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Spirit Airlines Announce Four New DFW Routes  
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12630 times:

Looks like Spirit keep the DFW expansion going! Just saw that they anounced on their twitter service from DFW to Atlanta, Boston, Orlando and New York. Thoughts?
EDIT: Here is the press release: http://marketing.spirit.com/traveldeals/air.php?s=775



[Edited 2011-11-29 15:14:31]

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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12639 times:
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In light of the Air tran pull out and AA difficulties, seems like a smart and strategic move

User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12553 times:

This is a shot across AA's bow no doubt. Is it just a daily flight or multiple daily frequencies?

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2229 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12555 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 1):
In light of the Air tran pull out and AA difficulties, seems like a smart and strategic move

Yes indeed. Got to give NK credit - VERY smart moves on their part.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12331 times:

Not surprised by the ATL-DFW announcement at all, especially since I predicted it about two months ago in this thread:

ATL-DFW Capacity (by mech24 Sep 15 2011 in Civil Aviation)

NK seems to be creating some mini-hubs as of late. Hopefully their growth at DFW will be successful. I don't think the timing of this announcement was related to the AMR CH. 11 filing this morning and it's a coincidence that this announcement was on the same day (Don't most airlines announce new services on Tuesdays?).


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

Quoting Squid (Reply 2):
This is a shot across AA's bow no doubt.
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
Got to give NK credit

.... and the ink probably isn't even dry on the BK filing papers yet......


 


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13422 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12277 times:
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Quoting n471wn (Reply 1):
In light of the Air tran pull out and AA difficulties, seems like a smart and strategic move

Agreed. But who will hear about it today?
They should have waited a few days for the PR potential.

Lightsaber



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User currently onlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I don't think the timing of this announcement was related to the AMR CH. 11 filing this morning and it's a coincidence that this announcement was on the same day (Don't most airlines announce new services on Tuesdays?).

I think you're right. I was in DFW about a month ago and heard that NK was going to get up to around 30 flights a day in DFW. I was not surprised to see today's announcement.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

What a convenient time to announce DFW expansion!

ATL and MCO cover the loss of FL service. BOS and LGA will provide LCC competition on key business routes (although NK will probably just get leisure and VFR travelers).

What's next? DFW-LAX? More expansion from ORD? NK to MIA? More service to Latin America? It seems like NK could be poised to benefit from AA's bankruptcy much more than I thought...



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12166 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 1):
In light of the Air tran pull out and AA difficulties, seems like a smart and strategic move

I'm not so sure. NK has increased domestic departures by about 50% over the last two years, while Latin America has been pulled down by almost 20%, and almost of all of that is in AA's MIA neighborhood.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12050 times:

The price of the fares sales out of DFW?

11 Dollars  

Alex



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User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11983 times:
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Smooth move I must say. With the substantial wave of aircraft coming in next year, I assume these are just one of the few massive announcements. Does anyone know the schedules and frequencies?


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User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

They are promoting Chapter $11 Sale Fares LOL

User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11697 times:
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It will be more like $111 when you add in their new booking fee, and all the other fee crap they charge.
I recently priced NK for a TPA-FLL trip one-way against WN and DL/AA to MIA. WN's fare was $58. DL/AA to MIA was $89. NK offered a fare of $5 but after the booking fee, one carry-on bag fee for a roller board and a seat selection fee, their fare was $109.
A neighbor recently booked NK to CUN via FLL, but ended up paying more than $200 more for 4 tickets than if they had selected B6 or AA. Watch that bottom line "ready to purchase" amount folks! Do your homework and price out the total fees and services you want for the NK service to get the accurate amount you are to pay.
The trip to FLL? I rode WN.



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 5):
.... and the ink probably isn't even dry on the BK filing papers yet......

Red ink takes longer to dry.   

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 13):

It will be more like $111 when you add in their new booking fee, and all the other fee crap they charge.
I recently priced NK for a TPA-FLL trip one-way against WN and DL/AA to MIA. WN's fare was $58. DL/AA to MIA was $89. NK offered a fare of $5 but after the booking fee, one carry-on bag fee for a roller board and a seat selection fee, their fare was $109.
A neighbor recently booked NK to CUN via FLL, but ended up paying more than $200 more for 4 tickets than if they had selected B6 or AA. Watch that bottom line "ready to purchase" amount folks! Do your homework and price out the total fees and services you want for the NK service to get the accurate amount you are to pay.
The trip to FLL? I rode WN.

I love the people that say " It may look like a $20 dollar fare but once you pay for a carry on, a seat up front, 2 bags, 2 cokes, a bag of combos, gas to the airport, a therapist to treat insanity of standing in such a crowded part of the FLL terminal etc etc.."

I think they're pretty clear about what type of airline they are. Their fare is for a ticket and only that. Outside of the booking fee and taxes, you can fly for that price. I agree you should do your home work. Shopping at kroger isn't the same as shopping at harris-teeter.


User currently onlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11368 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 14):
Outside of the booking fee and taxes, you can fly for that price.

I understand their booking fee is waived if purchased at the airport. Is that true?



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User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Trust me AA will protect that market and will most likely match fares or cut them to deal with Spriit. In the past AA has really dipped fares when other carriers moved in on DFW service. If you remembe Legend Airlines with those 56 seat DC9's out of Love Field. AA matched and filed a law suit against Legent. In the end Legend fell the the financial pressure and in 4 years they lost 44 million dollars.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11339 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 15):
I understand their booking fee is waived if purchased at the airport. Is that true?


Indeed it is. Which I believe is what makes it legal for them to advertise the price.


User currently onlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 17):
Indeed it is. Which I believe is what makes it legal for them to advertise the price.

Fine with me, if that case, as I always enjoy a trip the the airport. As long as you can still go online and print your boarding pass using this system. Or would that have to be done at the ticket counter on the day of travel and do they charge for that?

I guess the bottom line is...can you get away with just paying the fare incl taxes on NK and still make a day out of it without getting charged for anything extra? A backpack under the seat is still free right?



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User currently offlineBoiler905 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11093 times:

Smart move by NK? Appears so. Aside from ATL and MCO, FL also maintained decent capacity in LGA and BOS and could have connected passengers to those cities over ATL. Just as some of the ORD routes NK announced earlier this year, these are mostly business rather than leisure markets. Surprising considering NK's product offering isn't as business friendly as other carriers already serving these markets. Nothing says they can't try though. Is DFW the new DTW in NK's network?

However, I'd like to bring up another related topic in all of this: VX.

IMHO, VX cannot expect to keep growing solely out of SFO and LAX. Expanding their DFW service to JFK, IAD, ORD, and/or FLL seem like options that should be considered as their fleet grows in the future. The fact that NK beat VX to DFW expansion announcements may be a testament to which company is more aggressive with growth.

Assuming AA will exit bankruptcy with a much more competitive cost structure, LCCs should probably get as strong of a foothold as possible in DFW sooner rather than later.



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11045 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 19):
Fine with me, if that case, as I always enjoy a trip the the airport. As long as you can still go online and print your boarding pass using this system. Or would that have to be done at the ticket counter on the day of travel and do they charge for that?

Can be done online for free, and at the airport for free ( for now )

Quoting Boiler905 (Reply 20):
IMHO, VX cannot expect to keep growing solely out of SFO and LAX. Expanding their DFW service to JFK, IAD, ORD, and/or FLL seem like options that should be considered as their fleet grows in the future. The fact that NK beat VX to DFW expansion announcements may be a testament to which company is more aggressive with growth.

I don't think VX and NK would be after the same traffic even if they flew the exact same route network. NK grows to expand profit... VX has seemingly unlimited funds.


User currently offlineBoiler905 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10977 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 21):
I don't think VX and NK would be after the same traffic even if they flew the exact same route network. NK grows to expand profit... VX has seemingly unlimited funds.

I don't disagree with that, NK's product is night-and-day different from VX. Even so, I expect VX to make schedule expansion announcements of their own in the near future (whether it be DFW, LAX, FLL or another overlapping AA market). That's just my prediction.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10921 times:

Quoting Boiler905 (Reply 20):
Assuming AA will exit bankruptcy with a much more competitive cost structure, LCCs should probably get as strong of a foothold as possible in DFW sooner rather than later.

This is a great point. Get in there while AA may not be able to mount their typical defense of the DFW hub.


User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10857 times:

Well Spirit Airlines is not known for having class, so it's not surprising that they are announcing "They are begining a new CHAPTER in Dallas with their $11 sale." And they are saying there will be more routes to come. AA better dig in for a fight because I think Spirit has identified their new target. And with so many open gates at DFW, if AA doesn't really step up, they will have a serious problem on their hands with a competitor even more of a threat to them than Southwest or Virgin America before they know it.

[Edited 2011-11-29 19:26:12]

Fasten your seat belt everybody because things are about to get really bumpy and very interesting.


[Edited 2011-11-29 19:27:45]

User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10818 times:

Quoting Squid (Reply 23):
Well Spirit Airlines is not known for having class, so it's not surprising that they are announcing "They are begining a new CHAPTER in Dallas with their $11 sale."


NK is the absolute bottom of the proverbial barrel. Personally, I'd rather fly SU during the Soviet days. Whoever gives that airline money deserves exactly what they get. Of course, people fly them or they wouldn't be expanding, would they?



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25 RamblinMan : Wouldn't bet against it. Of course, AA is not the only hub carrier here, so not quite as obvious a target as DFW. And they already have a hub in FLL
26 AWACSooner : I wouldn't go THAT low...but you're spot on. But they cater to that market...
27 Pe@rson : Read a quote from NK in this month's Airline Business. It said that they have identified 300 domestic routes on which they could stimulate demand, and
28 jfklganyc : AA has a monopoly on a lot of the routes out of DFW. I hate Spirits model, but I wish them much success. No airline should enjoy a fortress hub like A
29 Pe@rson : Just did a dummy booking and found DFW-LGA-DFW very quickly for $43.40 return including taxes and charges. As I wouldn't take checked baggage and as
30 richierich : Besides both being grocery stores, I have no idea what this comparison means but I'll take your word for it. Yeah, this is why I feel that NK's prici
31 Atlwest1 : Harris Teeter is viewed as being more upscale than Kroger. Kinda like a step before you get to wholefoods. What is the frequency of the DFW-ATL servi
32 MaverickM11 : Yet almost no interest in international, particularly from FLL--it's an interesting about-face. Single daily
33 Pe@rson : Caribbean, Central America, and Northern South America - except the likes of Venezuela, which is highly restricted – seems pretty much saturated fr
34 FL787 : Anyone know where the slot for LGA-DFW is coming from? I'm surprised they still fly LGA-DTW 3x daily. Perhaps that will go to twice daily.
35 Pe@rson : Why surprised? As a profit-orientated airline that appears pretty quick at cutting or adjusting insufficiently performing routes, they would, I am su
36 LAXdude1023 : AA would be more worried if we were talking about Delta, UA, or US starting these routes. AA shouldnt lose sleep over NK. The only traffic they will
37 seatback : With one flight a day to each city, AA's not likely to panic or match. The NK customer is NOT the AA customer. AA's bread and butter is the corporate
38 MaverickM11 : They've actually reduced flights noticeably to these regions, which is what I find interesting
39 enilria : It's an interesting strategy. I guess they are trying to attack everybody a little bit so that it feel equal opportunity. The problem comes in when s
40 congaboy : Trust me, as a road warrior, I am convinced business travel will pick up on NK. Why? When your senior management says something like "we need to eith
41 Flytravel : It may be to AA's benefit in some ways. When NK cancels a single daily flight (because of mechanical issues) and leaves the pax stranded with no opti
42 Pe@rson : Leaves 110am, arrives 540am. So block time 3h 30m. From this, I remembered that its IAG-FLL and PBG-FLL are both overnight, namely 205am-5am and 135a
43 Squid : My feeling is that Spirit will probably add more flights out of DFW and will be willing to loose a little money in the short term and try to mature DF
44 LAXdude1023 : No, they really shouldnt. NK is no threat to AA. The business community in DFW wont give them a second thought. If anything NK in DFW will look like
45 Squid : In my opinion, while AA is in CH.11, they should have all their new domestic/Caribbean & Central American planes delivered with slim-line seats in
46 Pe@rson : When NK is clearly after more price-elastic market segments, it doesn't matter. Moreover, its CEO has repeatedly stated that it does not seek market
47 Boiler905 : None of us really know how deep VX's pockets are. All we know is that AMR has $4.1bn in cash and >$20bn in liabilities. Now would seem to be the o
48 Pe@rson : Purely for curiosity, do you know how many gates that satellite terminal had?
49 IrishAyes : I kind of want to get a definitive answer on where VX stands in relation to the industry. Up here in Chicago, I keep hearing that they're sticking it
50 commavia : That is a rough schedule, albeit not unlike plenty of other domestic midcon redeyes. But, it does speak volumes: with a single frequency, timed like
51 Post contains links gdg9 : According to this article: http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/11...as-american-files-for-chapter.html "Already, 30 of DFW's 155 gates are not used for
52 Boiler905 : I believe Delta Connection maxed it out with about eight or so regional aircraft. You could probably fit four to six mainline aircraft around that bu
53 commavia : Try again. Their repeated past attempts at subverting standard traffic and financial reporting requirements aside, Virgin is just like every other U.
54 Kcrwflyer : I thought they were getting money pumped in from Branson? True, Spirit's profitable lately. Though I'm sure you're not speaking in terms of profit.
55 congaboy : The guy who works for HP, no. The guy who works for a small businss making hard goods, yes, absolutlely. Dont get hung up on defining the businss tra
56 LAXdude1023 : But NK isnt Southwest or Air Tran or Valujet. Theyre Sprit who nickle and dime for everything and by the time its all said and done, you pay almost a
57 congaboy : I hear ya, LAX, but i will try more detail. Business travelers, like airlines, are segmented. NK will attract some segments considered business trave
58 Squid : All of that is true, and all of that is "right now." Things can change and quickly, and even quicker with an airline as agile as Spirit has shown the
59 Pe@rson : Probably, but only those most price-elastic which, in Europe at least, are typically those that work for small businesses or are self-employed. But y
60 us330 : What are the schedules for the routes? If they are all like DFW-BOS, I have a hard time thinking NK will pull pax from AA.
61 Pe@rson : Been posted twice above. Alternatively, they are easily findable on NK's website. Of course, NK will want to stimulate new demand, thereby growing th
62 blink182 : Actually, and I clearly seem to be in the minority here, but that DFW-BOS schedule could be ideal for some. AA's schedules work well on DFW-BOS, but
63 longhauler : I am old enough to remember when all of the aviation experts were saying the same thing about Southwest.
64 Pe@rson : US A.netters seem obsessed by business passengers, hence posts like "Spirit may have to tweak their model a bit to capture more business revenue." No
65 Post contains links and images ramprat74 : The satellite had 9 mainline gates back in the day. They mostly put MD's and 737's there because of the ground level jetways. View Large View MediumPh
66 seatback : Which is why they haven't made a dime and probably won't be around in 5 years. I was thinking of when they have 50-60 flights a day as has been previ
67 Post contains images IrishAyes : Big Four haha. It's been over 10 years since there was a big 5 Well, when I mention different time, different era, you have to temper that with the c
68 Flytravel : That's if one can get rest on the flight. With the exception of the big front seat (which costs extra but can be purchased closer to the trip if avai
69 ckfred : I just wonder how smart DFW-ATL is. Unlike ORD-ATL, AA has been willing to battle DL on DFW-ATL. I don't think either carrier is going to take that on
70 Boiler905 : This is something I think about all the time. Although I wasn't old enough to remember the days when WN was bashed all the time, I've read the storie
71 gdg9 : Yikes - just 28 inches on the A320 according to SeatGuru. And I (6'3) was cramped on the AirTran 717 with 30 inch pitch.
72 Squid : I agree. What I think needs to be discussed is how the U.S. domestic market will continue to segment itself while the U.S. economy as a whole changes
73 congaboy : Sorry, didnt explain myself on this. Before WN graduated from regional status, they occupied the LCC niche for the DFW metroplex. You cant say that a
74 Post contains links LAXintl : Interesting that Spirit claiming "overwhelming" demand, will move up the launch of Orlando service to February 9, 2012 instead of originally planned M
75 atrude777 : The only problem I have about advertising the 9 Dollar Fare is it is NOT available to everyone. The 9 Dollar Fare is a club specific fare, and is not
76 Post contains images Pe@rson : I have found a number of fares that were $9 or less and for which I didn't need to be part of its $9 club. Indeed, I am presently looking at DFW-LAS-D
77 william : SWA can't be too happy about this. By the time Love opens up, Spirit should have at least 30 flights maybe more out of DFW and strong foothold.
78 Pe@rson : Some interesting bits about NK from yesterday's ATI. Here are some key stuff: "Spirit's management claims its internal evaluations in determining wher
79 dtwpilot225 : So whats is the long term plan then? Thats what confuses me about this airline and I am wondering how employees feel about it. They have had a lot of
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