 BigB : Yes, I meant CS and CO, my bad.
104 oflanigan : Any idea why the COA website is still up? Shouldn't that have gone away with the SOC?
105 C010T3 : Because CO will continue to exist as a brand until March.
106 kgaiflyer : Scheduled for March. Takes a while to do right. As it turns out, the best features of both the CO site and the UA site will be incorporated into a co
107 genybustrvlr : When integration or roll-out of new customer facing systems occur there will always be problems on one or both sides of the legacy business regardless
108 oflanigan : So on the Continental website all COA flights will be branded as COA XXX operated by United Airlines?[Edited 2011-12-04 19:44:23]
109 C010T3 : Since they are merging, I don't know if the FAA requires that, but some foreign agencies do. For example, if you look for IAH-GIG, you will see CO129
110 oflanigan : Some stuff says Operated by United while other stuff doesn't? Do the former COA planes still have United titles operated by Continental Airlines on it
111 FL787 : Anyone know when united.com will stop displaying CO coded flights as "operated by Continental"? You would think they'd change this quickly considering
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