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A380 Production Thread Part 11  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 94014 times:
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Part 10 of this thread garnered a lot of replies. In some cases the thread takes longer for some users to load and we have therefore started part 11. Please feel free to contribute to the thread:

Part 10 can be found by following this link: A380 Production Thread #10

Enjoy the website!  

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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 93941 times:

May I start with my question from the very end of the last thread?

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...enters-final-assembly-line-365315/

We knew Thai's first was in FAL, but in the article it is stated that TG "is set to receive" their plane in the 3rd quarter of 2012... Would that be shorter than present-day deliveries? And, wouldn't it be much faster than every other "first-of-kin" delivery up to now?

All prospective, I know...


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 93678 times:

Sure, because 3rd quarter delivery implies no more than 11 months in production which would be the best result for a first frame. considering the stage of production she is in now, it is more than doable, i would even expect the delivery in august

User currently offlineI380North From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 93456 times:

Sorry for going off topic but speaking of the A380, I shall be in CDG in the last and first week of the year, can I make a short dash to TOU and get a A380 tour? I am not sure about Airbus schedule for the christmas holiday. Any tip is always appreciated.

User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 93270 times:

Quoting I380North (Reply 3):
Sorry for going off topic but speaking of the A380, I shall be in CDG in the last and first week of the year, can I make a short dash to TOU and get a A380 tour? I am not sure about Airbus schedule for the christmas holiday. Any tip is always appreciated.

Here you'll find what you need to know:

http://www.taxiway.fr/

I have not been there and don't know anyone directly who has been there, but I've heard that some people are disappointed with the A380 tour since it does not get near enough to the aircraft. I might be in Toulouse next summer and I'll have a try anyway...


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 93216 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 1):
We knew Thai's first was in FAL, but in the article it is stated that TG "is set to receive" their plane in the 3rd quarter of 2012... Would that be shorter than present-day deliveries? And, wouldn't it be much faster than every other "first-of-kin" delivery up to now?

While it will be the fastest first frame. it's still doable. The fastest frames, which is the newest EK frames is down to 9 months from last convoy to delivery. While the first TG frame most likely not will beat this, it should be delivered in less than one year from last convoy, which was the "old norm"


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12515 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 92904 times:

There have been three deliveries within the past few days - HL 7615 to KE, VH-OQK to QF and A6-EDR to EK; is Airbus now on track to meet its delivery target for 2011? Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 92311 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
Airbus now on track to meet its delivery target for 2011? Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

We have 22 so far and the official target was 26 IIRC. Achieving 24 should not be a problem, 26 would be a challenge though not impossible. If they achieve 24 that's 6 more than last year and an average of 2 per month (even though not evenly distributed), so certainly showing improvement.

For next year, MSN78 will be the first interesting aircraft to watch out for, as it is the head of version for MAS, let's see how much it needs from assembly start to delivery.


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 92240 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 7):
We have 22 so far and the official target was 26 IIRC. Achieving 24 should not be a problem, 26 would be a challenge though not impossible. If they achieve 24 that's 6 more than last year and an average of 2 per month (even though not evenly distributed), so certainly showing improvement.

I believe the official target was 25 and Airbus will likely have 26 deliveries this year.

The increase in deliveries compared to previous years is good news (and very necessary) but importantly it's also the first year in which Airbus has reached it's stated delivery target. This will probably give current and prospective customers more confidence in Airbus' delivery forecast for the coming years.


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 92105 times:

If you go back to Thread #8 you will find that the official target for 2011 was 30, which was reduced to 26 by the RR engine problems.

So - to meet their stated goal: 26 for the year.


Have a great day,


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 92104 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
Also, how many are left to be delivered in 2012 (and if possible, for whom?)

I guess you mean 2011.

There are 4 frames which have all 4 been flying after outfitting in XFW. It is therefore not unlikely that all these 4 are to be delivered in 2011, making 26 deliveries in 2011.

These 4 are:

CZ #2 (036)
EK #19 (086)
EK #20 (090)
QF #12 (074)

The QF frame has already been transferred to the delivery centre in TLS.





[Edited 2011-11-30 04:08:15]

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 91584 times:

Airbus to deliver 25 to 27 A380s this year and the same next year as production increases to 3 a month an Airbus executive is quoted as saying and sales of about the same, the article suggests it's JL who is also hinting at adding 150 extra seats by 2020 which I take to be the A389. In which case maybe a launch decision in 5 years time.

So production is increasing but the annual rate is roughly the same, so what's the production rate going up from ? 2.9 to 3 ? Come on Airbus you need to get more through the doors than that.  http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...l-25-to-27-a380s-in-2011-2012.html


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 91330 times:

EK #19 (086) was delivered today making it the 23rd delivery of 2011 and CZ #2 (036) was ferried from XFW to TLS in preparation for delivery later this month.

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 91233 times:

Looking forward to N14AZ's next installment...  

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 90808 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 12):
EK #19 (086) was delivered today

Actually, it seems that it was EK #20 (090) A6-EDT which was delivered, while EK #19 (086) A6-EDS has yet to be delivered.


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 89953 times:

Deliveries so far this year 24 for a total of 64 with EK getting their 19th, MSN090 on Dec 2nd.

Possible deliveries this year include EKs 20th, MSN086 may be the 16th Dec followed by CZ getting their 2nd on Dec 17th and there might even be QA 12th, MSN074 squeezed in before years end. A total of 27 for the year if all goes well, fingers crossed and lets hope for next year 30+ get delivered.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 89750 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 15):
Deliveries so far this year 24

Hmm? If I count them I have only 23 so far, making it a total of 26 airframes in 2011, if MSN 086 (EK), MSN 036 (CZ) and MSN 074 (QF) will be delivered until end of December.

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 13):
Looking forward to N14AZ's next installment...

That's nice to hear. I was busy completing a project but will update it now (actually I already updated it yesterday when travelling in the train). The graphic for the production times looks much better now because the last 6 deliveries were all below 12 months, the only exception being MSN 063.

[Edited 2011-12-13 02:55:04]

User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 89576 times:

The convoy schedule for next year is out, with 31 convoys planned.
http://igg.fr/IMG/jpg/IGG_Planning_2012_DIR_Sud-Ouest.jpg



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User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 89232 times:

wow wow wow.
just look at the sequences 20-21-22 or 23-24-25.
it seems that the production of parts is alright and that they trust themselves.
i'll try to give an estimate of deliveries, feel fry to oppose or correct:
right now, 64 deliveries, likely 3 more this year (EK20, QF12, CZ2).
after that, in various stages of assembling or outfitting, we'll have
EK (7 frames)
LH (2 frames)
AF (2 frames)
CZ (2 frames)
MH (3 frames)
TG (1 frame)
SQ (5 frames)
superduperextrabillionaire airlines (1 frame)
TOTAL:23
on the grounds of the current assembly and outfitting speed and expecting slight improvement of non-EK frames, in 2012 we should have deliveries for 1 more convoy this year completing the 27th frame of EK (already counted above) and eight convoys of 2012 (the final one being completed on March 27, 2012)
as a result,
23+8=31 deliveries in 2012 on condition that all convoys contain 6 pieces.
now, if only the convoys became larger...
If everything goes normally, 8 more full frames should be convoiyed.
I would expect
EK (3)
MH (2)
TG (2)
KE (1)
and on December 21, 2012 we would have 98 frames in service:
EK 30
SQ 19
QF 12
LH 10
AF 8
KE 6
MH 5
CZ 4
TG 3
private 1


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 89170 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 17):
The convoy schedule for next year is out, with 31 convoys planned.
http://igg.fr/IMG/jpg/IGG_Planning_2...t.jpg

Interesting. Thanks!

Just at first glance, it gives a feeling of acceleration in the last part of the year, with three occurences of three convoys in four weeks from septembre on...

Edit: I took so much time reading and typing that ZKCIF wrote much more than I did... And in a much more detailed way...

[Edited 2011-12-13 11:58:08]

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 88629 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 18):
likely 3 more this year (EK20, QF12, CZ2).

QF # 12, VH-OQL left TLS about one hour ago. I was holding my breath because there was a stom over France last night (I am not sure though if TLS was affected as well) but obviously no problem for the delivery.

EK # 20 will leave XFW today as well (did I mention there was a storm over France yesterday which is now heading towards Germany?)


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 87971 times:

The final delivery for this year CZ # 2 (MSN036) has left TLS and is currently flying over Belarus.

Together with QF # 12 and EK # 20, both delivered yesterday, that makes it three deliveries in two days and 26 in total for 2011. Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

Airbus plans to deliver at least 30 A380s next year.

I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.  


User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 87945 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

I applaud that they met their promised delivery of 26 this year. It looks like Airbus is finally gaining control of the process. I hope for the best next year.

Have a great day,


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6937 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 87626 times:

For those to whom this kind of thing matters (i.e. me and about three others   ), 14 of these 26 had RR and 12 had EA. RR also outsold EA in 2011 in that RR picked up 14 firm orders and EA haven't announced any. Indeed, EA are currently negative for 2011 after the ILFC cancellations.

Of the 30 deliveries planned for 2012, it should work out pretty even between RR and EA.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10105 posts, RR: 97
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 87438 times:
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Some interesting information in this link....

http://www.eads.com/eads/int/en/inve...ports/investor-forums/gif2011.html

Go to the bottom presentation, by Fabrice Bergier, the COO of Airbus.

Slide 4 shows output increasing from about 2 1/2 per month as of October 2011, to 3 1/2 per month by Feb 2013, and quote a "doubling of production" from 2010 to 2013.

This implies 35-36 frames in 2013, on top of the 30 targetted for 2012

Slide 34 shows that airframes being delivered today having an "airframe cost" ony 2/3 of those that were delivered in 2009.

Rgds


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 25, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 87681 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
Some interesting information in this link....

So sounds like Airbus is confident of their new annual production target (while not the original 44, 36 a year should start helping shake some more orders from the trees for new customers) and their goal to have production costs per frame below contracted delivery price (or whatever they meant by "break even on a production basis").   


User currently onlinenotaxonrotax From Ecuador, joined Mar 2011, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 87632 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 24):
"airframe cost" ony 2/3 of those that were delivered in 2009.

Not bad: cheaper, quicker and…….lighter!!!

Game on!

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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 88412 times:

Any chance Airbus could sneak out a 27th out before years end ?  

If so, which MSNs could be in the frame ?


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 88094 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 27):
Any chance Airbus could sneak out a 27th out before years end ?

If so, which MSNs could be in the frame ?

Keep in mind, if they did then that would also mean -1 for 2012, which may conclude in them not hitting their targeted 30 but 29. The good publicity of today would be the bad publicity of tomorrow. I doubt they're going to rush any frames before 2012. 26 sounds like a solid number for 2011 and Airbus employees should go into their holidays with a satisfied feeling - keeps the moral up  



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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 898 posts, RR: 10
Reply 29, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 87687 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 25):
So sounds like Airbus is confident of their new annual production target (while not the original 44, 36 a year should start helping shake some more orders from the trees for new customers) and their goal to have production costs per frame below contracted delivery price (or whatever they meant by "break even on a production basis").

What makes you assume that the ultimate production target has been revised down?

As far as I can tell, the production target for 2013 (36-39, depending on the source), is just another step toward reaching full production at a pace of about 45/year. This could be achieved from 2014 or 2015 onward.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 30, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 87611 times:
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Quoting Scipio (Reply 29):
What makes you assume that the ultimate production target has been revised down?

Call it personal skepticism, but that being said, I do hope they can ramp to 44 in the near term (they will get there eventually, of course). The more they can deliver, the more they can sell, IMO.

[Edited 2011-12-18 14:20:32]

User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 87138 times:

26 targeted, 26 delivered. Great news for Airbus to have met its yearly A380 target for the first time. This sends out a positive message and will help create confidence in the A380 program. I like others believe that delivery uncertainties are still holding back additional A380 orders.

30 for 2012, while not a dramatic ramp-up, would confirm progress towards a rate of 2.5 frames per month, followed by 3 per month in 2013, which IMO is a critical number to clear the backlog and open the way for further orders. All certainly very realistic and achievable targets, and numbers that customers can rely on.   


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 86837 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 31):
26 targeted, 26 delivered. Great news for Airbus to have met its yearly A380 target for the first time.

Isn't it also the first time the target is met two weeks before the end of the year, instead of in the very last hours?


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 33, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 86831 times:
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Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
Together with QF # 12 and EK # 20, both delivered yesterday, that makes it three deliveries in two days and 26 in total for 2011. Good progress compared to previous years and the first year they met their delivery schedule.

Great news for Airbus well done.

Quoting PM (Reply 23):
For those to whom this kind of thing matters (i.e. me and about three others ), 14 of these 26 had RR and 12 had EA. RR also outsold EA in 2011 in that RR picked up 14 firm orders and EA haven't announced any.

Why do I feel like I have a target on my back?   Well done RR.    EA really hasn't recovered from the loss of the A380F.   They should have by now have recovered and sold *some* in 2011.   

RR will benefit from the production ramp up as that will allow existing customers (as well as new) to place 'top off' orders. That will mostly benefit RR. At least I have high hopes of a KE 'top off' order. However I suspect many of the RR customers would be 'in line' first.  
Quoting r2rho (Reply 31):
I like others believe that delivery uncertainties are still holding back additional A380 orders.

I am most strongly in that camp. Without 'backlog reduction,' new customers will hesitate, in particular in this financial environment. However, just as important have been the weight reductions.

Now why am I not hearing more on engine PIPs?    I swear my rumor mill has gone into stasis on A380 engines...

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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4800 posts, RR: 40
Reply 34, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 86775 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Quoting r2rho (Reply 31):
I like others believe that delivery uncertainties are still holding back additional A380 orders.

I am most strongly in that camp. Without 'backlog reduction,' new customers will hesitate, in particular in this financial environment. However, just as important have been the weight reductions.


Put me in that camp as well. I have high hopes that if they can continue to increase production nearer to the originally envisioned levels, with the waiting time going down (hopefully significantly), it will trigger new orders for the A380.  .

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Now why am I not hearing more on engine PIPs? I swear my rumor mill has gone into stasis on A380 engines...

That is a question "we" normally would ask you.  


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 86452 times:

Given a production target of 30 A380s this could be the delivery list for 2012 (in order of entry into production):

MSN076 - SQ #15
MSN054 - CZ #3
MSN079 - SQ #16
MSN082 - SQ #17
MSN098 - EK #21
MSN067 - AF #7
MSN099 - AF #8
MSN078 - MH #1 (8th operator)
MSN101 - EK #22
MSN072 - LH #9
MSN073 - LH #10
MSN085 - SQ #18
MSN081 - MH #2
MSN103 - EK #23
MSN092 - SQ #19 (final order delivery)
MSN084 - MH #3
MSN105 - EK #24
MSN087 - TG #1 (9th operator)
MSN088 - CZ #4
MSN106 - EK #25
MSN107 - EK #26
MSN108 - EK #27
MSN089 - MH #4
MSN093 - TG #2
MSN094 - MH #5
MSN096 - KE #6
MSN104 - AF #9
MSN109 - EK #28
MSN110 - EK #29
MSN111 - EK #30

The private A380 for Al-Waleed is also planned for delivery in 2012.


TG #1 on the Final Assembly Line (17th Dec).

[Edited 2011-12-19 14:53:48]

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 36, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 85723 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.

How did you know this!   But like always it took a little bit longer. Congratulations to Airbus. Referring to the target value they published at the beginning of 2011 (not to the later updates during the year) they overpromised by two airframes: 26 instead of 24.



In other news it seems as if Airbus is trying to get rid of their external A 380 production observers by sending one convoy with Emirates fuselage parts after the other and thus making it boring to follow: so far four convoys in a row (MSN 106, MSN 107, MSN 108 and MSN 109) and it could even become worse because they have to convoy MSN 110 and 111 until February 2012 to make sure they can deliver them in 2012.

When updating the backlog figure I realized that 2011 was actually not a good year in terms of sales: 19 orders in gross but considering the cancelation of ILFC it’s just 9 airframes.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 35):
Given a production target of 30 A380s this could be the delivery list for 2012 (in order of entry into production):

Yapp, these airframes should be the ones to be delivered in 2012.

12 of them are already in XFW for cabin outfitting
2 of them are at the flightline in TLS waiting for FF
7 of them are in the FAL (I counted MSN 002)
2 of them are in parts receiving / body join
---------------------------------------------------
23 in different stages of production after convoy

There will be 5 additional convoys until the end of February 2012: 3 in January 2012 and 2 in February 2012.
So assuming that they will achieve production times of 10 months between "all parts convoyed to TLS" and delivery (which they have n o t yet reached, just for the last EK-airframes) then we end up with 28 airframes in 2012. Seems as if Airbus thinks they can reduce the production times even more. From the outside, this new target of "more than 30" looks quit challenging.


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 37, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 85502 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
Quoting wolbo (Reply 21):
I'm sure N14AZ is working on his final update for 2011 as we speak.

How did you know this!

Yay! Christmas gifts are not always all under the tree! Vielen Danke!

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
they overpromised by two airframes: 26 instead of 24.

I suppose you meant "underpromised" ?

Looking at the detail of your list, MSN 002 has to be included, for the planned deliveries to reach 30. But then, from speedygonzales' post, it was obvious that a speeding up of convoys is in the making... Must mean there will also be a speeding up of everything else?


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3620 posts, RR: 27
Reply 38, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 85443 times:
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I am confused by the backlog chart that seems to show negative deliveries.. ??

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 39, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 85447 times:

Quoting aircellist (Reply 37):
I suppose you meant "underpromised" ?

Oops, yes, of course it should be "underpromised".

Quoting aircellist (Reply 37):
/Looking at the detail of your list, MSN 002 has to be included, for the planned deliveries to reach 30.

I counted MSN 002 in the 7 airframes currently in the FAL: 6 normal production airframes plus MSN 002, whIch by the way has been seen outside the FAL this month.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 40, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 85473 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 18):
superduperextrabillionaire airlines (1 frame)

I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refitted as his own "flying palace" by Lufthansa Technik.

Any idea when he will have his Kingdom Force One delivered?
His Kingdom KR5 mega-yacht (ex Khassogghi's) is moored in Antibes year round. Now he will have his own A380 to go with it. I wonder what registration number it will have.

How about Roman Abramovich's "Bourkhan" personal A380? When is the second superduperextrabillionaire private A380 going to be delivered?

    



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User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 41, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 85273 times:



Quoting kanban (Reply 38):
I am confused by the backlog chart that seems to show negative deliveries.. ??

Well, we had this (academic) question before in one of the previous threads. To me the backlog is no. of orders MINUS the number of airframes ordered. That's why I prefer to show the deliveries negative (for presenting the current backlog only, of course).

[Edited 2011-12-28 13:34:14]

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 85221 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 41):
To me the backlog is no. of orders MINUS the number of airframes ordered.

Typo? This equals zero and always will as you are subtracting a number (No of orders) from itself (no of airframes ordered)  
That no of orders = no of airframes ordered, as we are talking about airframe orders, is a given.

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User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 85168 times:

Thx for the update N14AZ. As usual it's affengeil.

Also looking forward to you graph showing the development of the production times. I'm curious to see how much the production times have gone down and where the biggest gains are being made. Is it still mainly in production at TLS (convoy > roll-out) or is XLW (FF > delivery) now also contributing? XLW will certainly have to speed up if they want to increase production/deliveries to 30 in 2012.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refitted as his own "flying palace" by Lufthansa Technik.

Any idea when he will have his Kingdom Force One delivered?

Delivery excluding the outfitting by Lufthansa should take place in H1 2012.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
How about Roman Abramovich's "Bourkhan" personal A380? When is the second superduperextrabillionaire private A380 going to be delivered?

He seems like the type of guy who would be able and willing to buy an A380 private jet given the size of his other toys. I'm sure there will be an order for a 2nd private A380 at some stage. There are quite a few Russian billionaires nowadays and some must be itching to spend their dubiously gained rubels on something other than a (premier league) football club.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 44, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 85208 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
[I suppose you are talking about Prince al Walid bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. He bought one of the early machines if my memory is right, having it refitted as his own "flying palace" by Lufthansa Technik.

This remains to be seen. I asked on German aviation forums it anybody knows about LH Technik's plans but never got confirmation that MSN 002 will be transferred to Hamburg. I find it hard to believe that an A 380 will occupy an outfitting hangar in Hamburg and nobody knows about it (unfortunately, the Prince doesn't discuss his plans with me in due time   ). So eventually LHT did not get this job. A.netters from Switzerland (Jet Aviation) or Texas (forgot the name of that outfitting company in Waco (?)): do you know more?

Regarding delivery (did u actually read the posts before?): fIrst it was even scheduled for delivery (to the outfitting company) in 2011 but that's history now. MSN 002 has been spotted with all engines installed and neutralized AB-cls. so delivery should be soon in 2012.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 45, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 85157 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 42):

Typo? This equals zero and always will as you are subtracting a number

Aarggggg! I meant no. of orders minus no. of deliveries. I am writing these posts from my iPhone and it's either due to my fat fingers or due to the cheap bottle of red wine I just bought at the local discounter (so my backlog for red wine is currently zero but I am intending to place a follow-up order tomorrow) or maybe both that I made this typo.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 46, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 84897 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
Yapp, these airframes should be the ones to be delivered in 2012.

Thanks again for the charts. Looking back, it looks like June 2010 is when the slope changed (ok, perhaps May 2010).

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 36):
then we end up with 28 airframes in 2012. Seems as if Airbus thinks they can reduce the production times even more. From the outside, this new target of "more than 30" looks quit challenging.

You are more generous than I. From the convoy rate, I see 26 deliveries in 2012.   I had hopes for more...

Quoting wolbo (Reply 35):
MSN109 - EK #28
MSN110 - EK #29
MSN111 - EK #30

Any way its sliced, EK will end 2012 with about one year's worth of airframes in their fleet.


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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 47, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 84921 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Now why am I not hearing more on engine PIPs? I swear my rumor mill has gone into stasis on A380 engines...

There is plenty of news on T900 PIP's, EA not so much..

Quote:
Rolls-Royce has introduced the first of a two-phase performance improvement for the Trent 900 engines that power the Airbus A380 airliner. Turbofans now being delivered to A380 operators have a one-percent improvement in specific fuel consumption compared with the initial units. Second-phase improvements that are due to enter service during 2013 will deliver a further 0.8-percent reduction in fuel burn.
http://www.ainonline.com/?q=aviation...-fuel-efficient-trent-900-turbofan



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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 48, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 84854 times:

BoeingVista, thanks is an interesting read. It seems that RR are heavily into PIP's more so than GE/PW. Is this because of the more competitive nature of the frames they are mounted on (330/380/787). GE position on the 747-8 seemed very aggressive to the customers with regards to missing spec and PIP cost. The 77W is on its own and doing well, so GE do not need to take action. Just some thoughts.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 49, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 84762 times:
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Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 47):
There is plenty of news on T900 PIP's, EA not so much..

  

Pratt/GE need to work on their fuel burn. They have a lead today (0.7%), but that would be eliminated by RR's PIPs. So EA *must* do something or they will be steamrolled.

Quoting col (Reply 48):
It seems that RR are heavily into PIP's more so than GE/PW.

It is much easier for one company to do the ROI than two companies to agree. I speculate that is why Pratt bought out RR from IAE.

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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 50, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 84592 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 49):
It is much easier for one company to do the ROI than two companies to agree. I speculate that is why Pratt bought out RR from IAE.

Good point, did not think about that on the 380.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6937 posts, RR: 63
Reply 51, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 84607 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 49):
Pratt/GE need to work on their fuel burn. They have a lead today (0.7%), but that would be eliminated by RR's PIPs. So EA *must* do something or they will be steamrolled.

Wow. Thanks for the good news, Lightsaber. That quite made my day!   

BTW, has ANYONE heard anything more about QR's choice of engine on the A380? What are they waiting for?


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10105 posts, RR: 97
Reply 52, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 84618 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 49):
Pratt/GE need to work on their fuel burn. They have a lead today (0.7%), but that would be eliminated by RR's PIPs. So EA *must* do something or they will be steamrolled.

If my memory serves me correctly, EA are already in the middle of a 1% PIP, due to be delivered (to EK at least) in 2012. And the GP7000 already beats the "red book" by 1%

Ref. Tim Clarks comments re "2012 frames" being able to do DXB-SFO with "virtally a full payload" a couple of years ago..

Rgds


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 53, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 83971 times:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 43):
Also looking forward to you graph showing the development of the production times. I'm curious to see how much the production times have gone down and where the biggest gains are being made.

Initially, I didn't want to present it again because it looks very much like the previous version shown in thread no. 10.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6594799421_560d1b8d88_b.jpg

The data points marked in red are the latest five EK airframes. It almost looks as if they are trying to pull the line down to below 12 months but everytime there will be another airframe (in this case QF, SQ and CZ) and lifting the average up again.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 43):
Is it still mainly in production at TLS (convoy > roll-out) or is XLW (FF > delivery) now also contributing?

I am afraid to say it's still the same: the blue line representing the works in TLS is stil going down whereas I cannot see any change for the red line representing the works in XFW. Of course there were the RR and Kioto problems, resulting in very long times for the SQ birds but even for the EK airframes mentioned above the outfitting time seems to be 6 months in average.

Also, the next airframe to be delivered, doesn't indicate a change: MSN 076 for SQ had its FF at the end of June 2011.

Quoting wolbo (Reply 43):
As usual it's affengeil.

   Could you please use official aviation terminology!  

In other news: MSN 076, SQ # 15, made its first test flight after cabin outfitting today and will be transferred to TLS for delivery soon.

[Edited 2011-12-29 09:16:43]

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 54, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 83921 times:
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Quoting astuteman (Reply 52):
If my memory serves me correctly, EA are already in the middle of a 1% PIP, due to be delivered (to EK at least) in 2012. And the GP7000 already beats the "red book" by 1%

Last I read, "Carcaillet said performance improvement programmes are not in place for either engine, nor is a PIP needed."
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ther-50-pounds-from-gp7200-358619/

Quoting astuteman (Reply 52):
Ref. Tim Clarks comments re "2012 frames" being able to do DXB-SFO with "virtally a full payload" a couple of years ago..

You mean this thread:
EK Plans To Use A380 To LAX/SFO? (by Ryu2 Dec 23 2008 in Civil Aviation)

The issue isn't the weight. That has come off nicely and seems to be 'about on plan.' The issue I see is that the fuel burn reduction seems less than expected. Hence my comments on the PIPs.

One change in my opinion since that thread: I no longer believe EK will offer another A388 seating configuration for ULH. When it happens, they'll fly a huge addition of Y seats.

Quoting PM (Reply 51):
Wow. Thanks for the good news, Lightsaber. That quite made my day!

I'm sure it made your day!   Now why won't EA announce a PIP flight test program to make my day?!?

Quoting PM (Reply 51):
BTW, has ANYONE heard anything more about QR's choice of engine on the A380? What are they waiting for?

Engine PIPs?    I don't know.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 52):
And the GP7000 already beats the "red book" by 1%

Which beats RR by 0.7%.   Note: I'm not sure which mission length. Shorter missions make the trent look better on fuel burn. Does anyone know the current T900 high thrust cycle life?

Does anyone have a link to an updated A380 payload/range chart? while assumptions can be made, I'd like to see the latest changes with the 'minor' aerodynamic improvements. Heck, does anyone have a link to the 748I payload/range chart?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 55, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 83883 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 54):
Does anyone have a link to an updated A380 payload/range chart?

The latest one I have is January 2010, but I'll check Airbus' site when I get home.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 54):
Heck, does anyone have a link to the 748I payload/range chart?

The latest ACAP (May 2011) still has data from June 2010 for both the Intercontinental and the Freighter.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 56, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 83441 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 54):
Does anyone have a link to an updated A380 payload/range chart?
http://www.airbus.com/support/mainte...h=22935adfac92fcbbd4ba4e1441d13383

The P/R charts look identical to earlier ones: ~6500nm at maximum structural payload and 8000nm at maximum passenger payload.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 83421 times:

Dear N14AZ,
I am sorry it is likely that something is wrong with SQ registrations in your chart. I believe these should be 9V-SK O-P-Q-R-S.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 58, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 83381 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 56):
The P/R charts look identical to earlier ones:

Looking at the changelist, it has quite a bit on engine starts (both engines), but I agree, the payload/range haven't changed in the document. I presume they are being changed for individual airframes based on their weight. Bummer. Wait, that leaves room for discussion!   

I see 8500nm (DXB-LAX) is still ~42t payload. With EK's heavy fittings, I would discount another 3t or 39t payload. If we assume a 5t weight reduction (goal was 6t), that would increase to 44t to 45t. With the 77W flying ~335 passengers, the A388 could fly perhaps 400 (with some cargo) or 420 to 440 sans cargo. Ugh... a 2% fuel burn reduction would be huge! It would bring that up to a nearly full EK A388 DXB-LAX (sans cargo, a la the 77W).

However, that is for LAX. The 2012 discussion was DXB-SFO, where we should be about there. Perhaps that is why EK is accepting so many A380s at the end of 2012?    It takes 2.5 for each North American destination...

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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 59, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 83278 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 58):
Ugh... a 2% fuel burn reduction would be huge! It would bring that up to a nearly full EK A388 DXB-LAX (sans cargo, a la the 77W).

Then they should ask Airbus to hang the TXWB off of the A380 as thats looking like a 6%+ fuel burn improvement, problem solved.



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User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 60, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 83247 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 57):
Dear N14AZ,
I am sorry it is likely that something is wrong with SQ registrations in your chart. I believe these should be 9V-SK O-P-Q-R-S.

They skipped the registration "KO" and MSN 076 is now "KP".


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 61, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 83333 times:
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Looking at the A380 takeoff characteristics (page 120 and 121 of reply #56's link as well as page 129/130), I'm amazed at the tires!

Take DEN at 5,431 ft altitude and a 4,877m long runway... Page 130 shows ~590t MTOW on a +15C day!   
Umm... Last I knew, 573t (some sources 575t) is the 2012/2013 A388 MTOW (IIRC, BA ordered that type). Have I missed any further MTOW certification or upgrades?

I recall flight testing to 600t (575t RTO), one of the better A380 discussions on a.net.   
Airbus A380 At 600 Tons Mtow Flight Test (by queb Apr 2 2011 in Civil Aviation)

However, per that discussion, the current 16 breaking units are limited to 575t. (573t?)

Thus, with the weight decrease *and* a small MTOW increase... We start seeing the 2013 A388s flying DXB-SFO and possibly LAX!   

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 59):
Then they should ask Airbus to hang the TXWB off of the A380 as thats looking like a 6%+ fuel burn improvement, problem solved.

But that is to give the A389 TPAC range.   

Just a question of which length of A389...   (Hint: I favor Udvar-Hazy's proposals).


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User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 62, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 83206 times:

Great graphs, good news, good spirits, this thread is really turning festive! And it goes with the season...

Not even 50 hours before the new year... Time to whish everyone a happy new year, I believe.

Back to topic, about the underpromising: in fact, Airbus caught up with last year's belated deliveries... Which would mean that the "complete sequence" (straight from convoy to delivery) tally for 2012 would be 29 planes (discounting 002, which has been in the sequence much longer), up from 24 "really" planned for 2011. An output rise of about half a plane per month...

N14AZ, MSN 002 will hugely spoil your delivery time graph!


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 63, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 83183 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 60):
Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 57):Dear N14AZ,
I am sorry it is likely that something is wrong with SQ registrations in your chart. I believe these should be 9V-SK O-P-Q-R-S.
They skipped the registration "KO" and MSN 076 is now "KP".

Here is the photoproof: http://h9.abload.de/img/dpp_0010brlcg.jpg
Source: http://www.aviation-community.de/for...opic.php?f=8&t=9136&p=96463#p96463
Copyright: Sören

Does anybody know the reason why they changed it from "KO" to "KP" (initially it had KO written on nose landing gear door but it was replaced). Is it simply that they don't like to fly a plane around with K.O. like    or is it rather because it can be mistaken with K-Zero?

Quoting aircellist (Reply 62):
about the underpromising: in fact, Airbus caught up with last year's belated deliveries...

That's actually true and something often forgotten. 2011 inherited from 2010 MSN 055 and 050, both delivered in January 2011.

[

Quoting aircellist (Reply 62):
N14AZ, MSN 002 will hugely spoil your delivery time graph!

   So I will make a separate grapic for the VVIP jets.

Quoting aircellist (Reply 62):
Time to whish everyone a happy new year

The same to you, have always a fine tuned cello, and never ever a torn string during a concert (as once happened to me...)


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 82539 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 63):
The same to you, have always a fine tuned cello, and never ever a torn string during a concert (as once happened to me...)

Happened to me, and even twice in the same concert, once!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 65, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 82465 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 63):
Does anybody know the reason why they changed it from "KO" to "KP"

Many in the aviation industry skip O as it looks too much like a 0 as well as I as is it really a 1? I'm just speculating. But the letters o and i create confusion. I wish it was an industry standard... but there always seems to be someone who likes creating the confusion by using those letters in a registration.

Quoting aircellist (Reply 62):
N14AZ, MSN 002 will hugely spoil your delivery time graph!

   At a 2.5/month delivery rate, MSN 002 would spike the graph by 18 months or almost 4 months on the moving average.

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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 66, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 82016 times:

I don't think SQ had issues with O, but from memory I believe X is out.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 67, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 81170 times:

MSN092, the 19th and last to SQ has rolled out from FAL in TLS after 14 weeks

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 80348 times:

Can anyone give any details of expected deliveries over the next quarter, just so happens I see F-WWSC, MSN-076, SQs 15th is flying over Germany at the moment on a test flight and she must be due delivery soon, the first of 2012 ?

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 79709 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 68):
Can anyone give any details of expected deliveries over the next quarter, just so happens I see F-WWSC, MSN-076, SQs 15th is flying over Germany at the moment on a test flight and she must be due delivery soon, the first of 2012 ?

She ended that flight at the TLS delivery centre so it would be a good bet that she will be first for 2012.


User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 79710 times:

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 69):
She ended that flight at the TLS delivery centre so it would be a good bet that she will be first for 2012.

Probably needed to start SIN-FRA-JFK with A380 services on 15 Jan. This plane with full upper deck J will go probably to LHR route while one with the mix J/Y on upper deck will move from the LHR route to the JFK route.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 71, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 79093 times:

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 69):
She ended that flight at the TLS delivery centre so it would be a good bet that she will be first for 2012.

I am afraid MSN 076 will be the only one delivered in January 2012. MSN 054 (CZ #3) and MSN 098 (EK # 21), the next candidates, are both scheduled for delivery in February 2012. Let's hope they will deliver an additional airframe in February so that they will keep the current rate of 2 A 380s per month in average.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 72, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 78601 times:

It seems as if MSN 002 has completed the modification works and has been rolled out from FAL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircraf...6620706329/sizes/l/in/photostream/

The neutralized colours remind me about UTA and Jetair (a small and short-lived operator from Germany).


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12515 posts, RR: 35
Reply 73, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 78157 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 72):
The neutralized colours remind me about UTA and Jetair (a small and short-lived operator from Germany).

I don't remember Jetair, but I was immediately reminded of UTA when I saw this photo. This is the one for Prince Al Waleed, I think?


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 74, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 78195 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 73):
I don't remember Jetair

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You see what I mean?  
Quoting kaitak (Reply 73):
This is the one for Prince Al Waleed, I think?

Exactly. Still no information about where the outfitting will take place. Maybe we have to wait until the ferry flight. My feeling is that it will be either going to be LH Technik in HAM or the ferry flight will be considerably shorter and will end in Basle at Jet Aviation. If I remember correctly they have one outfitting hangar suitable for A 380s.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 75, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 77533 times:

9V-SKP, MSN 076 and SQ # 15 has just left TLS: http://www.flightradar24.com/

This A 380 delivery no. 68


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 76, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 77625 times:

Some new MSN is now out:

MSN123 British Airways 3rd
MSN125 Thai Airways 5th
MSN129 AIR AUSTRAL 1st
MSN130 Korean Air 9th
MSN131 Thai Airways 6th
MSN133 Emirates
MSN134 Emirates
MSN135 Emirates
MSN136 Emirates
MSN137 QATAR AIRWAYS 1st A7-AKA
MSN138 Emirates
MSN139 Emirates
MSN140 Emirates
MSN141 Emirates
MSN142 Emirates
MSN143 Qatar Airways 2nd
MSN144 Emirates
MSN145 Emirates
MSN146 Qatar Airways 3rd
MSN147 British Airways 4th
MSN148 Lufthansa 12th


User currently onlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 78019 times:

Sorry if I'm covering old ground here, forgive me if this is indeed the case.

If BA's first A380 is going to be MSN95, when is production due to start and when is delivery planned? Also I believe that VS has deferred their order and that few believe it will ever happen. Is this still the case?   


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 77967 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 77):
If BA's first A380 is going to be MSN95, when is production due to start and when is delivery planned?

Production has started, but not final assembly in TLS. With a planned delivery in Q2 or mid 2013, the convoy with the parts to TLS should take place during summer 2012

Btw: Airbus does not build they planes in Chronological order basen on MSN. I.e MSN109 is now starting to get assembled in TLS, while the parts for MSN091 won't arrive until late 2012


User currently onlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 77848 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 78):
Production has started, but not final assembly in TLS. With a planned delivery in Q2 or mid 2013, the convoy with the parts to TLS should take place during summer 2012

Many thanks...


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 80, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 77205 times:

Fresh picture from the delivery centre in Hamburg Finkenwerder, where the press conference 2012 is currently takíng place:

http://p.twimg.com/AjWIoz1CAAENpRX.jpg:large
Source: Twitter EADSpress

MSN 098 (EK # 21) and MSN 082 (SQ # 16).


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4800 posts, RR: 40
Reply 81, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 76794 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 80):
Fresh picture from the delivery centre in Hamburg Finkenwerder, where the press conference 2012 is currently takíng place:

Very nice picture. Thanks for posting.  .


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 82, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 76509 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 81):
Very nice picture. Thanks for posting.

You are welcome.

For those who go directly to the forum without checking the photo search engine page first (like me for example), member OliverG was so kind to upload this picture showing MSN 002 in TLS.


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Note: the MH bird in the background is MH # 2 (MSN 081), which had its FF today and is passing Paris on his way to XFW as I am writing these lines.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 83, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 75873 times:

New target value for the 2012-deliveries stated by John Leahy:

Quote:
Last year, Airbus delivered 26 of the double-deckers, and is expected to deliver "28 or 29" in 2012, said Leahy.

Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...12-dismisses-747-8i-threat-367068/

And as a matter of fact, this figure makes more sense if you review the number of airframes in the various production phases and the planned convoys:

1 airframe delivered
13 airframes in XFW for cabin outfitting and painting
3 airframes at the flightline in TLS waiting for FF and transfer to XFW
6 in the FAL
1 in body join
1 in parts receiving (MSN 089, convoy arrives in TLS today with convoy 2/2012)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
25 airframes with good chances to be delivered in 2012, although the average time between convoy completed and delivery has not yet reached an average value of 12 months or less, meaning if this time doesn't change it will be tough to deliver the airframes convoyed in January 2012 until the end of this year.

So obviously Airbus is planning to deliver the 3 or 4 additional airframes, which will be transported to TLS with the next convoys:
26: Convoy 3/2012 arriving in TLS on Febr. 01st
27: Convoy 4/2012 arriving in TLS on Febr.14th
28: Convoy 5/2012 arriving in TLS on Febr.23rd
29: Convoy 6/2012 arriving in TLS on Mar. 07th

and is planning to deliver these airframes with a production time (between convoy completed and delivery) of 9 months (for delivery no. 29 of 2012).

So even in 2012 it will be interesting to follow the production and how they will achieve this new target.


User currently offlinepacksonflight From Iceland, joined Jan 2010, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 75152 times:

"Not on the near-term agenda is the A380-900 program, a stretched version of the aircraft now on the market. Despite occasional customer interest, such a project would not likely emerge until the second half of the decade, says Airbus CEO Tom Enders. The focus now is on ramping up production. Profit-delivering aircraft will go to customers starting in 2015."

Intreresting comment from Enders in AWST. Is this the date when the program brakes even or what?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 85, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 75081 times:
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Quoting packsonflight (Reply 84):
Intreresting comment from Enders in AWST. Is this the date when the program brakes even or what?

I imagine it's more when Airbus will have full production capacity in place and the earliest A380 leases will be expiring and customers will be in the market for replacement frames.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4800 posts, RR: 40
Reply 86, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 75049 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 85):
I imagine it's more when Airbus will have full production capacity in place and the earliest A380 leases will be expiring and customers will be in the market for replacement frames.

That seems very likely to me as well.  .


User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 87, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 74997 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 84):
Intreresting comment from Enders in AWST. Is this the date when the program brakes even or what?

No, this should not be total program break even, but the time when cost to build + depreciation is less than revenue per frame. Currently cost to build + depreciation is higher than the revenue on a per frame base, thus the frames delivered do not contribute a profit. Nevertheless each frame delivered generates a positive cashflow.

Total program brake even will be later, when there is nothing left to depreciate.


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2804 posts, RR: 59
Reply 88, posted (2 years 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 74719 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 87):
when cost to build + depreciation is less than revenue per frame

I don't get what you mean with depreciation, do you mean fixed cost for the program spread over the produced frames per year or do you mean the depreciation of the tooling investment? In the later case, do you count the fixed cost in the variable cost ie the per unit production cost like with activity based accounting?



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 74205 times:

Quoting packsonflight (Reply 84):
Intreresting comment from Enders in AWST. Is this the date when the program brakes even or what
This article is a couple of years old now, but it states 2015 would be the program break even point. I'm not sure what production rate they based this prediction on, but its safe to assume that they knew at the time that the ramp up wouldn't be anywhere near what was originally planed. So yeah, i'd say this is when the whole project starts to make money.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 90, posted (2 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 74085 times:
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Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 89):
This article is a couple of years old now, but it states 2015 would be the program break even point.

I point this out only for accuracy purposes, and not as a swipe at the A380, but that is actually production break even, which is when (in very simplistic terms) the cost of building and delivering an A380 to the customer matches the revenue from that delivery.

It is not program break-even, where Airbus has recovered the eleven figures worth of Euro they have spent to design, develop, launch, build, test and move into production. Airbus' original guidance back in the very early 2000's was indeed about 250 frames for program break-even, but their last guidance was north of 450 and that was years ago.

I do agree with you that the whole project should start to be positive at that time and it looks like Airbus is now able to maintain a steady three-deliveries a month, which should shake more orders from the trees (and has, in the case of HX).

[Edited 2012-01-21 06:36:45]

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 91, posted (2 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 73449 times:

Do you think this wing-cracks-issue will have an influence on Airbus delivery schedule?

I cannot imagine that it will not have any influence. It seems as if Airbus knew about this problem already for a while (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/21/how-airbus-found-the-wing-cracks-in-the-a380-and-applied-the-lessons-of-50-years-of-airliner-engineering/ ) so eventually they already changed what had to be changed for the production of the wings. However, customers might insist on additional inspections for those A 380s already built (MSN 002 comes to my mind). Any ideas?

In other news, today in the morning MSN 092 (SQ # 19 and final airframe of their second order) sent some radar signals from TLS so they are obviously preparing her for FF (rollout from the FAL was early January 2012).


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31097 posts, RR: 85
Reply 92, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 73036 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 91):
Do you think this wing-cracks-issue will have an influence on Airbus delivery schedule?

If all the cracks are due to manufacturing, there might be a slight delay as the supplier and Airbus work out a new manufacturing process, but I would not expect it to be anything extensive. Months, at most, and Airbus could adjust production to still meet targets.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 93, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 72764 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 90):
I point this out only for accuracy purposes, and not as a swipe at the A380, but that is actually production break even, which is when (in very simplistic terms) the cost of building and delivering an A380 to the customer matches the revenue from that delivery.

That is how I take it. However, anxillary revenue should be flowing in too... As to program break even...    Those are sunk costs. There is no recovering that money. Airbus needs to maximize profit off what cards they have in hand.

The major issue with the A380 remains the production rate/costs. I believe there will be a virtuous cycle once production goes higher (sorry, but 28 or 29 a year isn't enough). I believe that Airbus needs to be producing A388s at 35 to 45 frames/year ASAP.

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User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 72739 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 76):
MSN123 British Airways 3rd

abcdlist has this as G-XLEC as MSN124, forgive me but who's right in this case?


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 72169 times:

MSN092, the 19th and final to SQ has begun taxi testing in TLS

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 96, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 72164 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 95):
MSN092, the 19th and final to SQ has begun taxi testing in TLS

Let's hope that it's the last of the 2nd batch of SQ frames with a 3rd to come. Altough I expect now that they'll wait until the A389 becomes avalable before ordering again.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 97, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 71482 times:

Seems as if MSN 002 is back in the hangar, eventually to inspect the wing brackets since as per this article all three Airbus test planes have to be inspected:

Quote:
Die restlich zwölf Riesenvögel müssen innerhalb der nächsten sechs Wochen unter die Lupe genommen werden. "Die dringendsten Inspektionen betreffen sechs Maschinen von Singapore Airlines und zwei von Emirates", sagte er. Die restlichen Flugzeuge gehören mit der Ausnahme eines A380 des Air France zur Testflotte der Airbus-Werke.

Source: http://german.china.org.cn/internati...al/2012-01/29/content_24496569.htm

Rough translation: „The remaining twelve A 380 have to be inspected within the next six weeks. The most urgent inspections are 6 x SQ, 2 x EK, 1 x AF, the rest being the fleet of Airbus’ test planes”.


User currently offlinesutrakhk From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 70802 times:

Seems CZ #3 will be dlivered soon as some insiders said CZ is expecting to put it in PEK-HKG-PEK from 20 Feb for about 1 month (replacing A321), their Hong Kong ground handling agent is preparing now.

If the rumour is true, then HKG will have 5 A380 airlines (SQ, EK, QF, KE and CZ) for a short period.


User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 70708 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 97):
Rough translation: „The remaining twelve A 380 have to be inspected within the next six weeks. The most urgent inspections are 6 x SQ, 2 x EK, 1 x AF, the rest being the fleet of Airbus’ test planes”.


All 6 inspected SQ planes had cracks. 4 have been repaired and 2 are undergoing repairs.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...ebusinessnews/view/1180147/1/.html


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 70444 times:

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 98):
If the rumour is true, then HKG will have 5 A380 airlines (SQ, EK, QF, KE and CZ) for a short period.

6 if you believe in the deployment of the LH flagship, which has rumoured around the industry for months and years now.



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User currently offlinesutrakhk From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 70392 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 100):
6 if you believe in the deployment of the LH flagship, which has rumoured around the industry for months and years now.

Actually LH applied to bring A380 to Hong Kong from 2011 summer but I believe LH finally choose Singapore rather than Hong Kong, let's hope it will finally come when more A380 deliver to LH. Maybe we will see the 748i......time will tell.

Hope HKIA modify more gates for A380 with 3 bridges ASAP. IIRC, currently we have 5 A380 gates, which are Gate 15, Gate 60,62,64,66, and only Gate 15 have 3 bridges.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 102, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 70319 times:

MSN093, TG's 2nd, has been confirmed as the new frame in convoy 3/2012.

In addition, Qatar har selected EA to power their ordered A380s


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6937 posts, RR: 63
Reply 103, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 70297 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 102):
Qatar har selected EA to power their ordered A380s

Disappointment but no great surprise is registered in western Japan.  


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 69694 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 103):
Disappointment but no great surprise is registered in western Japan

Look at it from the positive side:
If all costumers were to order RR than EA would choose not to provide anymore, causing a monopoly on RRs behalf. Which then in turn only makes the aircraft more expensive, less attractive to costumers and thus brings about fewer happy spotters around the globe.



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User currently offlinecbrboy From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 69377 times:

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 98):
some insiders said CZ is expecting to put it in PEK-HKG-PEK from 20 Feb for about 1 month (replacing A321)

That is a big leap in capacity, to go from an A321 to A388! You said for about one month: is this a temporary measure to gain publicity for China Southern? There's no sign of it in online reservation systems, which show two A380s being (under-)used on CAN-PEK on 20 February.


User currently offlinesutrakhk From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 69307 times:

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 105):
That is a big leap in capacity, to go from an A321 to A388! You said for about one month: is this a temporary measure to gain publicity for China Southern? There's no sign of it in online reservation systems, which show two A380s being (under-)used on CAN-PEK on 20 February.

Third A380 will be coming soon.

Schedule released from airlineroute.net:

AS per 02FEB12 GDS Inventory display, China Southern from 02MAR12 launches Airbus A380 service on Beijing – Hong Kong route, replacing Airbus A321. With A380 aircraft enters operation on this route, departure from HKG will move 80 minutes later.

Currently A380 service is scheduled till 24MAR12 as the airline has not yet update Summer schedule for Domestic China flights as well as A380 operation.

Reservation for the A380 flight is now open. Schedule:

CZ310 PEK0850 – 1220HKG 380 D
CZ309 HKG1440 – 1750PEK 380 D

http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/02/cz-pekhkg-mar12

Propably just for crew trainings before entering long-hual services


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 68876 times:

MSN092, SQ's 19th, was transferred to XFW today

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 108, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 68346 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 107):
MSN092, SQ's 19th, was transferred to XFW today

Just for the records, this was the 85th A 380 to fly. One day earlier, the missing parts for MSN 110 (EK) arrived in TLS, making it the 95th A 380 that has been convoyed to TLS.

Since some days, MSN 002 is sending radar signals from TLS. It seems as if she will be the next A 380 to have its, well, "first flight" (first flight after conversion to production standard).

MSN 082, future 9V-SKR and SQ #16, was transferred to TLS for delivery last Friday so delivery should take place in February 2012 (at least when appyling historic standard values, there is no information if wings inspection due to the latest findings have been done in XFW prior to this ferry flight or if they will be done in TLS).

MSN 054 (CZ # 3) was scheduled to be ferried to TLS last Friday as well but obviously the flight cancelled and she is still in XFW.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 109, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 67453 times:

9V-SKR is just approaching Singapore as SQ380, delivery flight from TLS. That's A 380 # 69.

Production time for this SQ-bird was considerably lower than for the previous airframes: just about 10 months.


User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 110, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 67202 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 109):
That's A 380 # 69.

How many do SQ have left to go ?



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User currently offlinesf260 From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 67090 times:

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 110):

How many do SQ have left to go ?

3, all to be delivered by Q3 of this year.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 112, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 67148 times:

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 110):
How many do SQ have left to go ?

This delivery was SQ A 380 # 16.

They will receive three additional aiframes in 2012:
SQ # 17 = MSN 079, in XFW since 2011-10-10
SQ # 18 = MSN 085, in XFW since 2011-12-16
SQ # 19 = MSN 092, in XFW since 2012-02-03


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 66615 times:

Quoting sutrakhk (Reply 106):
AS per 02FEB12 GDS Inventory display, China Southern from 02MAR12 launches Airbus A380 service on Beijing – Hong Kong route, replacing Airbus A321. With A380 aircraft enters operation on this route, departure from HKG will move 80 minutes later.

Currently A380 service is scheduled till 24MAR12 as the airline has not yet update Summer schedule for Domestic China flights as well as A380 operation.

Reservation for the A380 flight is now open. Schedule:

CZ310 PEK0850 – 1220HKG 380 D
CZ309 HKG1440 – 1750PEK 380 D

http://airlineroute.net/2012/02/02/cz-pekhkg-mar12

Propably just for crew trainings before entering long-hual services

Looks like they are extending operation with the A388. It was supposed to end March 30, but so far it looks like it will operate on April 12 when I am flying from HKG to PEK. Anybody know if this is just because their S12 schedule has not been updated yet or is there a chance it will actually operate! Certainly hope so - would love to try CZ's A380!



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 114, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 65947 times:

Seems like MSN096, KE's 6th, is the new frame on convoy 4/2012

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 115, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 62617 times:

Did play around with my new toy and found this message sent from the flightline in TLS.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7204/6910370013_5f6400aa27_b.jpg

If you compare the position of this unknown A 380 with this picture taken at the same time (more or less) than it has been sent either from MSN 002 or from MSN 105, future EK # 24: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/6909862501/in/photostream/


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 62097 times:

Some updates:

TLS:
MSN089 (MH #4) either has or is about to start on FAL stage 2
MSN105 (EK #24) has had its first engine run
MSN093 (TG #2) tail was transfered to TLS yesterday, so body join should soon begin
MSN054 (CZ #3) apparently had its acceptance flight yesterday, so delivery should take place soon

XFW:
MSN098 (EK #21) apparently had its acceptance flight yesterday, so delivery should take place soon
MSN079 (SQ #17) was supposed to have its RTO yestarday, but it was cancelled. Anyway; Cabin Ttest flights is expected to start shortly and the aircraft is set for a delivery in March


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 61630 times:

With Kingfisher going...going...almost-gone we start the year with minus 5 orders, it seems

User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 118, posted (2 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 60919 times:

Recent updates

TLS:
MSN111 (EK #30): has been confirmed as the new aircraft on convoy 5/2012. The wings and tailplane should be in TLS now, while the rest of the parts will arrive on convoy 6/2012 on March 2
MSN088 (CZ #4) has rolled out from the FAL

XFW:
MSN078 (MH #1) has apperently been painted, but not yet rolled out from the paint hangar
MSN072 (LH #9) is seen fully painted and should have finished outfitting


User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (2 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 60638 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 118):
MSN078 (MH #1) has apperently been painted, but not yet rolled out from the paint hangar

I was expecting that to happen anytime now, as MSN78 is due soon. Spotters stay alert for Malaysia's first A380, and first new A380 customer of the year! Next one will be Thai, due for the summer, I believe.


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 120, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 60178 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 116):
MSN098 (EK #21) apparently had its acceptance flight yesterday, so delivery should take place soon

MSN098 has been delivered to EK


User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 59998 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 83):
New target value for the 2012-deliveries stated by John Leahy:

Quote:
Last year, Airbus delivered 26 of the double-deckers, and is expected to deliver "28 or 29" in 2012, said Leahy.

I'm disappointed by this target. From 2009 to 2010 they ramped up by 8 frames, from 2010 to 2011 by another 8. Now only 2 or 3 more frames in 2012? I was expecting something in the low 30's, like 32 or so, indicating a steady progression to 3 per month, which IMO is the rate they need to reduce backlog and get more orders. I hope Leahy is just being overly cautious...


User currently offlineTeamDA From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 59283 times:

MSN 093 the second A380 for Thai was noted in body join yesterday in TLS.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalairliners/6943499253/


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 59258 times:

MSN054 (CZ #3) was delivered yesterday making it the 71st A380 in service. Apparently all CZ A380s are constrained to flying routes within China for now due to approval issues on their international routes.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 124, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 58590 times:

Some updates

MSN079 (SQ #17) has been transfered to the TLS delivery center and delivery should take place soon
MSN084 (MH #3) had its first engine run, so first flight should soon take place
MSN087 (TG #1) had its first flight yesterday, and was transfered to XFW for outfitting
MSN101 (EK #22) performed powerbox and runway test, and is scheduled for delivery on April 5th


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 125, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 57729 times:

MSN100 TG #3 has been confirmed as the next new aircraft. It's wings and tailplane has arrived in TLS, while the rest will arrive on the next convoy starting March 12

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 126, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 57376 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 125):
MSN100 TG #3 has been confirmed as the next new aircraft

That's interesting since MSN 100 is a 2013-delivery-airframe (correct me if I am wrong). So with MSN 111 (EK) all aiframes to be delivered this year are now in TLS. And it fits to JL's statement:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 83):
Quote:Last year, Airbus delivered 26 of the double-deckers, and is expected to deliver "28 or 29" in 2012, said Leahy.Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...7068/

So I think these airframes will be delivered this year:

1 MSN 076 - SQ - 9V-SKP - 2012-Q1 - delivered
2 MSN 082 - SQ - 9V-SKR - 2012 - delivered
3 MSN 098 - EK - A6-EDU - 2012-Q1 - delivered
4 MSN 054 - CZ - B-6138 - 2012 - delivered
5 MSN 002 - pvt - HZ-____ - 2012 - TLS flightline since Dec. 2011
6 MSN 079 - SQ - 9V-SKQ - 2012 - TLS flightline for delivery since 03-03-2012
7 MSN 067 - AF - F-HPJG - 2012 - in XFW since 28-09-2011
8 MSN 099 - AF - F-HPJH - 2012 - in XFW since 21-10-2011
9 MSN 078 - MH - 9M-MNA 2012-Q2 - in XFW since 24-10-2011
10 MSN 101 - EK - A6-EDV - 2012-04 - in XFW since 02-11-2011
11 MSN 072 - LH - D-AIMI - 2012 - in XFW since 21-11-2011
12 MSN 073 - LH - D-AIMJ - 2012 - in XFW since 06-12-2011
13 MSN 085 - SQ - 9V-SKS - 2012 - in XFW since 16-12-2011
14 MSN 103 - EK - A6-EDW - 2012-Q3 - in XFW since 13-01-2011
15 MSN 081 - MH - 9M-MNB - 2012-Q3 - in XFW since 17-01-2012
16 MSN 092 - SQ - 9V-SKT - 2012-Q3 - in XFW since 03-02-2012
17 MSN 105 - EK - A6-EDX - 2012-Q3 - in XFW since 28-02-2012
18 MSN 087 - TG #1 - HS-TUA - 2012-10 - outside FAL since 26-01-2012
19 MSN 084 - MH #3 - 9M-MNC - 2012 - outside FAL since 11-02-2012
20 MSN 088 - CZ #4 - B-___ - 2012 - outside FAL since 20-02-2012
21 MSN 106 - EK - A6-EDY - 2012-Q3 - outside FAL since 29-02-2012
22 MSN 107 - EK - A6-EDZ - 2012-Q3 - since January 2012 in FAL
23 MSN 108 - EK - A6-EEA - 2012-Q4 - since January 2012 in FAL
24 MSN 109 - EK - A6-EEB - 2012-Q4 - since January 2012 in FAL
25 MSN 089 - MH - 9M-MND - 2012-Q4 -since February 2012 in FAL
26 MSN 110 - EK - A6-EEC - 2012-Q4 since February 2012 in body join
27 MSN 093 - TG - HS-___ - 2012-10 since February 2012 in parts receiving
28 MSN 096 - KE - HL-7616 - 2012 - all parts in TLS since end of February
29 MSN 111 - EK - A6-EED - 2012-Q4 - all parts in TLS since end of March 07


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 127, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 58098 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 126):
That's interesting since MSN 100 is a 2013-delivery-airframe (correct me if I am wrong). So with MSN 111 (EK) all aiframes to be delivered this year are now in TLS. And it fits to JL's statement:

Could be, but it depends if Airbus are able to further shorten the A380 production time. There has been talk of about 9 months, which should mean MSN112 for EK has a chance for a 2012 delivery if being on the next convoy? Although I doubt it. But MSN100 was a surprise.

And on the other hand, I don't trust those planned delivery lists 100%.....


User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 57774 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 127):
28 MSN 096 - KE - HL-7616 - 2012 - all parts in TLS since end of February

Slight correction, MSN 096 will be HL7619. HL7616 is a Asiana Cargo B744F.


User currently offlineaircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 8
Reply 129, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 57446 times:

I've seen yesterday, and I can't recall where, that it takes about 83 business days for a 777 to go from the entry in final assembly to delivery. The A380 takes so much more time! I'm a bit surprised. I would've thought that, being, let's say, twice as big (which it isn't, but just to give an idea), it should take twice as long... But it's much more than that, isn't it?

Any one in the know could explain?

This is not Airbus bashing. Just a honest question from a layman. Please no mudfest, no flamefest...

... An airlinerfest is correct, though  


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 130, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 57279 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 126):
29 MSN 111 - EK - A6-EED - 2012-Q4 - all parts in TLS since end of March 07
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 127):
which should mean MSN112 for EK has a chance for a 2012 delivery if being on the next convoy?

At least Emirates seems to believe so. The airline has previously stated that it expects to have 31 frames in the active fleet by the end of 2012, a statement which would imply that MSN 112 A6-EEE would also be delivered this year.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 56886 times:

Quoting aircellist (Reply 129):
I've seen yesterday, and I can't recall where, that it takes about 83 business days for a 777 to go from the entry in final assembly to delivery. The A380 takes so much more time! I'm a bit surprised. I would've thought that, being, let's say, twice as big (which it isn't, but just to give an idea), it should take twice as long... But it's much more than that, isn't it?

Well, if we take it as "twice as big" then

83 business days*2=166 = 233 days including weekends = 8 months without a week.
The outfitting is still so-to-say immature, and they are reaching the objective of assembly-to-delivery in 9 months = 273 days, and the objective is it seems 7 1/2 months thus = 228 days which is exactly double of that of 777.
So in 2-3 years timeit will take twice as long.

they are reaching full stride and i'm hoping they will manage to deliver not only TG3 (MSN100) this year but also even 2 more frames (I'm optimist, don't shoot me), e.g. MSN112 (EK31) and MSN94 (MH5).

At least, last year they promised 24 and delivered 26. This year, at the annual conference, Enders promised 30 deliveries, so I'm hoping they will outperform  

What we shoud see on the new year's eve is:

EMIRATES now 21 + 3 outfitting + 6 assembly (+1 convoy later in March???) = 30 (+1?)
SINGAPORE now 16 + 3 outfitting (and the full order is completed) = 19
QANTAS now 12 = 12
LUFTHANSA now 8 + 2 outfitting =10
AIR FRANCE now 6 + 2 outfitting = 8
KOREAN now 5 + 0 outfitting + 1 assembly = 6
CHINA SOUTHERN now 3 + 0 outfitting + 1 assembly = 4
MALAYSIA now 0 + 2 outfitting + 2 assembly (+1 convoy later in March???) = 4 (+1??)
THAI now 0 + 1 outfitting + 2 assembly = 3
PRIVATE MSN2 likely to be delivered to personal outfitter this year = 1 (but only Allakh knows when it happens)

In total:
67 delivered before Jan1, 2012. This year, 4 deliveries already delivered, 26 (including MSN002) still to be delivered, and up to two more to come on convoys with a minor chance of getting there.
For the future,
Air france seem to halt deliveries (there is a separate thread on their financial results in 2011 and minimum investment in new fleet in AF group in 2012-2014); next delivery will probably in 2016;
Emirates eager to take about 12 a year
Qantas deferring 6 final frames until some time never (or later?)
Singapore completing the deliveries
Lufthansa taking 2 or 3 a year (from a380production, I believe Lufthansa should take 3 more deliveries in 2013), and seemingly very happy about 380
China Southern, Malaysia and Thai completing deliveries in 2013.
British airways and Qatar starting deliveries in 2013 (up to 3 each)


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 132, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 56687 times:

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 131):
EMIRATES now 21 + 3 outfitting + 6 assembly (+1 convoy later in March???) = 30 (+1?)
Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 131):
Emirates eager to take about 12 a year

I have seen an Emirates document which indicated that the airline would have 31 operational frames by the end of this year, indicating that msn 112 would indeed be delivered this year as well as 44 operational aircraft by the end of 2013, indicating a further 13 deliveries in 2013.


User currently offlinegroobster From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 56733 times:

Loving this vid of the first MAS 380:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xypzPcv2OAA



Next flights: MAN-IST-AUH-MAN
User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 56605 times:
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Anyone notice the A380 tail fin standing in the corner at 1:36 into the vid?

User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 56490 times:

Quoting groobster (Reply 133):
Loving this vid of the first MAS 380:

Are you telling me that this is the full MH paintjob? No cheatlines, no other colours? Dissapointing!



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 56449 times:
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No, this is not the full paint job.

Check this out: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/us/en/corporate-info/press-room.html

Will be unvailed in a couple of weeks.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 137, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 56206 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 134):

Anyone notice the A380 tail fin standing in the corner at 1:36 into the vid?

Yes, I saw it as well. But I thought maybe it's just a mock-up. I would think they should protect it when painting an A 380 next to it.


User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 56083 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 135):
Are you telling me that this is the full MH paintjob? No cheatlines, no other colours? Dissapointing!

Or this thread:
Malaysia Airlines' New(er) Corporate Livery (by 9MMAR Mar 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)



User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 139, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 55673 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 132):
I have seen an Emirates document which indicated that the airline would have 31 operational frames by the end of this year, indicating that msn 112 would indeed be delivered this year as well as 44 operational aircraft by the end of 2013, indicating a further 13 deliveries in 2013.

Calendar or financial year? Which for EK are two different things


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 55063 times:

We've got very sad news, it seems. the number of convoys in 2012 is reduced from 31 to 30
http://www.igg.fr/IMG/jpg/IGG_Planni...13mars2012.jpg.

Besides, convoy 8 will contain 3 pieces only rather than the usual 6:
http://forum.a380production.com/boar....php?attachmentid=773&d=1331807828

I can find just two explanations. first, they want to start conveying parts of the same plane in a single convoy. second, they intend to send larger convoys. if not, then the promised ramp-up in 2013 is just a mirage and we can realistically expect just 30 to 32 deliveries in 2013.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 141, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 55067 times:

Some updates:

MSN084 (MH #3) had its first flight and was transfered to XFW yesterday
MSN067 and MSN099 (AF #7 and 8) has both stared cabin test flights at XFW
MSN073 (LH #10) has rolled out from outfitting after 13 weeks, tha same time as MSN072 (LH #9) and the fastest EK frames


User currently offlineHacku From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 54217 times:

Does anybody know which frame was carried on convoy #7?

User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 143, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 53378 times:

Quoting Hacku (Reply 142):

Does anybody know which frame was carried on convoy #7?

Still unknown

Other updates

TLS:
MSN108 (EK #27) has rolled out from FAL
MSN088 (CZ #4) has started engine runs
MSN110 (KE #29) has finished body join and transfered to the FAL

XFW
MSN072 (LH #9) has started taxi tests


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 144, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 51780 times:

TLS:
MSN109, EK #28, has rolled out from FAL after 11 week
MSN079, SQ #17, has apparently had its customer acceptance flight, and should be delivered shortly

XFW
MSN085, SQ #18, has finihed outitting after 15 weeks


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 145, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 51156 times:
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Nice to see the A380 deliveries going up. Dropping one convoy?   

I just wanted to thank everyone for their information.

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 146, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 50873 times:

After some confusion is seems like convoy 7 and 8 contained the following

Convoy 7: Fuselage Pieces MSN100, Tailplane MSN094 ,Wings MSN112

Convoy 8: Tailplane MSN112 , Wings MSN094


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 147, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 49927 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 144):
MSN079, SQ #17, has apparently had its customer acceptance flight, and should be delivered shortly

Delivered and was transfered to SIN yesterday


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 49353 times:

Can anyone give an update on what's been happening with recent deliveries and expected deliveries.

A usually good source at http://plane.spottingworld.com/A380_production_list has gone quiet for 2 months now.

Thanks


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 149, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 48878 times:

Quoting KennyK (Reply 148):
Can anyone give an update on what's been happening with recent deliveries and expected deliveries.

The status for the airframes to be delivered in 2012 is as follows:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7076/7054366671_318794514e_b.jpg

I applied the current production times (2 weeks body join, 2 1/2 months FAL, 1 1/2 months at the flightline before FF and ferry flight to XFW, 6 1/2 months between FF and delivery). Based on this historic data it will be tough to deliver 29 airframes this year. Let's hope they will be able to reduce the production time between FF and delivery, which offers the biggest potential for improvement...

Quoting KennyK (Reply 148):
A usually good source at http://plane.spottingworld.com/A380_production_list has gone quiet for 2 months now.

Yeah, that’s really a pity.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4800 posts, RR: 40
Reply 150, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 48512 times:
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Quoting N14AZ (Reply 149):
The status for the airframes to be delivered in 2012 is as follows:

As always thanks for all your work keeping us updated.   Indeed let's hope they can find some more improvements in the production time per airframe.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3620 posts, RR: 27
Reply 151, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 48398 times:
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Quoting someone83 (Reply 143):
MSN110 (KE #29) has finished body join and transfered to the FAL

wasn't aware KE had that many .....


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 152, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 48449 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 149):
The status for the airframes to be delivered in 2012 is as follows:

Nice overview  
Quoting kanban (Reply 151):
wasn't aware KE had that many .....

Typo....EK vs KE  

Anyway, seems like MSN106, EK's #25, is being transfered to XFW today


User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 48256 times:

Zero deliveries in the month of march... disappointing... and perhaps worrying. Likely due to the wing inspection/repair issue, I guess?

Hopefully we will see a busy month of april to compensate. MSN67, MSN79, MSN101, MSN78 look like good candidates.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 154, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 48220 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 153):
Likely due to the wing inspection/repair issue, I guess?

That's what I think as well. MSN 079 arrived in TLS on March 03rd 2012 and left TLS on April 02nd (transfer of title was in March but I also prefer to compare the dates of the actual ferry flights because the date of transfer of title is usually not known). That's almost one month. The previous SQ-bird (MSN 082) left XFW on February 03rd and was delivered on February 08th.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 152):
Nice overview

Thanks, and thank you for keeping this thread alive.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 152):
Anyway, seems like MSN106, EK's #25, is being transfered to XFW today

This is now the 90th A 380 flying (FF was last week on April 05th).


User currently offlinee195 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 48103 times:
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From Ba twitter shows msn95

http://tnyr.co/HEd4Ty

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User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 156, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 47446 times:

100th set of A 380 parts convoyed to TLS

By now, convoy # 09/2012 should have arrived in TLS (was scheduled from April 05th until April 10th). It contained three missing fuselage sections and completed MSN 112 (EK # 31), the 100th set of A 380 parts transported to TLS.

Quoting e195 (Reply 155):
From Ba twitter shows msn95 http://tnyr.co/HEd4Ty

Thanks for the link. Can't wait to see the tail fin for BA's first A 380.


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 157, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 46630 times:

MH #1 has started with the taxiing test after cabin outfitting:

http://v2.airplaneupload.de/images-i1896bj4wek.jpg
Source: http://www.aviation-community.de/forum-nord/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9492

Cabin first flight should take place later this week.


User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 46302 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 157):
MH #1 has started with the taxiing test after cabin outfitting:

Please don't tell me that this is the final livery for MH's A380?!! It is...white. A white whale jet. Disappointing if this should be the actual livery...


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 46147 times:

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 158):
Please don't tell me that this is the final livery for MH's A380?!!

speedbird you can stop worrying that is only half pained. An illustration of the full colour scheme can be seen at:

http://www.flightstory.net/20120308/...ivery-malaysia-airlines-a380-video

To be hones I am not sure I especially like the blue swoosh towards the rear - but its better than a plane whie body.


User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 45803 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 159):
speedbird you can stop worrying that is only half pained. An illustration of the full colour scheme can be seen at:

http://www.flightstory.net/20120308/...ivery-malaysia-airlines-a380-video

To be hones I am not sure I especially like the blue swoosh towards the rear - but its better than a plane whie body.

Phew! Thanks for the info. I don't know what to think of the complete livery yet, but it's certainly better than the white one.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 161, posted (2 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 45064 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 143):
MSN108 (EK #27) has rolled out from FAL

First flight today


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 162, posted (2 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 43962 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 161):
Quoting someone83 (Reply 143):
MSN108 (EK #27) has rolled out from FAL

First flight today

FF was cancelled yesterday. MSN 108 appeared with its registration F-WWSI on radar toulouse with the usual flight number AIB01SI but then the signal was gone. Seems as if the pilots found something they didn't like. This again increases the chances for a combined FF / ferry flight to XFW.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 163, posted (2 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 43969 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 162):
FF was cancelled yesterday. MSN 108 appeared with its registration F-WWSI on radar toulouse with the usual flight number AIB01SI but then the signal was gone. Seems as if the pilots found something they didn't like. This again increases the chances for a combined FF / ferry flight to XFW.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/6959746504/in/photostream

Looks like a first flight to me  

However, it ended after only one hour, suggestion something was not right. But it was still a first flight


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 164, posted (2 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 43845 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 163):
Looks like a first flight to me

However, it ended after only one hour, suggestion something was not right. But it was still a first flight

Ah, thanks for correcting me. Seems as if I missed that hour when 108 was flying.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3422 posts, RR: 3
Reply 165, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 43320 times:

MSN099 (AF #8) is out flying today, on what might be its cabin acceptance flight? Not sure if it has overtaken MSN067 (AF #7) or not, or why it seems to be quiet around MSN067?

User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 166, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 42969 times:

This from Bloomberg

"Airbus May Not Hit 2012 A380 Target, Tribune Says

Airbus SAS may fail to reach its A380 delivery target for 2012 as monthly production has slowed to 2.3 planes from 2.7, French daily La Tribune reported.

The newspaper cited unidentified people at Airbus. Production is likely to recover to three planes a month in 2013, La Tribune said."

Oh oh. Anyone have more info?


User currently offlineflyglobal From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 167, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 42919 times:

Could it be in connection with the wing cracks.
I understood, that the permanent solution will be certified Q3 2012.
In this connection it could make sense to slow production for some time, as each plane with the none modified wing is a must candidate for correction.

Regards

Flyglobal


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 168, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 42880 times:

Yes, these are the influences of solving the wing cracks issue: Airbus has stopped conveying wings to TLS. Convoy no. 8/2012 was the last one transporting wings to TLS. All following convoys 9, 10 and 11 did include fuselage sections only.

1 / 2012: 06.-11.01.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
2 / 2012: 16.-19.01.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
3 / 2012: 30.01-02.02.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
4 / 2012: 09.-14.02.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
5 / 2012: 20.-23.02.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
6 / 2012: 02.-07.03.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
7 / 2012: 12.-15.03.12: fwd / center / rear / wing pair / tailplane
8 / 2012: 26.-29.03.12: wing pair / tailplane
9 / 2012: 05.-10.04.12: fwd / center / rear /
10 / 2012: 17.-19.04.12: fwd / center / rear /
11 / 2012: 09.-11.05.12 : fwd / center / rear /

The composition of convoy 12 / 2012is not yet known. So since end of March until end of May in the best case, assuming CV 12 will contain wings again, no wings have been transported to TLS.
It fits together with a statement of Airbus, saying that they want to have a “final” solution for producing the wings without the deficiencies until middle of the year.
So there will be an interruption in body join. Even now, not all 6 positions with the FAL are occupied: only 4 positions are occupied by
MSN 100 - TG #3 - HS-___ - 2013-Q1 since middle of April 2012
MSN 111 - EK #30 - A6-EED - 2012-Q4 - since early April 2012
MSN 096 - KE #6 - HL-7616 - 2012 since middle of March 2012
MSN 093 - TG #2 - HS-___ - 2012-10 - since early March 2012

Yes, sometimes it can be hard to be an enthusiastic observer of the A 380-production.


User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 169, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 42847 times:

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 167):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 168):

Ok makes sense.

As always with Airbus, the commitment to get it right remains strong. I can have few complaints