emirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9625 times:
Whenever I fly, it seems like the flights are always 100% full in all cabins, in and out of JFK. Since the morning the flight is currently operated by a 777, wouldn't it make more sense to make both flights A380's? Especially because a first class passenger might want to take a shower before landing, b/c EK 203, and 204 both arrive at JFK, or DXB in the morning, while 202 and 201 arrive in the afternoon and evening. What I'm saying is, do you think EK would ever think about making JFK all A380? Or add another flight, making a total of 3 daily flights?
WestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1258 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9495 times:
Sounds like at the moment it's just a dispatching thing. It would probably be too tight to fit in an A380 on that route until they take another delivery or two.
Very rarely do I hear someone make 100% load factor sound like an issue
EK knows what they're doing, I am certain they have analyzed the hell out of this route. I'm assuming that they have calculated that the RASM over CASM on a 100% 77W is nominally more profitable than the RASM over CASM on a less than 100% A380.
WestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1258 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9448 times:
Quoting irshava (Reply 3): I think so too - I also think that they shouldn't have ordered the A350... it would've simplified their fleet if they phase out the A340s and A330s.. so just 777s and A380s... makes sense right?
Makes perfect sense...but I believe this is in part to relationship management with the supplier. By keeping a diverse fleet of Airbus types as opposed to just the one type (A380 in this case), EK can come to the bargaining table when brokering deals and say "Listen Airbus, we've been real good customers, what kind of deal can you cut us on our next order?"
I worked on a purchasing team in a non-av industry and this was a tactic we used to no end, almost always with success.
Usually though, when I try to book EK 203/204, they are hard to find seats on in any cabin! I feel that making these an A380 as well, would make them more money, as I feel they will both go out 100% full in every cabin.
I agree but its not like they ordered a whole lot of those A350s... its 70 (not a lot compared to the other orders) + Clark isn't happy with it right now... with all the mods and delays and not meeting initial expectations... Al Baker was pretty pissed about it too.
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Err. What? Only QR has ordered more than EK. Throw in options and EK might be ahead.
Exactly what YTZ said: QR ordered 80 (20 -800, 40 -900, 20 -1000) with no options, and EK ordered 70 (50 -900, 20 -1000) with 50 options. I'd have to say EADS is swooning over EK a little more at the moment. Although I do believe QR is the launch customer for the -900, please correct me if I'm wrong.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8570 times:
The answer is quite simple: Marketing.
The A380 is still a marketing tool for EK and they try to introduce it to as many markets as possible, with the most premium markets at the forefront. DXB-JFK requires two airplanes and leaves them with a rather nasty downtime, so by making one of the two daily flights a 77W EK can fly to two European destinations on the whale and can still boast A380 service into JFK. Also, the 77W has more cargo space but I expect EK to go 2x A380 and 1x 77F on the DXB-JFK in the immediate future, with the cargo flight most likely going through LGG.
usxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 830 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8419 times:
Btw I beg to differ that 201/202 are always full. When I did the flight, Economy was maybe 70%, business was at 66%, and First was barely 50%. You said you always book them, but your age is 13-15.... just wondering if that's an error in the profile or you selected the wrong age group? not many 13-15 year olds have $1800 sitting in the bank to buy tickets on EK on a regular basis...
flyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 997 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8276 times:
Quoting emirates202 (Thread starter): Whenever I fly, it seems like the flights are always 100% full in all cabins, in and out of JFK.
Quoting usxguy (Reply 16): You said you always book them, but your age is 13-15.... just wondering if that's an error in the profile or you selected the wrong age group? not many 13-15 year olds have $1800 sitting in the bank to buy tickets on EK on a regular basis...
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's on the flights every now and then (with his parents, probably), but odds are it will only be during school vacations. Pretty much every flight in the world is full at vacation time - it's the rest of the year that separates your good routes from your bad ones.
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I fly with my parents, or sometimes alone. I fly between NY and HYD about 5-6 times a year in first class. I don't always fly during vacation times. I recently flew in the end of October on EK 202, it was hard to even get 1 seat in business or first. And 201, same thing.
Also, my dad flys between New York and HYD about 15-20 times a year in J or F, and he also always has problems finding seats on the flights from JFK-DXB-JFK. True, I usually do fly during vacations, but I also fle during random times, like I recently went for a wedding in the end of October. The flight was definitely full in all cabins. I was in F- all 14 seats filled on EK202. J I could see was full, and the Crew said they were 100% full in Y as well.
I am currently able to check loads of EK flights and your observations seem fairly consistent with the numbers in the system. Not even close to the 100% mark you speak of, but good enough anyways.
However, as noted above, there is more to airplane scheduling than demand only. If you have less seats to sell, you can demand higher fares. The A380 also has less cargo space vis-a-vis the 77W. Both flights will eventually go A380 with a possible additional cargo-flight, but I can think of at least 6-7 other markets that EK wants to introduce the A380 to before upgauging the double JFK flight. It's a prestige thing and again, as said before, if you had to choose between serving two new stations with the A380 or just giving JFK the second one, especially since there will be more money to be made in these other markets (less saturated -> smaller chance of unsold or low yielding seats), you would not have to think twice about which route to go. For the record, the 6-7 markets I mention above are just personal suspicion. It may as well be one or twenty, but I have reason to assume it won't.
Edit: If you're back and forth between HYD and JFK that much, don't you think you live in the wrong place? Just wondering..
I live in NY, but I wouldn't want to live in HYD. lol. Just have family there- have lived and grown up in NY, and my dad has business there,+ lots and lots of weddings are the reasons for the many trips we take, as well as my dads business.