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Retirement Age Of FAs In USA  
User currently offlineasianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

Just out of curiousity, is there a National retirement age for FAs in the USA? I recall reading about FAs who are even over 80 years old on legacy US carriers, something I don't really understand. If there is a general national retirement age, then should not FAs be subject to that too? I know in the US its illegal to discriminate against but what about discriminating for? No offense to anyone I am just trying to understand this sensitive issue. As I have also read that at some European airlines retirement for FAs ranges between 55-60.

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User currently offlineGALLEYSTEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

There is NO national "general" retirement age for most occupations in the US. Should there be?? I think , yes. That being said, I have a friend who is 67 and still one of the best flight attendants you could ever have on your airplane. She brings her own flowers, decorates up the first class cabin, and really goes all out to please her passengers. AND she looks pretty damn smart in her uniform.


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8387 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6295 times:
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In the USA there are some FA in their 80's, these ladies love what they do and as long as they pass their flight physicals they can keep their jobs.

User currently offlinesaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
In the USA there are some FA in their 80's, these ladies love what they do and as long as they pass their flight physicals they can keep their jobs.


There is no flight physical for F/As and the recurrent training is not very physically demanding, if at all. I do not want an 80 year old F/A evacuating the airplane in an emergency. There should either be stringent physical exams or recurrent training or there should be a mandatory retirement age.

Just my opinion.



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User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 571 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Quoting GALLEYSTEW (Reply 1):
AND she looks pretty damn smart in her uniform.

Well... she mustn't work for UA then...

Quoting GALLEYSTEW (Reply 1):
I have a friend who is 67

... hang on, maybe she does work for UA...

I've hardly ever experienced anything but OLD, frumpy, GRUMPY attendants on UA Aus vv US...


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

Quoting asianguy767 (Thread starter):
If there is a general national retirement age, then should not FAs be subject to that too?

When people speak about a "retirement age" in the United States, what they mean is eligibility for retirement benefits, e.g., Social Security, not an age when people are required to retire. Federal law does mandate a retirement age for certain professions where advancing age is alleged to be a safety issue, most notably the mandatory retirement age for commercial airline pilots. However, implementation of such rules require legislation and given all the other pressing issues in the U.S. today it seems unlikely anyone would make a priority out of the age of flight attendants although, as saab2000 points out, one could make the case that there are potential safety issues involved with the physical condition of flight attendants.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12589 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
these ladies

... and gents ...  
Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 5):
one could make the case that there are potential safety issues involved with the physical condition of flight attendants

Personally I think there should be a mandatory retirement age for this reason.

However, realistically, there is still only one FA per 50 pax in general, so I'm not counting on one of them to chuck my ass out of a burning plane.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2830 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
In the USA there are some FA in their 80's, these ladies love what they do and as long as they pass their flight physicals they can keep their jobs.

Some of them do and some of them don't. There are no required physical exams for flight attendants.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
However, realistically, there is still only one FA per 50 pax in general, so I'm not counting on one of them to chuck my ass out of a burning plane.

The regulators are, though.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Quoting asianguy767 (Thread starter):
is there a National retirement age for FAs in the USA?

408.  



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

There is a mandatory retirement age for pilots, and air traffic controllers. I think FAs should also have more stringent physical fitness requirements and duty time regulations comparable to pilots. The last thing I want is to fly with an 80yr old FA who is working a 16+hr duty day and having to deal with an emergency situation.


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User currently offlineDFW36L From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 89 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Valerie is 105 years old!


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

I flew with one NWA FA who must have been with them 55+ years. She said when she started at NW, she was flying Stratocruisers and DC-6s across the Pacific to HNL and Asia.

She had some great stories. You can probably find her on the SEA-HNL route, unless she's retired.


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 681 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5332 times:
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I have a dear friend who is still flying, after being hired in 1959 at age 22. A widowed grandmother who is fit and attractive, she is one of the most professional and personable people you'll ever meet. She treats passengers like guest's in her home and if there is any question she can handle an emergency with fitness and agility.....she completed the Disney Marathon this year and recently BEAT ME competing in a beach race and obstacle course to win her age division. Don't underestimate the abilities based solely on an age....in recurrent she can toss an exit window across the floor!
It would be a shame to make this woman retire.........she loves her job, is proud of her Company and looks damn good in her uniform.....she is teased that walking behind her in a concourse, in her high heels and uniform, she looks like a hot young "hostess" from 1960!



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User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1635 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 4):
I've hardly ever experienced anything but OLD, frumpy, GRUMPY attendants on UA Aus vv US...

Some of the best crews I've encountered in all my travels are NYC, SEA, HNL and LAX based crews on UA. The single worst flight I have encountered in terms of service was a horrible flight on SQ where literally every single cabin crew I dealt with spat such horrendous attitude at passengers. And this was in Business Class.

Point being, it's unfair to generalize an entire airline's crew contingent.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 12):

I have a dear friend who is still flying, after being hired in 1959 at age 22. A widowed grandmother who is fit and attractive, she is one of the most professional and personable people you'll ever meet. She treats passengers like guest's in her home and if there is any question she can handle an emergency with fitness and agility.....she completed the Disney Marathon this year and recently BEAT ME competing in a beach race and obstacle course to win her age division. Don't underestimate the abilities based solely on an age....in recurrent she can toss an exit window across the floor!

Born in 1937? I mean, that's old but not like terribly old to be an f/a.

I flew EWR-SLC one time and was served dinner by an ex Pan Am f/a working the route. She had to be well into her 70s.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):
I flew EWR-SLC one time and was served dinner by an ex Pan Am f/a working the route.

There was an ex-Pan Am FA on my DTW-MSP flight a few months ago. He said he worked for them for 8 years before going to NWA. He said he always wears his Pan Am tie clip.


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4987 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 11):
I flew with one NWA FA who must have been with them 55+ years. She said when she started at NW, she was flying Stratocruisers and DC-6s across the Pacific to HNL and Asia.

She had some great stories. You can probably find her on the SEA-HNL route, unless she's retired.

if its who I'm thinking of, then she is still flying. She flies mostly SEA-PEK. There was only one FA from the Stratocruiser days who is still based here in SEA.



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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

According to the newest seniority list, the #1 at NW was hired in 1951 and the #1 at DL was hired in 1959. In fact, the top 4 at the new DL are PMNW. Conversely, the most junior @ NW was hired in 2008, while DL hired in 2010-2011.


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User currently offlineb727fa From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting DFW36L (Reply 10):
Valerie is 105 years old!

Who knew FA's could live to that age in captivity? (I got your reference!)



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 15):
There was an ex-Pan Am FA on my DTW-MSP flight a few months ago. He said he worked for them for 8 years before going to NWA. He said he always wears his Pan Am tie clip.

There were a ton of ex- Pan Am f/a's that went to DL in the early 1990s. Going to NW from Pan Am seems a bit more rare. Great how he wears the tie clip!



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8387 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
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Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 19):
There were a ton of ex- Pan Am f/a's that went to DL in the early 1990s. Going to NW from Pan Am seems a bit more rare. Great how he wears the tie clip

The Pan Am FA's at Delta went with the sale of PA divisions DL purchased, so those numbers are large. NW never purchased any of PA business so that is one employee changing jobs of his/her own.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3708 times:

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 3):
There is no flight physical for F/As and the recurrent training is not very physically demanding, if at all. I do not want an 80 year old F/A evacuating the airplane in an emergency. There should either be stringent physical exams or recurrent training or there should be a mandatory retirement age.

Exactly... I don't expect F/As to have the physical abilities of Olympic athletes but they should be able to, and demonstrate the ability, to operate aircraft doors without power assist, lift life rafts, open, lift and throw overwing window exits weighing 50 pounds and perform self defense maneuvers. Most F/As don't even open or close aircraft doors during normal operations. The only time they operate them is once a year during recurrent and even then they don't experience the force required to open a door after a crash landing where the power assist has failed.

Now I don't expect F/As to be ninjas however F/As are required to physically block access and defend the flight deck during normal operations when the pilots need to enter or exit for things like crew rest or lavatory visits. How is an F/A, who wont help pax with their bags for fear of being injured, suppose to physically defend the flight deck against aggressive attackers?



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3697 times:

This argument has been had over and over again.

Someone needs to point out how the young and agile SQ Flight Attendants reacted in the SQ006 crash.

Age doesn't really matter all that much - you can't judge what a Flight Attendant can do in an emergency until they are in an emergency - take the US1549 crew, they weren't spring chickens but did an amazing job.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3658 times:

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 22):
Someone needs to point out how the young and agile SQ Flight Attendants reacted in the SQ006 crash.

Age doesn't really matter all that much - you can't judge what a Flight Attendant can do in an emergency until they are in an emergency - take the US1549 crew, they weren't spring chickens but did an amazing job.

  I don't think age should determine whether or not someone can be an F/A there just need to be stricter physical standards. I don't know if it's because of the unions or fear of a discrimination lawsuit but airlines seem to turn a blind eye to F/As who are clearly physically illequipped to handle an emergency.



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User currently offlineYokoTsuno From Singapore, joined Feb 2011, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3601 times:

Quoting asianguy767 (Thread starter):
I know in the US its illegal to discriminate against but what about discriminating for?

I work a lot in Europe and my experience is that institutional discrimination is much harder to pull off in 'Western countries' than it is here. In Singapore and probably the region in general you'll find a fair percentage of the population in favour of airlines hiring young good looking people as a justification for 'being competitive'.

Your question ultimately boils down to mentality differences in perception what is socially acceptable in the US /EU/AUS and here. A while ago I read a story in the Straits Times about miners earning a 6-figure salary that made me see red jealousy.
Ask yourself the question would such thing happen in Singapore?


25 AR385 : Exactly. I do not care wether I have a nice looking, sexy, young FA working my section. Most of my flying is work related and is usually 12+hrs long
26 1stfl94 : Then again, apparently the most junior FA on US1549 had 15 years experience. In my experience in the US, it's actually the middle aged FAs, that have
27 delta2ual : I agree with you. It seems each year during recurrent training, we had F/A's who were "helped" through the training. I'm not being discriminatory, bu
28 Flighty : In general, the goal of having "young and sexy" especially female F/As would reinforce the idea that women in the workplace are mainly valuable for th
29 blueflyer : I've had some of my best domestic flying in the USA with well-aged crews from CO and US. I had one of my worst TATL crossing last week with an entire
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