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A380 Production Thread Part 11  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 103329 times:

Part 10 of this thread garnered a lot of replies. In some cases the thread takes longer for some users to load and we have therefore started part 11. Please feel free to contribute to the thread:

Part 10 can be found by following this link: A380 Production Thread #10

Enjoy the website!  



When you are doing stuff that nobody has done before, there is no manual – Kevin McCloud (Grand Designs)
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User currently onlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1891 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 103256 times:

May I start with my question from the very end of the last thread?


We knew Thai's first was in FAL, but in the article it is stated that TG "is set to receive" their plane in the 3rd quarter of 2012... Would that be shorter than present-day deliveries? And, wouldn't it be much faster than every other "first-of-kin" delivery up to now?

All prospective, I know...

User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 102993 times:

Sure, because 3rd quarter delivery implies no more than 11 months in production which would be the best result for a first frame. considering the stage of production she is in now, it is more than doable, i would even expect the delivery in august

User currently offlineI380North From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 102771 times:

Sorry for going off topic but speaking of the A380, I shall be in CDG in the last and first week of the year, can I make a short dash to TOU and get a A380 tour? I am not sure about Airbus schedule for the christmas holiday. Any tip is always appreciated.

User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 102585 times:

Quoting I380North (Reply 3):
Sorry for going off topic but speaking of the A380, I shall be in CDG in the last and first week of the year, can I make a short dash to TOU and get a A380 tour? I am not sure about Airbus schedule for the christmas holiday. Any tip is always appreciated.

Here you'll find what you need to know:


I have not been there and don't know anyone directly who has been there, but I've heard that some people are disappointed with the A380 tour since it does not get near enough to the aircraft. I might be in Toulouse next summer and I'll have a try anyway...

User currently onlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 102531 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 1):
We knew Thai's first was in FAL, but in the article it is stated that TG "is set to receive" their plane in the 3rd quarter of 2012... Would that be shorter than present-day deliveries? And, wouldn't it be much faster than every other "first-of-kin" delivery up to now?

While it will be the fastest first frame. it's still doable. The fastest frames, which is the newest EK frames is down to 9 months from last convoy to delivery. While the first TG frame most likely not will beat this, it should be delivered in less than one year from last convoy, which was the "old norm"

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13172 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 102219 times:

There have been three deliveries within the past few days - HL 7615 to KE, VH-OQK to QF and A6-EDR to EK; is Airbus now on track to meet its delivery target for 2011? Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

User currently offliner2rho From Spain, joined Feb 2007, 3446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 101626 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Airbus now on track to meet its delivery target for 2011? Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

We have 22 so far and the official target was 26 IIRC. Achieving 24 should not be a problem, 26 would be a challenge though not impossible. If they achieve 24 that's 6 more than last year and an average of 2 per month (even though not evenly distributed), so certainly showing improvement.

For next year, MSN78 will be the first interesting aircraft to watch out for, as it is the head of version for MAS, let's see how much it needs from assembly start to delivery.

User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 512 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 101555 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 7):
We have 22 so far and the official target was 26 IIRC. Achieving 24 should not be a problem, 26 would be a challenge though not impossible. If they achieve 24 that's 6 more than last year and an average of 2 per month (even though not evenly distributed), so certainly showing improvement.

I believe the official target was 25 and Airbus will likely have 26 deliveries this year.

The increase in deliveries compared to previous years is good news (and very necessary) but importantly it's also the first year in which Airbus has reached it's stated delivery target. This will probably give current and prospective customers more confidence in Airbus' delivery forecast for the coming years.

User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 101420 times:

If you go back to Thread #8 you will find that the official target for 2011 was 30, which was reduced to 26 by the RR engine problems.

So - to meet their stated goal: 26 for the year.

Have a great day,

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 101419 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

I guess you mean 2011.

There are 4 frames which have all 4 been flying after outfitting in XFW. It is therefore not unlikely that all these 4 are to be delivered in 2011, making 26 deliveries in 2011.

These 4 are:

CZ #2 (036)
EK #19 (086)
EK #20 (090)
QF #12 (074)

The QF frame has already been transferred to the delivery centre in TLS.

[Edited 2011-11-30 04:08:15]

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 100899 times:

Airbus to deliver 25 to 27 A380s this year and the same next year as production increases to 3 a month an Airbus executive is quoted as saying and sales of about the same, the article suggests it's JL who is also hinting at adding 150 extra seats by 2020 which I take to be the A389. In which case maybe a launch decision in 5 years time.

So production is increasing but the annual rate is roughly the same, so what's the production rate going up from ? 2.9 to 3 ? Come on Airbus you need to get more through the doors than that.  http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...l-25-to-27-a380s-in-2011-2012.html

User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 512 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 100645 times:

EK #19 (086) was delivered today making it the 23rd delivery of 2011 and CZ #2 (036) was ferried from XFW to TLS in preparation for delivery later this month.

User currently onlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1891 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 100548 times:

Looking forward to N14AZ's next installment...  

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4635 posts, RR: 70
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 100123 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 12):
EK #19 (086) was delivered today

Actually, it seems that it was EK #20 (090) A6-EDT which was delivered, while EK #19 (086) A6-EDS has yet to be delivered.

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 99268 times:

Deliveries so far this year 24 for a total of 64 with EK getting their 19th, MSN090 on Dec 2nd.

Possible deliveries this year include EKs 20th, MSN086 may be the 16th Dec followed by CZ getting their 2nd on Dec 17th and there might even be QA 12th, MSN074 squeezed in before years end. A total of 27 for the year if all goes well, fingers crossed and lets hope for next year 30+ get delivered.

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 3312 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 99065 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 15):
Deliveries so far this year 24

Hmm? If I count them I have only 23 so far, making it a total of 26 airframes in 2011, if MSN 086 (EK), MSN 036 (CZ) and MSN 074 (QF) will be delivered until end of December.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 13):
Looking forward to N14AZ's next installment...

That's nice to hear. I was busy completing a project but will update it now (actually I already updated it yesterday when travelling in the train). The graphic for the production times looks much better now because the last 6 deliveries were all below 12 months, the only exception being MSN 063.

[Edited 2011-12-13 02:55:04]

User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 98891 times:

The convoy schedule for next year is out, with 31 convoys planned.

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User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 98547 times:

wow wow wow.
just look at the sequences 20-21-22 or 23-24-25.
it seems that the production of parts is alright and that they trust themselves.
i'll try to give an estimate of deliveries, feel fry to oppose or correct:
right now, 64 deliveries, likely 3 more this year (EK20, QF12, CZ2).
after that, in various stages of assembling or outfitting, we'll have
EK (7 frames)
LH (2 frames)
AF (2 frames)
CZ (2 frames)
MH (3 frames)
TG (1 frame)
SQ (5 frames)
superduperextrabillionaire airlines (1 frame)
on the grounds of the current assembly and outfitting speed and expecting slight improvement of non-EK frames, in 2012 we should have deliveries for 1 more convoy this year completing the 27th frame of EK (already counted above) and eight convoys of 2012 (the final one being completed on March 27, 2012)
as a result,
23+8=31 deliveries in 2012 on condition that all convoys contain 6 pieces.
now, if only the convoys became larger...
If everything goes normally, 8 more full frames should be convoiyed.
I would expect
EK (3)
MH (2)
TG (2)
KE (1)
and on December 21, 2012 we would have 98 frames in service:
EK 30
SQ 19
QF 12
LH 10
AF 8
KE 6
MH 5
CZ 4
TG 3
private 1

User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1891 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 98485 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 17):
The convoy schedule for next year is out, with 31 convoys planned.

Interesting. Thanks!

Just at first glance, it gives a feeling of acceleration in the last part of the year, with three occurences of three convoys in four weeks from septembre on...

Edit: I took so much time reading and typing that ZKCIF wrote much more than I did... And in a much more detailed way...

[Edited 2011-12-13 11:58:08]

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 3312 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 97944 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 18):
likely 3 more this year (EK20, QF12, CZ2).

QF # 12, VH-OQL left TLS about one hour ago. I was holding my breath because there was a stom over France last night (I am not sure though if TLS was affected as well) but obviously no problem for the delivery.

EK # 20 will leave XFW today as well (did I mention there was a storm over France yesterday which is now heading towards Germany?)

User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 512 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 97286 times:

The final delivery for this year CZ # 2 (MSN036) has left TLS and is currently flying over Belarus.

Together with QF # 12 and EK # 20, both delivered yesterday, that makes it three deliveries in two days and 26 in total for 2011. Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

Airbus plans to deliver at least 30 A380s next year.

I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.  

User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 97260 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

I applaud that they met their promised delivery of 26 this year. It looks like Airbus is finally gaining control of the process. I hope for the best next year.

Have a great day,

User currently offlinePM From Namibia, joined Feb 2005, 7274 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 96941 times:

For those to whom this kind of thing matters (i.e. me and about three others   ), 14 of these 26 had RR and 12 had EA. RR also outsold EA in 2011 in that RR picked up 14 firm orders and EA haven't announced any. Indeed, EA are currently negative for 2011 after the ILFC cancellations.

Of the 30 deliveries planned for 2012, it should work out pretty even between RR and EA.

User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10861 posts, RR: 97
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 96753 times:
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Some interesting information in this link....


Go to the bottom presentation, by Fabrice Bergier, the COO of Airbus.

Slide 4 shows output increasing from about 2 1/2 per month as of October 2011, to 3 1/2 per month by Feb 2013, and quote a "doubling of production" from 2010 to 2013.

This implies 35-36 frames in 2013, on top of the 30 targetted for 2012

Slide 34 shows that airframes being delivered today having an "airframe cost" ony 2/3 of those that were delivered in 2009.


25 Post contains images Stitch : So sounds like Airbus is confident of their new annual production target (while not the original 44, 36 a year should start helping shake some more o
26 notaxonrotax : Not bad: cheaper, quicker and…….lighter!!! Game on! No Tax On Rotax
27 Post contains images KennyK : Any chance Airbus could sneak out a 27th out before years end ? If so, which MSNs could be in the frame ?
28 Post contains images Semaex : Keep in mind, if they did then that would also mean -1 for 2012, which may conclude in them not hitting their targeted 30 but 29. The good publicity
29 Scipio : What makes you assume that the ultimate production target has been revised down? As far as I can tell, the production target for 2013 (36-39, dependi
30 Stitch : Call it personal skepticism, but that being said, I do hope they can ramp to 44 in the near term (they will get there eventually, of course). The mor
31 Post contains images r2rho : 26 targeted, 26 delivered. Great news for Airbus to have met its yearly A380 target for the first time. This sends out a positive message and will hel
32 aircellist : Isn't it also the first time the target is met two weeks before the end of the year, instead of in the very last hours?
33 Post contains images lightsaber : Great news for Airbus well done. Why do I feel like I have a target on my back? Well done RR. EA really hasn't recovered from the loss of the A380F.
34 Post contains images EPA001 : Put me in that camp as well. I have high hopes that if they can continue to increase production nearer to the originally envisioned levels, with the
35 Post contains images wolbo : Given a production target of 30 A380s this could be the delivery list for 2012 (in order of entry into production): MSN076 - SQ #15 MSN054 - CZ #3 MSN
36 Post contains links and images N14AZ : How did you know this! But like always it took a little bit longer. Congratulations to Airbus. Referring to the target value they published at the be
37 aircellist : Yay! Christmas gifts are not always all under the tree! Vielen Danke! I suppose you meant "underpromised" ? Looking at the detail of your list, MSN 0
38 kanban : I am confused by the backlog chart that seems to show negative deliveries.. ??
39 N14AZ : Oops, yes, of course it should be "underpromised". I counted MSN 002 in the 7 airframes currently in the FAL: 6 normal production airframes plus MSN
40 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refit
41 N14AZ : Well, we had this (academic) question before in one of the previous threads. To me the backlog is no. of orders MINUS the number of airframes ordered
42 Post contains images gemuser : Typo? This equals zero and always will as you are subtracting a number (No of orders) from itself (no of airframes ordered) That no of orders = no of
43 wolbo : Thx for the update N14AZ. As usual it's affengeil. Also looking forward to you graph showing the development of the production times. I'm curious to s
44 Post contains images N14AZ : This remains to be seen. I asked on German aviation forums it anybody knows about LH Technik's plans but never got confirmation that MSN 002 will be
45 N14AZ : Aarggggg! I meant no. of orders minus no. of deliveries. I am writing these posts from my iPhone and it's either due to my fat fingers or due to the
46 Post contains images lightsaber : Thanks again for the charts. Looking back, it looks like June 2010 is when the slope changed (ok, perhaps May 2010). You are more generous than I. Fr
47 Post contains links BoeingVista : There is plenty of news on T900 PIP's, EA not so much.. http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation...-fuel-efficient-trent-900-turbofan
48 col : BoeingVista, thanks is an interesting read. It seems that RR are heavily into PIP's more so than GE/PW. Is this because of the more competitive nature
49 Post contains images lightsaber : Pratt/GE need to work on their fuel burn. They have a lead today (0.7%), but that would be eliminated by RR's PIPs. So EA *must* do something or they
50 col : Good point, did not think about that on the 380.
51 Post contains images PM : Wow. Thanks for the good news, Lightsaber. That quite made my day! BTW, has ANYONE heard anything more about QR's choice of engine on the A380? What
52 astuteman : If my memory serves me correctly, EA are already in the middle of a 1% PIP, due to be delivered (to EK at least) in 2012. And the GP7000 already beat
53 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Initially, I didn't want to present it again because it looks very much like the previous version shown in thread no. 10. The data points marked in r
54 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Last I read, "Carcaillet said performance improvement programmes are not in place for either engine, nor is a PIP needed." http://www.flightglobal.co
55 Stitch : The latest one I have is January 2010, but I'll check Airbus' site when I get home. The latest ACAP (May 2011) still has data from June 2010 for both
56 Post contains links Stitch : http://www.airbus.com/support/mainte...h=22935adfac92fcbbd4ba4e1441d13383 The P/R charts look identical to earlier ones: ~6500nm at maximum structural
57 ZKCIF : Dear N14AZ, I am sorry it is likely that something is wrong with SQ registrations in your chart. I believe these should be 9V-SK O-P-Q-R-S.
58 Post contains images lightsaber : Looking at the changelist, it has quite a bit on engine starts (both engines), but I agree, the payload/range haven't changed in the document. I pres
59 BoeingVista : Then they should ask Airbus to hang the TXWB off of the A380 as thats looking like a 6%+ fuel burn improvement, problem solved.
60 N14AZ : They skipped the registration "KO" and MSN 076 is now "KP".
61 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Looking at the A380 takeoff characteristics (page 120 and 121 of reply #56's link as well as page 129/130), I'm amazed at the tires! Take DEN at 5,431
62 aircellist : Great graphs, good news, good spirits, this thread is really turning festive! And it goes with the season... Not even 50 hours before the new year...
63 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Here is the photoproof: http://h9.abload.de/img/dpp_0010brlcg.jpg Source: http://www.aviation-community.de/for...opic.php?f=8&t=9136&p=96463#
64 aircellist : Happened to me, and even twice in the same concert, once!
65 Post contains images lightsaber : Many in the aviation industry skip O as it looks too much like a 0 as well as I as is it really a 1? I'm just speculating. But the letters o and i cr
66 col : I don't think SQ had issues with O, but from memory I believe X is out.
67 Someone83 : MSN092, the 19th and last to SQ has rolled out from FAL in TLS after 14 weeks
68 KennyK : Can anyone give any details of expected deliveries over the next quarter, just so happens I see F-WWSC, MSN-076, SQs 15th is flying over Germany at th
69 Airvan00 : She ended that flight at the TLS delivery centre so it would be a good bet that she will be first for 2012.
70 AngMoh : Probably needed to start SIN-FRA-JFK with A380 services on 15 Jan. This plane with full upper deck J will go probably to LHR route while one with the
71 N14AZ : I am afraid MSN 076 will be the only one delivered in January 2012. MSN 054 (CZ #3) and MSN 098 (EK # 21), the next candidates, are both scheduled fo
72 Post contains links N14AZ : It seems as if MSN 002 has completed the modification works and has been rolled out from FAL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircraf...6620706329/sizes/
73 kaitak : I don't remember Jetair, but I was immediately reminded of UTA when I saw this photo. This is the one for Prince Al Waleed, I think?
74 Post contains links and images N14AZ : View Large View MediumPhoto © Udo K. Haafke You see what I mean? Exactly. Still no information about where the outfitting will take place. Maybe we h
75 Post contains links N14AZ : 9V-SKP, MSN 076 and SQ # 15 has just left TLS: http://www.flightradar24.com/ This A 380 delivery no. 68
76 Someone83 : Some new MSN is now out: MSN123 British Airways 3rd MSN125 Thai Airways 5th MSN129 AIR AUSTRAL 1st MSN130 Korean Air 9th MSN131 Thai Airways 6th MSN13
77 Post contains images jumpjet : Sorry if I'm covering old ground here, forgive me if this is indeed the case. If BA's first A380 is going to be MSN95, when is production due to start
78 Someone83 : Production has started, but not final assembly in TLS. With a planned delivery in Q2 or mid 2013, the convoy with the parts to TLS should take place
79 jumpjet : Many thanks...
80 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Fresh picture from the delivery centre in Hamburg Finkenwerder, where the press conference 2012 is currently takíng place: Source: Twitter EADSpress
81 Post contains images EPA001 : Very nice picture. Thanks for posting. .
82 Post contains links and images N14AZ : You are welcome. For those who go directly to the forum without checking the photo search engine page first (like me for example), member OliverG was
83 Post contains links N14AZ : New target value for the 2012-deliveries stated by John Leahy: Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...12-dismisses-747-8i-threat-367068/ And a
84 packsonflight : "Not on the near-term agenda is the A380-900 program, a stretched version of the aircraft now on the market. Despite occasional customer interest, suc
85 Stitch : I imagine it's more when Airbus will have full production capacity in place and the earliest A380 leases will be expiring and customers will be in th
86 Post contains images EPA001 : That seems very likely to me as well. .
87 Unflug : No, this should not be total program break even, but the time when cost to build + depreciation is less than revenue per frame. Currently cost to bui
88 ferpe : I don't get what you mean with depreciation, do you mean fixed cost for the program spread over the produced frames per year or do you mean the depre
89 Post contains links Daysleeper : This article is a couple of years old now, but it states 2015 would be the program break even point. I'm not sure what production rate they based this
90 Stitch : I point this out only for accuracy purposes, and not as a swipe at the A380, but that is actually production break even, which is when (in very simpl
91 N14AZ : Do you think this wing-cracks-issue will have an influence on Airbus delivery schedule? I cannot imagine that it will not have any influence. It seems
92 Stitch : If all the cracks are due to manufacturing, there might be a slight delay as the supplier and Airbus work out a new manufacturing process, but I woul
93 Post contains images lightsaber : That is how I take it. However, anxillary revenue should be flowing in too... As to program break even... Those are sunk costs. There is no recoverin
94 bmibaby737 : abcdlist has this as G-XLEC as MSN124, forgive me but who's right in this case?
95 someone83 : MSN092, the 19th and final to SQ has begun taxi testing in TLS
96 scouseflyer : Let's hope that it's the last of the 2nd batch of SQ frames with a 3rd to come. Altough I expect now that they'll wait until the A389 becomes avalabl
97 Post contains links N14AZ : Seems as if MSN 002 is back in the hangar, eventually to inspect the wing brackets since as per this article all three Airbus test planes have to be i
98 sutrakhk : Seems CZ #3 will be dlivered soon as some insiders said CZ is expecting to put it in PEK-HKG-PEK from 20 Feb for about 1 month (replacing A321), their
99 Post contains links AngMoh : All 6 inspected SQ planes had cracks. 4 have been repaired and 2 are undergoing repairs. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...ebusinessnews/view/11
100 Semaex : 6 if you believe in the deployment of the LH flagship, which has rumoured around the industry for months and years now.
101 sutrakhk : Actually LH applied to bring A380 to Hong Kong from 2011 summer but I believe LH finally choose Singapore rather than Hong Kong, let's hope it will f
102 Someone83 : MSN093, TG's 2nd, has been confirmed as the new frame in convoy 3/2012. In addition, Qatar har selected EA to power their ordered A380s
103 Post contains images PM : Disappointment but no great surprise is registered in western Japan.
104 Semaex : Look at it from the positive side: If all costumers were to order RR than EA would choose not to provide anymore, causing a monopoly on RRs behalf. W
105 cbrboy : That is a big leap in capacity, to go from an A321 to A388! You said for about one month: is this a temporary measure to gain publicity for China Sou
106 Post contains links sutrakhk : Third A380 will be coming soon. Schedule released from airlineroute.net: AS per 02FEB12 GDS Inventory display, China Southern from 02MAR12 launches A
107 Someone83 : MSN092, SQ's 19th, was transferred to XFW today
108 N14AZ : Just for the records, this was the 85th A 380 to fly. One day earlier, the missing parts for MSN 110 (EK) arrived in TLS, making it the 95th A 380 th
109 N14AZ : 9V-SKR is just approaching Singapore as SQ380, delivery flight from TLS. That's A 380 # 69. Production time for this SQ-bird was considerably lower th
110 SInGAPORE_AIR : How many do SQ have left to go ?
111 sf260 : 3, all to be delivered by Q3 of this year.
112 N14AZ : This delivery was SQ A 380 # 16. They will receive three additional aiframes in 2012: SQ # 17 = MSN 079, in XFW since 2011-10-10 SQ # 18 = MSN 085, i
113 EBGflyer : Looks like they are extending operation with the A388. It was supposed to end March 30, but so far it looks like it will operate on April 12 when I a
114 Someone83 : Seems like MSN096, KE's 6th, is the new frame on convoy 4/2012
115 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Did play around with my new toy and found this message sent from the flightline in TLS. If you compare the position of this unknown A 380 with this pi
116 someone83 : Some updates: TLS: MSN089 (MH #4) either has or is about to start on FAL stage 2 MSN105 (EK #24) has had its first engine run MSN093 (TG #2) tail was
117 ZKCIF : With Kingfisher going...going...almost-gone we start the year with minus 5 orders, it seems
118 someone83 : Recent updates TLS: MSN111 (EK #30): has been confirmed as the new aircraft on convoy 5/2012. The wings and tailplane should be in TLS now, while the
119 r2rho : I was expecting that to happen anytime now, as MSN78 is due soon. Spotters stay alert for Malaysia's first A380, and first new A380 customer of the y
120 someone83 : MSN098 has been delivered to EK
121 r2rho : I'm disappointed by this target. From 2009 to 2010 they ramped up by 8 frames, from 2010 to 2011 by another 8. Now only 2 or 3 more frames in 2012? I
122 Post contains links TeamDA : MSN 093 the second A380 for Thai was noted in body join yesterday in TLS. http://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalairliners/6943499253/
123 wolbo : MSN054 (CZ #3) was delivered yesterday making it the 71st A380 in service. Apparently all CZ A380s are constrained to flying routes within China for n
124 Someone83 : Some updates MSN079 (SQ #17) has been transfered to the TLS delivery center and delivery should take place soon MSN084 (MH #3) had its first engine ru
125 Someone83 : MSN100 TG #3 has been confirmed as the next new aircraft. It's wings and tailplane has arrived in TLS, while the rest will arrive on the next convoy s
126 N14AZ : That's interesting since MSN 100 is a 2013-delivery-airframe (correct me if I am wrong). So with MSN 111 (EK) all aiframes to be delivered this year
127 Someone83 : Could be, but it depends if Airbus are able to further shorten the A380 production time. There has been talk of about 9 months, which should mean MSN
128 petera380 : Slight correction, MSN 096 will be HL7619. HL7616 is a Asiana Cargo B744F.
129 Post contains images aircellist : I've seen yesterday, and I can't recall where, that it takes about 83 business days for a 777 to go from the entry in final assembly to delivery. The
130 HB-IWC : At least Emirates seems to believe so. The airline has previously stated that it expects to have 31 frames in the active fleet by the end of 2012, a
131 Post contains images ZKCIF : Well, if we take it as "twice as big" then 83 business days*2=166 = 233 days including weekends = 8 months without a week. The outfitting is still so
132 HB-IWC : I have seen an Emirates document which indicated that the airline would have 31 operational frames by the end of this year, indicating that msn 112 w
133 Post contains links groobster : Loving this vid of the first MAS 380: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xypzPcv2OAA
134 petera380 : Anyone notice the A380 tail fin standing in the corner at 1:36 into the vid?
135 Semaex : Are you telling me that this is the full MH paintjob? No cheatlines, no other colours? Dissapointing!
136 Post contains links petera380 : No, this is not the full paint job. Check this out: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/us/en/corporate-info/press-room.html Will be unvailed in a couple
137 N14AZ : Yes, I saw it as well. But I thought maybe it's just a mock-up. I would think they should protect it when painting an A 380 next to it.
138 Post contains links and images robffm2 : Or this thread: Malaysia Airlines' New(er) Corporate Livery (by 9MMAR Mar 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)
139 Someone83 : Calendar or financial year? Which for EK are two different things
140 Post contains links ZKCIF : We've got very sad news, it seems. the number of convoys in 2012 is reduced from 31 to 30 http://www.igg.fr/IMG/jpg/IGG_Planni...13mars2012.jpg. Besid
141 Someone83 : Some updates: MSN084 (MH #3) had its first flight and was transfered to XFW yesterday MSN067 and MSN099 (AF #7 and 8) has both stared cabin test fligh
142 Hacku : Does anybody know which frame was carried on convoy #7?
143 someone83 : Still unknown Other updates TLS: MSN108 (EK #27) has rolled out from FAL MSN088 (CZ #4) has started engine runs MSN110 (KE #29) has finished body joi
144 someone83 : TLS: MSN109, EK #28, has rolled out from FAL after 11 week MSN079, SQ #17, has apparently had its customer acceptance flight, and should be delivered
145 Post contains images lightsaber : Nice to see the A380 deliveries going up. Dropping one convoy? I just wanted to thank everyone for their information. Lightsaber
146 Someone83 : After some confusion is seems like convoy 7 and 8 contained the following Convoy 7: Fuselage Pieces MSN100, Tailplane MSN094 ,Wings MSN112 Convoy 8: T
147 Someone83 : Delivered and was transfered to SIN yesterday
148 Post contains links KennyK : Can anyone give an update on what's been happening with recent deliveries and expected deliveries. A usually good source at http://plane.spottingworld
149 Post contains links and images N14AZ : The status for the airframes to be delivered in 2012 is as follows: I applied the current production times (2 weeks body join, 2 1/2 months FAL, 1 1/
150 Post contains images EPA001 : As always thanks for all your work keeping us updated. Indeed let's hope they can find some more improvements in the production time per airframe.
151 kanban : wasn't aware KE had that many .....
152 Post contains images Someone83 : Nice overview Typo....EK vs KE Anyway, seems like MSN106, EK's #25, is being transfered to XFW today
153 r2rho : Zero deliveries in the month of march... disappointing... and perhaps worrying. Likely due to the wing inspection/repair issue, I guess? Hopefully we
154 N14AZ : That's what I think as well. MSN 079 arrived in TLS on March 03rd 2012 and left TLS on April 02nd (transfer of title was in March but I also prefer t
155 Post contains links e195 : From Ba twitter shows msn95 http://tnyr.co/HEd4Ty E195
156 N14AZ : 100th set of A 380 parts convoyed to TLS By now, convoy # 09/2012 should have arrived in TLS (was scheduled from April 05th until April 10th). It cont
157 Post contains links N14AZ : MH #1 has started with the taxiing test after cabin outfitting: http://v2.airplaneupload.de/images-i1896bj4wek.jpg Source: http://www.aviation-communi
158 speedbird217 : Please don't tell me that this is the final livery for MH's A380?!! It is...white. A white whale jet. Disappointing if this should be the actual live
159 Post contains links jumpjets : speedbird you can stop worrying that is only half pained. An illustration of the full colour scheme can be seen at: http://www.flightstory.net/201203
160 speedbird217 : Phew! Thanks for the info. I don't know what to think of the complete livery yet, but it's certainly better than the white one.
161 Someone83 : First flight today
162 N14AZ : FF was cancelled yesterday. MSN 108 appeared with its registration F-WWSI on radar toulouse with the usual flight number AIB01SI but then the signal
163 Post contains links and images Someone83 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/6959746504/in/photostream Looks like a first flight to me However, it ended after only one hour, suggestion som
164 N14AZ : Ah, thanks for correcting me. Seems as if I missed that hour when 108 was flying.
165 Someone83 : MSN099 (AF #8) is out flying today, on what might be its cabin acceptance flight? Not sure if it has overtaken MSN067 (AF #7) or not, or why it seems
166 ebbuk : This from Bloomberg "Airbus May Not Hit 2012 A380 Target, Tribune Says Airbus SAS may fail to reach its A380 delivery target for 2012 as monthly produ
167 flyglobal : Could it be in connection with the wing cracks. I understood, that the permanent solution will be certified Q3 2012. In this connection it could make
168 N14AZ : Yes, these are the influences of solving the wing cracks issue: Airbus has stopped conveying wings to TLS. Convoy no. 8/2012 was the last one transpor
169 ebbuk : Ok makes sense. As always with Airbus, the commitment to get it right remains strong. I can have few complaints
170 Someone83 : Some good news among the delays due to the wings MSN107 (EK #26) is having its first flight today, and as it just passed Frankfurt it is also being fe
171 Post contains images r2rho : It is really a shame that, year after year, the A380 suffers some kind of problem that slows down any ramp up attempt. The wiring issue in the beginni
172 Post contains images lightsaber : I'm always amazed at the fraction of the A380s going out the door to EK. Yes, we all know of their massive order. I simply expected by now faster prod
173 Stitch : I don't expect they'll ever take them, personally, and see them canceling the order for another model from Airbus' portfolio.
174 Post contains links and images N14AZ : In view of the current production constraints I thought it would be helpful to update the production spread sheet. As you can there are only four airf
175 EY460 : Today, AF 7th A380 was delivered. It was MSN99 (F-HPJH), which overtook MSN67.
176 Aircellist : Thanks for a new version of my preferred spreadsheet. Looking forward to the next rendition of the "time per frame" one... Il will get longer... And n
177 lightsaber : Thank you for the charts, always very informative. It sounds like Airbus is having to do a 'standdown' due to the wings. ouch! Lightsaber
178 Stitch : Yes, Airbus is slowing the production rate from 3.7 to 3.2 planes per month. They still intend to deliver 30 frames for 2012.
179 cheeken : I see MSN129 as XX #1, what airline is XX? I tried a search but I couldn't find that code anywhere... I'm also amused by some of the later EK registra
180 PM : It's a plane for Air Austral.
181 scouseflyer : are they still taking this frame as there were rumours of finincial troubles?[Edited 2012-05-03 00:11:48]
182 N14AZ : Excuse me, my mistake. I was offline when updating the spreadsheet and didn't remember Air Austral's code. I wrote XX and wanted to replace it later
183 Post contains links N14AZ : Regarding the wing cracks issue: In the QR thread I said that the "final production solution" will be available from middle of 2012 on. However, I jus
184 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Impressive. New thread on wing crack solution: Airbus Alters A380 Wing Due To Crack Issues (by PlaneInsomniac May 7 2012 in Civil Aviation) Other tha
185 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Had to use an on-line dictionary to find out what that is. Thanks. Today (May 08th 2012) I was able to use a business trip to Northern Germany to tak
186 Someone83 : MSN078, MH's 1st, was ferried to TLS today for its final preparations before delivery
187 robffm2 : I thought the paint job was not yet completed?
188 Post contains images Someone83 : It's not, and from what I understood it will get its final touch in KUL Btw: Does anyone knows what happened to the a380production site/forum? It see
189 Post contains links robffm2 : After some server works they are again online. And I would like to draw some attention to this message: http://a380production.com/please-read/ Dear M
190 Someone83 : After a break, convoy #12 that starts May 16th, will contain a set of wings, meaning dliveries of wings to TLS have restarted
191 Someone83 : Convoy 11/2012 is confirmed to contain the fuselage of MSN120, CZ's 5th. Wings shoul follow on convoy 12. In addition, MSN109, EK's 28th, was transfer
192 something : It's a sticker job, more so than a paintjob. Stickers are only rarely applied at XFW. Many of Etihad's and Saudi's narrow bodies fly home without the
193 Post contains links N14AZ : D-AIMI, LH #9, has just landed in FRA: http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t9010-16052012#49080 The Airbus press conference earlier today included some i
194 Post contains images r2rho : I haven't seen it posted (or missed it), but MSN2 flew in TLS around 2 weeks ago (IIRC, it had its destorage flight back in march). Perhaps an indicat
195 Someone83 : MSN089, MH's 4th, had its first flight and was ferried from TLS to XFW yesterday. Also convoy 13/2012, due to start June 1, will contain a full set fo
196 Post contains images Wolbo : Delivery of the first A380 for Malaysia Airlines must be imminent...
197 Post contains images r2rho : MSN78 has been delivered today to MAS - that makes the 8th operator and 75th A380 delivered!
198 col : Am at the airport for an early flight tomorrow morning to Sing, does anyone know when it arrives. Back Friday so may see it then.
199 Post contains links LH422 : Hooray! Here's the press release from Airbus: http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...-takes-delivery-of-its-first-a380/
200 B738FlyUIA : Wish MAS success with there A380... Maybe somebody will know when they will finish painting it? As the rear is far what the photos look like!
201 someone83 : Some updates: Convoy 13/2012, starting this week, will contain the parts for MSN122, TG's 4th. MSN105, EK's 24th, rolled ouo after paint and outffitin
202 scouseflyer : Excellent, for years it was the "truth according to a.net" that MAS would never receive their A380s. Can't believe that 75 have been delivered alread
203 Post contains links AngMoh : It was reported by FlightGlobal that they will fly it back to Toulouse sometime in June to complete painting. That will be after the initial training
204 B738FlyUIA : Thank you AngMoh for the information!!! A pity they didn't get it done in time "I guess"!!! Well, it's not the first A380 in this case that returned
205 Post contains images lightsaber : Does anyone know which line # will be the first with the new 'wing twist?' Also, is that standard from then on (or after prior wing shipsets are used
206 Post contains images mffoda : Already!... You are definitively, a glass a Glass half FULL kind of guy.
207 r2rho : IIRC it was precisely BA who would be first to get the new wing twist (and +4t MTOW), that would be MSN95. 1st half 2013 was the original plan, but w
208 scouseflyer : IT I think is very, very unlinkely now. VS I think will still happen and it looks like UU will be converting their orders to something else (A330s?)
209 Post contains images lightsaber : Very good. I couldn't remember if there was anything ahead of that. That does put a bit of uncertainty. But sometime next year, we'll have the next v
210 LH422 : And I can't believe we still haven't seen a special livery. The 787 already has more than one flying...
211 someone83 : Yesterday saw the delivery of MSN067, AF's 8th aircraft Other recent developments: MSN093, TG's has had its RTO in TLS so so flight and transfer til X
212 Someone83 : MSN100, TG's #3, has rolled out from FAL in TLS after 13 weeks It also seems like the EK frames are getting delayed, as their getting their wings fixe
213 scouseflyer : Annoying but it does mean that Sept and/or Oct could be record delivery months for the A380
214 r2rho : The delivery rate this year will be all but steady and predictable. Airbus this year has to deal with: - a/c that were already built and ready for de
215 Someone83 : MSN073, LH's 10th, was delivered yesterday as the 77th A380 delivered MSN103, EK's 23rd was transfered to TLS, where it probably will get a wing repai
216 LH422 : Good news! I believe D-AIMJ is named Brüssel (Brussels).
217 Post contains images N14AZ : This will blemish my graphic showing the production times for the EK airframes. I find this interesting. Maybe the other operators will opt to do the
218 scouseflyer : Yes I think, the way that read it was that there was a fix available for already produced wings but there's a lot of wings already "in the system" (i
219 Stitch : And this puts us at how many for the year?
220 kanban : if the field repair requires a week downtime, why does a new plane at the manufacturer require several months?
221 Focker : That makes it 10 for the year AFAIK
222 jumpjets : A little while ago there was a photo of a section of fuselage destined for the first BA A380. Is there any more news on its stage of production?
223 Someone83 : The first aircraft for BA (MSN095) is on its way to TLS and will be transported on Conwoy 15/2012 starting in a week. So body join should be starting
224 Post contains images lightsaber : The issue is the field repairs are taking longer than promise. So EK is making Airbus take care of the details and prove the work can be done faster.
225 Post contains images EPA001 : Correction: higher. For the A380F a much higher MTOW has been tested during the A380 development program then what the BA A380's will be allowed to h
226 Post contains images KennyK : Can anyone give an update on what A380 deliveries have been so far this year and what we might expect over the next 3 months? Usual sources are now dr
227 col : Nice breakdown someone83. Looks like I have more coming my way for more opportunities. TG are pushing the 380 all over the place at present, already s
228 na : I wonder how long it will take until the line-nos. will finally also be chronological right like with the other Airbus models. At the moment the deliv
229 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Most probably Represented graphically, the current status is as follows: Of course Airbus was not able to keep the pace they had achieved at the end
230 Someone83 : don't thank me, but Whalejet at the A380production forum. He's the one behind the work
231 PHX787 : When is it entering service? and where is it flying to?
232 Post contains links LH422 : I like this site for that sort of information: http://a380flights.net/
233 PHX787 : much appreciated! thanks!
234 Post contains images lightsaber : You have a point: Was it tested? The A380F was supposed to have more breaks (wheels? I'm forgetting details and I'm being lazy). There is also a requ
235 AngMoh : Any idea what will happen with MSN-129?
236 Post contains images EPA001 : Good question. I know there was one pair of wings for the A380F fabricated which could lift up to 650 tons. To what extend they were tested, and what
237 Post contains images Stitch : Airbus did perform a takeoff at 596.5t in June of 2006. This would have been 6.5t higher than the MTOW of the A380-800F. During that same month, they
238 Post contains images EPA001 : Thanks for the detailed answer Stitch. It is highly appreciated. .
239 Post contains images N14AZ : Can you - or someone else - enlighten me: what's the story about this wing twist. Is it more twisted or less? Thanks, N14AZ, the only German currentl
240 EPA001 : From Wikipedia:
241 Post contains links Someone83 : MSN087, Thai's first, has rolled out from outfitting, fully painted http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/press...thai-a380-rolls-out-of-paint-shop/ And on S
242 robffm2 : It's only one small picture, but I hoped Thai's livery would be somehow better looking...
243 Post contains links and images N14AZ : The same here - I think that all the colour is behind the wings and almost no colour in the forward section is not very fortunate. Source: Airbus SAS
244 Post contains images EPA001 : I think this bird is looking fantastic in the colours of TG. Nothing unfortunate on it at all imho. .
245 Stitch : This was the A380 I wanted to see, but that lighter shade of purple just doesn't have the same impact as the original shade did.
246 Post contains images jumpjets : The TG colour scheme makes the A380 look a bit short and fat IMHO
247 Post contains links Someone83 : MSN078, MH's 1st, had it re-rollout today at TLS and is now fully painted http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/7440423184/in/photostream In addition
248 Post contains images N14AZ : Waow, thank's for sharing this link. I actually like it. Won't be long until they get a letter from MS's lawyer but that's another story
249 Post contains images PHX787 : Both birds look great and can't wait to see them in the sky
250 ba319-131 : The TG A380 looks great, just as I expected. Still not quite sold on the new MH scheme though, that said, it's a bit different.....
251 na : Exactly what I thought. The metallic purple did look much better. A shame that Thai changed it into Milka chocolate.
252 Post contains images na : Thanks for posting. It looks ok, though I wont be a fan. Why did MAs change from red to blue? I think thats unfortunate, as blue is the camouflage co
253 Post contains images LH422 : I didn't expect MH to add two more colorful vertical stabilizers but I actually like it. A bit like the Super Constellation.
254 OldAeroGuy : It's not the pants.
255 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Looks like the MH 380 was delivered today! View Large View MediumPhoto © OlivierG
256 petera380 : No, it was delivered May 29 without it's stripes. It flew back to TLS to the stripes added.
257 Post contains images jumpjet : It IS short and fat!!!!
258 Post contains images PHX787 : kinda defeats the purpose of delivery, right?
259 Post contains images lightsaber : Thank you. But why isn't the new MTOW 575t? (What regulation have I forgotten...) Although I heard there was margin to 635 with the current break rot
260 astuteman : It is, isn't it? Rgds
261 Stitch : Maximum Taxi Weight is 575t. MTOW is 573t.
262 Post contains images Wolbo : Tail of BA's first A380.
263 jumpjets : at long last! can't wait to see if fixed in place.
264 Post contains images Aircellist : That thing is huge!
265 Post contains images teme82 : Could the reg be G-GLEA ?
266 petera380 : No, it will be G-XLEA
267 PM : I believe it's for eXtra Large European. We can pretend that the 'A' is for Aircraft (extra large European aircraft) but it isn't really. The next wi
268 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread has become quite long and difficult to follow. It will therefore be locked for further contributions. Any posts added after the thread loc
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