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AA Withdraws From Boise  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 46
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14694 times:

Earlier this year (April) as part of its LAX Eagle buildup AA commenced service to Boise.

Yesterday staff was notified the route and station will be dropped effective February 9th, 2012.

I guess AA flyers can go back to utilizing Alaska to access to the market via places like SEA/PDX.

Suppose GDS will be updated over the coming weekend.

[Edited 2011-12-01 11:21:44]


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User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14564 times:

Legacies like CO and AA have found quite hard to establish themselves in BOI. One must admit it's a limited market. Even DL tried to make it work from ATL.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14462 times:

I believe Southwest is pulling down some routes as of January as well. One wonders if that will/would be an opportunity for a Delta to try Atlanta service again.


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User currently offlinetrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14157 times:

I wonder if there is a list floating around yet of the cities that are going to get dropped.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13902 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
I believe Southwest is pulling down some routes as of January as well. One wonders if that will/would be an opportunity for a Delta to try Atlanta service again.

BOI is well connected to the DL network over SLC and MSP. If anything they could increase capacity on MSP-BOI.

ATL-BOI is a long-and-thin route that gains very minimal connectivity for the majority of demand over MSP or SLC.


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13864 times:
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A bit of a shame on the AA route map, but I always thought it was a bit of an odd route anyway. Especially since BOI-DFW didn't work.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13658 times:

Quoting trigged (Reply 3):
I wonder if there is a list floating around yet of the cities that are going to get dropped.

At least I can take comfort knowing that they can't possibly cut more routes from SJC or SEA. They've already pretty much gutted SJC back to a minor station and cut all but a few destinations from SEA.


User currently offlineFilipair From United States of America, joined May 2010, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12476 times:

Just goes to show how weak AA is in the NW/Mountain West. I wonder how many more of these kinds of reductions will happen across the network as a result of filing for BK...

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2689 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11191 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 1):
Legacies like CO and AA have found quite hard to establish themselves in BOI.

Except that UA serves BOI from ORD, DEN, LAX & SFO...


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 1):
Legacies like CO and AA have found quite hard to establish themselves in BOI. One must admit it's a limited market. Even DL tried to make it work from ATL.

It's a fairly long route which returned marginal payouts and would tie up an 32S/737 all day. They are doing pretty well with the station out of SLC as of late, sitting at 5x on peak travel days (2x 320, 2x CR9, 1x CRJ). I suppose they could re-time the daylight mainline a/c to tie into ATL, doing something like XXX-SLC-BOI-ATL but it wouls still take an aircraft and a half. Not to mention the connection opportunities through MSP.



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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

I can't say this is too much of a surprise. It's one of the few stations that only sees service to LAX, and the others are all in CA or HI. Twice a day on E140's, I think this one was coming even without the bankruptcy filing.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting Filipair (Reply 7):
I wonder how many more of these kinds of reductions will happen across the network as a result of filing for BK

I've been wondering how PDX will fare even though we're mainline instead of Eagle.

We lost Chicago flights a few years ago, St. Louis rather quickly when it was de-hubbed, the red-eye to DFW was cancelled a couple of years ago, and of course we lost whatever was left of AirCal and RenoAir long ago. I remember flying AA to Boston in the summer of 2003 via STL, and the AA check-in counters were just heaving early in the morning with flights heading south and east. Now we're down to just 4x/day to DFW, with the last flight departing at 2:55pm. All MD-80s, of course.



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User currently offlineah414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Wow...the BOI market must be performing really badly with the numerous cuts over the past several years.

AS mainline pulled out several years back in favor of QX Q400s, then QX dropped LAX, GEG, and IDA service.

F9 has dropped service to seasonal only.

WN is dropping SLC, RNO and SEA.

CO/XJ dropped IAH.

GQ went Out of business.

The majority of UA and DL flights are now CRJ equipment

And now this? Ouch for BOI!


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

There are clearly people in the Boise area but its not a tourist market or a major business market to help boost it enough to support these services? It almost seems like BOI should do better than it does its too bad to loose all those WN cities but AA is a whole airline to provide pricing pressure and connections in the West is now gone. Bad loss for BOI every airline helps to provide pricing pressure.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11413 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 10):
I can't say this is too much of a surprise. It's one of the few stations that only sees service to LAX, and the others are all in CA or HI. Twice a day on E140's, I think this one was coming even without the bankruptcy filing.

I agree - while unfortunate, not entirely unexpected. From the beginning, this always sounded like one of the more far-fetched of the new LAX Eagle routes.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
I've been wondering how PDX will fare even though we're mainline instead of Eagle.


I think Portland is too big a market not to serve, albeit I doubt Portland will ever again see anything besides mainline to DFW, and possibly - possibly - the return of a seasonal Chicago. My guess would be that as the MD80s draw down, Portland will move to three 737s to DFW, with possibly a seasonal fourth in the summer.

Quoting ah414211 (Reply 12):
Wow...the BOI market must be performing really badly with the numerous cuts over the past several years.

I'm not sure if it's that the Boise market in general is performing badly. I think what it shows it that, like many of the Pacific Northwest markets between Denver/Salt Lake City and Portland/Seattle, Boise was too small to support much flying to hubs outside its general region - either nonstop to Rocky Mountain hubs or Pacific Northwest hubs. Boise has a few nonstop flights outside of short-haul hub markets - to California, Minneapolis, Chicago, etc. - but not many.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

Quoting Filipair (Reply 7):
Just goes to show how weak AA is in the NW/Mountain West.
AA has had two attempts at making a niche for themselves on the west coast, capitalizing on a growing area in San Jose, kind of seemed a recepie for success, AA screwed it up TWICE. Just a shame two good carriers went away because of them. I wonder if AirCal and/or Reno Air had continued flying if they had not been bought and dismantled, it's not like AA even competed with those carriers, it's llke they killed just for the sport of it. Would AS have become as predominant on the west coast as they have become?

Other than the short lived SEA-NRT M11, which subsequently spawned flight on AA from SEA to MIA, JFK, BOS along with the usual fare to DFW, ORD & STL when hubbed. AA's service to the NW has been unimpressive. Did like their PDX-EUG flights on 727's tho, most of the flights to the NW were M80's except those trans-cons that operated connections from the NRT flight, and a few seasonal 757's from DFW & STL.

[Edited 2011-12-02 03:37:17]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11413 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
AA has had two attempts at making a niche for themselves on the west coast, capitalizing on a growing area in San Jose, kind of seemed a recepie for success, AA screwed it up TWICE.

It was, in both cases, the hubris of thinking that AA could come in with substantially higher costs but be able to generate substantially higher revenue to offset those costs because of ultimately-allusive network synergies. After each acquisition, the costs went up, but the revenue never did.

Thus why, despite multiple attempts - not just from AA, but also Delta and USAirways - to buy into the West Coast market, it has now been left largely to a mix of United and Southwest, which seems like about the right equilibrium for the region: one global network carrier with a huge hub (San Francisco) and one a massive domestic/regional carrier with tons of flights and lower costs/fares.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
Just a shame two good carriers went away because of them. I wonder if AirCal and/or Reno Air had continued flying if they had not been bought and dismantled, it's not like AA even competed with those carriers, it's llke they killed just for the sport of it.

I doubt either of those airlines would have survived long-term. Neither, in my view, had the critical mass to have survived long-term up against the carrier that naturally came to dominate their main markets: Southwest.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

BOI is only down 1% y-o-y and according to the airport authority all but the WN Reno service is being made up by increased frequencies from the other carriers.

It looks like they could use non-stop service to SAN.

http://www.cityofboise.org/Departmen...wsletter/ConnectionsSummer2011.pdf

"After the Southwest announcement, Alaska announced that they would increase non- stop service to Seattle with two additional frequencies effective January 8, 2012."

Also interesting that AA has a market share in BOI of just 0.97%, not surprising they are looking to leave.

However, it would have been nice if AA would have competed with UA on the ORD flight. I always end up on full planes paying fairly high fares, connections to the east coast markets are the bigger issue for BOI.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 10):
I can't say this is too much of a surprise. It's one of the few stations that only sees service to LAX, and the others are all in CA or HI. Twice a day on E140's, I think this one was coming even without the bankruptcy filing.

I agree.
I do not think you can call this the first casualty of the BK.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Now with the BK, what's your thoughts on possible growth in New England Comm? I was speculating we could see 2x daily S80 service to PVD.


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3381 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
it has now been left largely to a mix of United and Southwest,

and Alaska......



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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7285 times:

I do wonder if LAX will continue to see more route cutbacks. I thought the recent build-up of AE service to places such as ABQ, DEN, RNO, SMF, and TUS seemed a bit over exuberant on the part of AMR. They are the 4th competitor in the LAX-DEN market. I can see core AE LAX markets like MRY, SAN, and SBA surviving, but I do question how long the more recent additions will fare throughout the restructuring. Ditto for lone frequencies on AA metal to places like BWI and EWR...


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

Earlier this year (April) as part of its LAX Eagle buildup AA commenced service to Boise.

Yesterday staff was notified the route and station will be dropped effective February 9th, 2012.

I guess AA flyers can go back to utilizing Alaska to access to the market via places like SEA/PDX.

Suppose GDS will be updated over the coming weekend.

There will be a lot more of this coming as the ERJs get sent home to the warm sand of the desert.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
BOI is well connected to the DL network over SLC and MSP. If anything they could increase capacity on MSP-BOI.

ATL-BOI is a long-and-thin route that gains very minimal connectivity for the majority of demand over MSP or SLC.

Agreed. BOI-MSP did well LF-wise for NW (yes, I know that doesn't always equal good yield). DEN aside, I also thought we were the only east bound traffic out of there. Didn't realize UA still served ORD?

ATL might be nice, but as noted, it's too long/thin. I also think a lot of the connections possible from there would involve backtracking.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
I've been wondering how PDX will fare even though we're mainline instead of Eagle.

Same here.

Quoting commavia (Reply 14):
Portland will move to three 737s to DFW, with possibly a seasonal fourth in the summer.

I think this is probably accurate, though I wonder if either one of them-or the 4th seasonal- would be the red-eye?



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11413 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 23):
I think this is probably accurate, though I wonder if either one of them-or the 4th seasonal- would be the red-eye?

Maybe.

I think the three that are likely the safest, because of the way the schedule works out both to and from DFW, would be the ~0600, 1130 and 1500 PDX departures. That hypothetical fourth seasonal flight could be the ~2345 redeye, but more likely would be the other PDX RON, the ~0830.


25 jmc1975 : It'll probably be back but in the form of BOI-PHX from US.
26 SJUSXM : AA has been on LAX-DEN for quite a while, this wasn't part of the April expansion of last year. The change was from 2x MQ ER4's and 2x AA M80's to al
27 slcdeltarumd11 : AE seems to be doing well on SLC-LAX but i dont know how the other recent adds are doing. I have heard LAX-ASE is looking good also but its way to ear
28 ridgid727 : US allready serves that route twice a day.
29 RWA380 : I remember flying into BOI fairly regularly, have done QX SWM, F-27, F-28, CRJ, Q 200/400, Dorniers... WN 733 ..... DL CRJ, And once Air Oregon SWM st
30 KWBL : Too bad about this route. I really would like to see AA increase their presence in the NW but now they just have PDX and SEA. I have always found it o
31 BoeingGuy : I don't recall AS ever having much mainline at BOI. They've tried it for a short time on a few occasion, but not sure AS ever served BOI long-term. A
32 FutureUScapt : On that same day, AA (Eagle) will also be ending DFW-FAY and ORD-YYC. DFW-FAY is currently served 2x daily with ERJs and ORD-YYC is served 1x daily wi
33 mah4546 : It's too bad BOI didn't work, but difficult market for AA without also serving another point, like offering a BOIORD flight in complement. The route w
34 smoot4208 : Looks like the first casualties of the bk filing. dfw-fay never made sense as passengers in fay could already connect in either CLT or ATL
35 mah4546 : This has absolutely nothing to do with the BK filing. These types of decisions are not made that quickly. FAY was launched largely because of signifi
36 boberito6589 : Now they will be connecting in CLT: American Airlines (AA) will be protecting passengers on US flights for the following dates in the DFW-FAY market:
37 atcgod : Don't forget XJ flew their branded E145's here for awhile to SAN and
38 zippyjet : Sad to hear this for AA station crewmembers. However, we (SWA Life) service BOI.
39 Post contains images Azul320 : Maybe JetBlue will enter with a 1X daily LGB-BOI-LGB? Filler. Filler.
40 ridgid727 : What is Seaports pull out date from IDA and BOI. I have not heard about this one.
41 slcdeltarumd11 : I'm guessing sadly no because LGB is slot restricted and those are needed to keep frequency up on competitive routes jetblue tries to get slots every
42 FlyASAGuy2005 : But that's only for pax ticketed through Dec, right.
43 ooer : How is DFW-CYS doing?
44 JasonCRH : No. AA has NOT been flying DENLAX for 20+ years. I have timetables from 1990, 1991, 1992 that I just checked to verify. they did not fly those routes
45 Post contains links commavia : Later, actually. LAX-DEN began on July 2, 2000 with three daily round-trip MD80s. The Reno Air acquisition was completed, and Reno Air integrated, on
46 atcgod : They tweeted it a few days ago. Last flight to both destinations will be 12/31/11. It's on their Facebook page.
47 crAAzy : I thought a.net was a source ... LOL Wow. According to everyone on a.net the following hubs are money pits for AA: ORD JFK/LGA now LAX I guess we'll
48 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Everything else they added as part of that expansion was simply "connecting the dots"; that is to say, linking several of AA's existing Western and h
49 slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah a market like COS i think is begging for AAEagle to jump into from LAX. For the ski markets AA has a ton of ski traffic but remember they don't
50 BoeingGuy : Didn't AA do LAX-COS before? IIRC, they inherited LAX-COS and SJC-COS from QQ. Of course it didn't last long before AA gutted all the ex-QQ routes as
51 LAXintl : I'm sure there are folks in DFW, LAX or remainder of AA's network that need to be in Boise. Certainly AA looked at some traffic projections before ta
52 LAXintl : Due to AA Eagle changes in the works, the suspension of the route has been moved up to January 31st now.
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