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AMR Unveils 777-300ER Details  
User currently offlineRising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 258 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30441 times:

http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsr...p?v_locale=en_US&v_mobileUAFlag=AA

"Arranged in a three-class cabin configuration, the new 777-300ER will provide the airline with more passenger and cargo capacity than any other aircraft in its fleet today. Customers will be welcomed into the aircraft by unique mood lighting. American will be the first carrier to use a dramatic archway and ceiling treatment on the 777-300 to create a feeling of spaciousness. A walk-up bar stocked with snacks and refreshments in the premium cabin will be a first for any U.S. airline and adds another unique element of luxury to the 777-300. Entertainment options including up to 120 movies, more than 150 TV programs and more than 350 audio selections will be offered throughout the aircraft. Also, every seat will feature individual 110 volt AC power outlets and USB jacks for charging personal electronic devices."

Looking forward to trying this baby out.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11120 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30431 times:

Lie-flat F, lie-flat J (all with aisle access), F/J bar, premium Y, AVOD/AC power/USB throughout.

Good move.

Now it's time to roll all of this (except the bar, probably) back to all the other 777s, 763s and international 757s ...

[Edited 2011-11-30 07:49:43]

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30357 times:

Quoting Rising (Thread starter):
"Arranged in a three-class cabin configuration, the new 777-300ER will provide the airline with more passenger and cargo capacity than any other aircraft in its fleet today. Customers will be welcomed into the aircraft by unique mood lighting. American will be the first carrier to use a dramatic archway and ceiling treatment on the 777-300 to create a feeling of spaciousness. A walk-up bar stocked with snacks and refreshments in the premium cabin will be a first for any U.S. airline and adds another unique element of luxury to the 777-300. Entertainment options including up to 120 movies, more than 150 TV programs and more than 350 audio selections will be offered throughout the aircraft. Also, every seat will feature individual 110 volt AC power outlets and USB jacks for charging personal electronic devices."

Looking forward to trying this baby out.

So, does this mean a 787-style interior for the 777?

Also, it looks like the IFE system is Panasonic, with Eco 9i monitors in Y.

[Edited 2011-11-30 07:50:36]


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30273 times:

A good move.

With the Transatlantic joint venture with BA they need fully flat in J. Hopefully a sign of things to come!


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30214 times:

I like how business is all normal compared to yesterday's bk filing.

Forget that major event yesterday that will reshape our whole airline...here's a shiny new plane in a nice new configuration for you to smile about


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30213 times:

Big improvements. Herringbone business class and premium economy are probably the most notable. Great to see a positive press release from AA the day after their bankruptcy announcement.

The press release leaves out what configuration premium and regular economy will be other than getting new seats.



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User currently offlinecrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30215 times:

This is interesting. It also says that there will be a new Flagship Suite in F class and, probably more importantly, lie flat seats in J class with every seat having aisle access. This has been rumoured for a while here on a.net. Also, it states that LHR will be the first market (I don't believe that this has ever been publicly stated...or has it?).

However, one thing that I am really dying to find out (that is not mentioned in the press release) is how many F seats these new planes will have. Many people here, including myself, believe that AA needs to drastically decrease its F cabin because 16 seats is simply too much and most of these seats are either going out empty or filled with nonrevs. It will be interesting to see what AA ultimately decides.


User currently offlineaa787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 30111 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Herringbone business class

I dont think we should assume that they are going with the Herringbone business class. IIRC their partner CX was none too happy with that configuration.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29988 times:

Quoting aa787 (Reply 7):
I dont think we should assume that they are going with the Herringbone business class. IIRC their partner CX was none too happy with that configuration.

Well, since all Business seats will have direct aisle access, it is safe to assume they will be herringbone considering the cabin width of the 777.

If I could make a wild guess on the model, perhaps I would guess AA might have selected the Weber Cirrus, considering AA has been a longtime Weber customer.



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User currently offlineRising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29985 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
I like how business is all normal compared to yesterday's bk filing.

Forget that major event yesterday that will reshape our whole airline...here's a shiny new plane in a nice new configuration for you to smile about

Now, more than ever, this is the time to be making improvements. Like all the other airlines that restructured before them, they are not going to stand still or destroy themselves by allowing deteriorating products and services.

The bankruptcy is not American's customer's fault or responsibility. Where companies fail is they begin to make it so. Looking forward to this as well as other exciting improvements down the pike.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11120 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29989 times:

Quoting crosswinds21 (Reply 6):
However, one thing that I am really dying to find out (that is not mentioned in the press release) is how many F seats these new planes will have. Many people here, including myself, believe that AA needs to drastically decrease its F cabin because 16 seats is simply too much and most of these seats are either going out empty or filled with nonrevs. It will be interesting to see what AA ultimately decides.

It doesn't say that, although I imagine the configuration is known and will trickle out relatively soon. And I agree that the configuration will almost certainly feature a much smaller F cabin - probably eight, which is a good number for two rows of four F suites across.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2948 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29946 times:

Quoting aa787 (Reply 7):

Agreed. I'm hoping for reverse herringbone like CX's new business class and DL's planned new product for their 744s.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29907 times:

This news is a bit frustrating. Lie flat in J, thumbs up. New Flagship Suite, another thumbs up. But while AA has the opportunity to be bold and create a true Premium Economy with an upgraded seat, they go for the extra legroom version instead. And aren't these articulated Y seats the same as the highly despised seats that CX bought and are replacing after only a couple of years? (The last news I could find about that plan was October 2010 on Bloomberg.)


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User currently offlineiloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29591 times:

What I find the most interesting about this news is that they plan to have Wi-Fi throughout the aircraft. That, combined with power ports at every seat, will be a winning combination. A lot of airlines have Wi-Fi now, but not many have power ports at every seat, especially among US carries; this will give AA a competitive advantage. Very wise move.

When is the first 77W scheduled to be delivered to AA? Anyone know the delivery schedule? Thanks!


User currently offlinekhpn From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29410 times:

Quoting iloveboeing (Reply 13):
What I find the most interesting about this news is that they plan to have Wi-Fi throughout the aircraft. That, combined with power ports at every seat, will be a winning combination. A lot of airlines have Wi-Fi now, but not many have power ports at every seat, especially among US carries; this will give AA a competitive advantage. Very wise move.

AGREED!!


On a related note, have there been any mock up pictures published?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29218 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
This news is a bit frustrating. Lie flat in J, thumbs up. New Flagship Suite, another thumbs up. But while AA has the opportunity to be bold and create a true Premium Economy with an upgraded seat, they go for the extra legroom version instead. And aren't these articulated Y seats the same as the highly despised seats that CX bought and are replacing after only a couple of years? (The last news I could find about that plan was October 2010 on Bloomberg.)

I don't think so; I presume these are the Weber 5751s that AA has been installing on their new config 738s and 752s. The Weber 5751's seat bottom moves forward when it reclines, however, the seat back still moves as well, just not as much as with older seats.

Also, the Y seats will have Eco 9i monitors, and the only seats that the Eco 9i are available with include the Weber 5751 and the B/E Aerospace Pinnacle.

[Edited 2011-11-30 08:38:21]


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User currently offlinecsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1424 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29021 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4):
I like how business is all normal compared to yesterday's bk filing.

Forget that major event yesterday that will reshape our whole airline...here's a shiny new plane in a nice new configuration for you to smile about

I flew AA yesterday and it was business as usual from what I saw. None of the agents at RSW mentioned it and none of the flight crew mentioned it. However I did get emails from both AA and AA Rewards about it though, basically stating it will be business as usual despite the filing.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29020 times:

It's not the seats or the IFE. It's about the proper ratio of F/J/Y.

DFW/MIA are nice but they're no LHR/NRT. If AA does the same old thing and pull a 18 F / 50 J then they're definitely shooting themselves in the foot.

Otherwise the only thing that would enable is high availability for mileage redemptions and SWU that are worse yielding than a paying Y passenger by the time you factor in the increased per seat floor space and service level of F/J. Either that, or dirt cheap J fares to chase load factor while sacrificing RASM.

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):

Lie-flat F, lie-flat J (all with aisle access), F/J bar, premium Y, AVOD/AC power/USB throughout.

That's really only bringing themselves up to par, not industry leading. The stocked-bar is nothing to brag about considering VS has an actual bar with bar stools, Qatar has a lounge for First class, SQ has a double-wide bed, and EK has showers. The state-of-the-art for first class TV screen is already 23", so 17" is already behind even before they began.


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 975 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 28980 times:

The order is now up to 10 aircraft. I thought it was 8? When did AA add the other two?

If it is the Weber Cirrus seat, it seems AA may be going with an enhanced version. I don't think the current seats have a motor at the headrest.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11120 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 28901 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
But while AA has the opportunity to be bold and create a true Premium Economy with an upgraded seat, they go for the extra legroom version instead.

They're moving to what United and Delta offer, which I think is perfectly adequate for where the market is today.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):
I don't think so; I presume these are the Weber 5751s that AA has been installing on their new config 738s and 752s. The Weber 5751's seat bottom moves forward when it reclines, however, the seat back still moves as well, just not as much as with older seats.

Agreed. I suspect these will be the same Y seats as on the new AA 737s, which everyone else seems to hate, I guess, but which I actually really like.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 17):
It's not the seats or the IFE. It's about the proper ratio of F/J/Y.

DFW/MIA are nice but they're no LHR/NRT. If AA does the same old thing and pull a 18 F / 50 J then they're definitely shooting themselves in the foot.

Obviously.

I think all agree that AA needs a smaller F cabin, which I suspect is exactly where they are headed on the new 777s, as well as on the old 777s when they get reconfigured, which I suspect they will.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 17):
That's really only bringing themselves up to par, not industry leading. The stocked-bar is nothing to brag about considering VS has an actual bar with bar stools, Qatar has a lounge for First class, SQ has a double-wide bed, and EK has showers. The state-of-the-art for first class TV screen is already 23", so 17" is already behind even before they began.

The reality is that AA need not be competitive with Singapore, Emirates and Qatar because AA is never going to be able to command the revenue premium those airlines do. No point in wasting their time and money trying. Better to try and focus on getting a product that is sufficiently competitive with their more immediate direct competitors, which I think this cabin sounds like it will do perfectly well.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 28863 times:

Another question is with a premium economy, will AA go the direction of some airlines like KLM and Air New Zealand and switch regular economy to 10 abreast?


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28783 times:

Sounds all very intersting anf I look forward to seeing the layout.

I think thry have to go with a smaller F class, 8 tops. Disappointed they are going with the herringbone in J but with lie flats its going to be a great improvment overall.

After yesterdays news, this is positive stuff.

I wonder if its a hit and with many having gone that route if UA and DL will offer a bar/snack area in F/J in time. I would like to think so.


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 975 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28661 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
The reality is that AA need not be competitive with Singapore, Emirates and Qatar because AA is never going to be able to command the revenue premium those airlines do. No point in wasting their time and money trying. Better to try and focus on getting a product that is sufficiently competitive with their more immediate direct competitors, which I think this cabin sounds like it will do perfectly well.

I don't know. AA has been doing quite a bit to enhance its profile with its most premium passengers. That stuff just never gets covered here because many here don't have access to those services.

My partner is a CK/EP with American and I can tell you that AA does some really amazing things for him. He raved about the new Flagship Check-in at LAX, comparing it to his experiences with Etihad.

As to the standard, I think it is more BA than UA and Delta. For the TA JV to really work to AA's benefit, the entire TA network has to be metal neutral in the customer's mind. Already, AA has introduced turndown service in F. And, now with the new products, AA business gives you something BA business doesn't, direct aisle access. I expect the changes to the F Suite will also make it more comparable to the BA suite, with a more exclusive privacy shell, better lighting and better finishes.

[Edited 2011-11-30 09:12:17]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28436 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
They're moving to what United and Delta offer, which I think is perfectly adequate for where the market is today.

  

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 22):
As to the standard, I think it is more BA than UA and Delta. For the TA JV to really work to AA's benefit, the entire TA network has to be metal neutral in the customer's mind.

  

A poster on Flyertalk from Texas who buys a lot of WT+ tickets on BA is already asking if the PE configuration is "Gerard's parting shot." AA should have taken the step to be on par with their peers in oneworld, BA, JAL, and QF. Let's just hope these planes don't get nicknamed the AArpeyShip straight onto the ramp.



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28440 times:

I think AA has done a fine job with the order & configuration.

On what routes will these new 77Ws be deployed?

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
Now it's time to roll all of this (except the bar, probably) back to all the other 777s, 763s and international 757s ...

I agree with this. If it is cost feasible (which it may not be) it would prolong the life of the other aircraft


25 aacun : For what I have heard, its 8 seats or around there in FC....... Half of its present size
26 AA777223 : I caught this too! I think this is a subtle 2 new plane order announcement. Does anyone else catch this as a surprise. Maybe LDV and I were just in t
27 AA1818 : AA has really quietly built up it's order! Congrats to AA and Boeing. AA1818
28 hiflyer : IMHO all part of the prepackaged chap 11 pr that amr hopes calms concerns on the state of the carrier.....it's a good move to drop these bit by bit in
29 crAAzy : Great news, although not really much of a secret around here. Can't wait to hear more details and see some pictures. LHR makes sense as the first rout
30 commavia : I agree - absolutely. I, too, find that on balance AA does better at delivering on my value proposition than most other airlines I've flown. Not perf
31 crAAzy : Agreed! It's also interesting to note that the release says that the new 77Ws are going to start being delivered in 2012. Previously, the first deliv
32 RoseFlyer : Yes I've heard 4th quarter 2012. Quick replacements require capital and lots of it. I agree flat business is a necessity as all their competitors are
33 pnd100 : IMHO, I think that ORD-LHR would prove the best for the introduction of the 77W. Following LHR will inevitably be China but I think sending this flag
34 Post contains images Tdan : Hmmm, if this is true and it's herringbone in Business Class, methinks it's an 8F57C238Y configuration similar to CX only with 2 more F suites. Rearr
35 mogandoCI : AA puts 16F in their 772 while SQ only has 12F in their A380, which is nearly twice the floor place. If anything, AA is over-competing. ps : DFW-HKG
36 commavia : Again - you're preaching to the choir here. Nobody is arguing that F16 makes sense, and everyone agrees it's on its way out. F8 makes way more sense,
37 Post contains images United727 : Possibly a bit off topic, but first, how is this bar concept different from those found on the original B747's decades ago? Second, seeing that Boein
38 gigneil : Its a second, but its still a nice one. I like the little snack area United has on like IAD-FCO and the ORD longhaul routes. Its just snacks, but it g
39 jfk777 : IF AA does have a 777-300ER with Lie Flat Busniess Class seats, its sounds good and its about time, what took AA so Long ? IF AA does seating like the
40 LAXdude1023 : You said the same thing about SYD-DFW, yet its still here and its increasing. DFW-HKG is a much larger market than DFW-BNE or DFW-SYD. With hubs on b
41 SonomaFlyer : If the route is a joint venture with CX, this would be a no-brainer. Even without it being a full joint venture, American has enough of a network to
42 brilondon : This is good news for AA. I was looking around the AA site and the site has a 787 pictured on its site as a future aircraft, I guess it might have the
43 mah4546 : As I mentioned yesterday, I am told the seat is the Sicma Cirrus. But given that AA hasn't even said what seat it is, that makes me suspect that a dec
44 LAXdude1023 : More than anything, the 763 would need a new Y seat.
45 AAExecPlat : What kind of fantasy world do you live in? They have a fortress hub on one end and a partner OW hub at the other end with massive demand. Right now,
46 Post contains images BMIFlyer : It's called PR - basically AA trying to make themselves look good
47 1337Delta764 : Which is identical to the Weber Cirrus (both Weber and Sicma are owned by Zodiac Aerospace). US Airways has the Sicma-branded version, while DL is ge
48 dirtyfrankd : I respectfully disagree with this statement. I definitely agree that they should roll this out to all of the other 777s, but I wouldn't bother rollin
49 StuckInCA : To the customer it should appear "normal." Maybe even better. Now is not the time to stop trying.
50 Carfield : As an AA three million flyer, I am happy that AA has finally updated its business class cabin with a lie flat seat and every seat will have aisle acce
51 Viscount724 : Highly unlikely considering their transatlantic joint venture partner BA is 9-abreast, and I just can't see AA wanting to be the only US carrier with
52 USAirALB : Which is the exact same model US has. However, US does not have a motorized headrest built into these seats, let alone a headrest at all, so maybe AA
53 1337Delta764 : Yes, AA's current J seats were made by Recaro (the CL 6510 model, to be exact), who also made the Y seats on the MD-80s, 772ERs, and old config 738s
54 LDVAviation : The press release indicates the new F suite will be an updated version of the current seat. I am thinking --- brand new seat, brand new shell, brand
55 qqflyboy : I tried for the life of me to pull up a thread I started in the last couple of months with the delivery schedule, but alas the most recent post of mi
56 pnd100 : What about ORD-HKG? Would this be a good idea with the 77W for AA? I believe that partner CX flies the route with the same equipment.
57 SonomaFlyer : They likely don't need that much capacity on this route since it should already be a joint venture with CX.
58 Post contains images crAAzy : Yup, you're right. It was only a few years ago that I could remember all my flight times and numbers for the whole year, now I can't even remember th
59 pnd100 : Yeah that makes sense. The idea of connecting Oneworld hubs got me thinking. I already suggested LHR from ORD but that may be saturated. I doubt they
60 rafabozzolla : Staggered also provides direct aisle access. Why is everybody assuming herringbone?
61 liftsifter : One thing I want to know, is what Y seat they will be using. Recaro maybe? They have a very nice Y and Y+ seat that would work well with the eco 9i..
62 1337Delta764 : The Eco 9i isn't available with Recaro, only the Weber 5751 and B/E Aerospace Pinnacle. The Eco 9i cannot simply be retrofitted to any seat that supp
63 cslusarc : True, but on a 777 staggered seating that provides direct aisle access would have a really low seating density. Just ask NH. if AA implemented a 1-2-
64 1337Delta764 : It seems strange that AA would choose the Sicma version (made in France) over the Weber version (made in USA). Both versions are identical. When US A
65 triple7man : Yes, that is the first thing I wanted to know when I saw this yesterday. I have always wondered if the number of seats in first class will be decreas
66 Post contains images Markam : Are these the seats that LA has installed on their A340s? If so, they are really really good, and eliminate the everlasting "to recline or not to rec
67 SKAirbus : Welcome to the club AA! Only 5 years late....
68 RWA380 : This won't be the first time a US carrier has offered a walk up bar, many carriers intially 747's often had bars and lounges in the upper deck.; Bran
69 Post contains links laca773 : Business Traveller's website has announced AA informed them they will be launching there new 77W and products on the LHR route. They were not told whi
70 LipeGIG : Good to see AA upgrading their product ! Any route to LHR using 772 will be the best to introduce the 77W, and in my view JFK-LHR will be the first to
71 LAXdude1023 : The nice thing about the 77W coming on board is that it will also free up more 772's to fly missions where 763's currently are.
72 AA767400 : Here's the delivery schedule for AA's 77W: 7LA Nov-12 7LB Dec-12 7LC Jan-13 7LD Mar-13 7LE Apr-13 7LF May-13 7LG Jun-13 7LH Jul-13 And some more info
73 Viscount724 : Most early 707s and virtually all early DC-8s also had a first class lounge with about 6 seats as did many L-188 Electras. And going back further, th
74 Post contains images United727 : Hummm....Please refer to Post 38 However, this was before my time... Thanks for the education, maybe the people at AA responsible for the "PR", as me
75 ikramerica : I was too young to use the bars, but I do remember as a little kid the piano bars, falling asleep in the 747 bubble lounge, "buffet" lunches on trans
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