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Second Airline Likely For IWA  
User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 904 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...ateway-airport-second-carrier.html

My bet is on it being NK.


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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

I would think NK as well but now that G4 has started LAS and soon OAK where would they fly to? LAX, SAN, DFW, ORD, DTW? Will be interesting to see who and what they announce

User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 3):
I would think NK as well but now that G4 has started LAS and soon OAK where would they fly to? LAX, SAN, DFW, ORD, DTW? Will be interesting to see who and what they announce

I think G4 launched OAK and LAS because:
1. They have a decent local following at IWA.
2. Protect their turf from another carrier.
3. (LAS only) Operational efficiencies of connecting two focus cities.

Any thoughts that this could be Vision or DirectAir? They seem to be going after the same traffic in the southeastern US, maybe one of them is looking to venture out into the western US.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

"Two years ago, the airport urged its customers and supporters to lobby San Francisco-based Virgin America to set up shop there, but that effort went by the boards."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...-second-carrier.html#ixzz1fVCRHjcc

I thought this was interesting. It's only a matter of time before Virgin America will enter the Phoenix market, maybe this announcement will be them.


User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4234 times:

Spirit would seem the most logical option. Not sure who else would fit the bill?

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4234 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 4):
Any thoughts that this could be Vision or DirectAir? They seem to be going after the same traffic in the southeastern US, maybe one of them is looking to venture out into the western US.

I could see Direct Air, as they seem to be successfully tapping markets that G4 left/won't touch. And IWA has had a track record with public charters in the past ("New" Western and SkyValue being two examples).

But I don't think it's NK... I think they will enter PHX.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently onlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
I could see Direct Air

They are having some problems, so I don't think it will be them. They are having problems with some of the airlines they use. A/C mx issues. IIRC they were to start flights to San Juan from Lakeland Fla. last month but pushed it back to spring. Lack of interest?? Hagerstown MD was good during summer and then dried up, they dropped the town.



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User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Hey sunking737, how about SunCountry?  

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

The top requested (not currently served) destinations out of IWA are:
1.) SAN
2.) LAX
3.) HNL
4.) DEN
5.) ORD
6.) SFO
7.) SEA
8.) MSP
9.) JFK
http://www.phxmesagateway.org/content/Marketing/SurveyResults.pdf

Based on this information, I'll throw out a few scenarios (though some would involve carriers that already serve PHX).
1.) B6 to LGB. Fills the demand for service to LAX, but is it a good use of an LGB slot?
2.) SY to MSP on a seasonal basis - a lot of seasonal visitors to Arizona are from the Upper Midwest
3.) NK to LAX/ORD - fullfills the #2 and #5 most requested destinations.
4.) DL - yes, this one is a stretch. But it is interesting to note the following: DL has been expanding LAX (#2 requested destination), has a hub in MSP (#8 requested destination), has a hub in JFK (#9 requested destination), and the upper midwest (a DL stronghold) draws a lot of visitors to AZ.

I do not think it will be Virgin because IWA does not fit their model of airports served and they do not seem to have the ability to "test" a smaller sized airport such as IWA.

Also, I do not think it is a charter carrier because the press release states "a significant announcement regarding new passenger service". If charter service is defined as "significant announcement", then I would like to know how they define regularly scheduled service.

Interestingly enough, WN is the best positioned to fill the demand of the top requested. Due to their sizable share in many of the desired destinations, WN would be able to get feed on both ends. However, there is risk of cannabilizing their flights out of PHX.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
2.) SY to MSP on a seasonal basis - a lot of seasonal visitors to Arizona are from the Upper Midwest

I could see that.

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
3.) NK to LAX/ORD - fullfills the #2 and #5 most requested destinations.

I could also see that.

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
4.) DL - yes, this one is a stretch. But it is interesting to note the following: DL has been expanding LAX (#2 requested destination), has a hub in MSP (#8 requested destination), has a hub in JFK (#9 requested destination), and the upper midwest (a DL stronghold) draws a lot of visitors to AZ.

This is an interesting one, I didn't even consider it. I think it's unlikely but plausable. DL serves secodary airports that some of the other (hub & spoke) majors don't, such as MDW, HOU, DAL, so it wouldn't be too different for them here... Also, G4 has picked up a lot of passengers flying to the Pheonix area from the upper midwest.


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

What about F9? Seems like something they would do. DEN is #4 on EricR's list.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Here's their profile in The Route Shop: http://www.therouteshop.com/phoenix-mesa-airport/


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2812 times:
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Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 10):
What about F9? Seems like something they would do. DEN is #4 on EricR's list.

i've wondered about that. It would take some pressure away from the airline, not so much at DEN, but at other places.

mariner



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
2.) SY to MSP on a seasonal basis - a lot of seasonal visitors to Arizona are from the Upper Midwest

SY all ready serves PHX and unless they are setting up a focus city at AZA which I do not think will happen. But I could be wrong

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
4.) DL - yes, this one is a stretch. But it is interesting to note the following: DL has been expanding LAX (#2 requested destination), has a hub in MSP (#8 requested destination), has a hub in JFK (#9 requested destination), and the upper midwest (a DL stronghold) draws a lot of visitors to AZ.

It may be a stretch but it could work...DL runs connection flights to LAX, SLC, and mainline to MSP. In fact any airline that flies MSP from AZA will compete with G4 on the AZA-FAR route because most people on that flight are from MN



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):

Here's their profile in The Route Shop: http://www.therouteshop.com/phoenix-...port/

We can check off LAS from the list. Service to LAS launched recently and has since been expanded. Also, depending on your viewpoint, you can place "half a check" next to SFO. Service to OAK was announced around the same time as LAS.

I completely forgot about the dedicated freighter service. I know they have been trying to lure cargo operators for a while now.

[Edited 2011-12-05 12:14:52]

User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2682 times:

What about Horizon via Lax?

User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2662 times:

If it isn't Vision or Spirt, maybe someone is trying to set something up like that retry with the Western Airlines name, and use Xtra Airways or something like that.

User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
I completely forgot about the dedicated freighter service. I know they have been trying to lure cargo operators for a while now.

The announcement invitation specifically states new passenger service.

Quoting EricR (Reply 8):
I do not think it is a charter carrier because the press release states "a significant announcement regarding new passenger service". If charter service is defined as "significant announcement", then I would like to know how they define regularly scheduled service.

Airports have made "significant announcements" regarding public (scheduled) charters before. And IWA management only said "new passenger service", so it could very well be charters of some sort.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineflyboynk From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

NK's West Coast expansion in full swing... enjoy the "gateway" to the desert southwest and just like
IAG and PBG how many Canucks will drive the 25 miles or so further south  



Flyboynk
User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

It is apparently NK that will be making the announcement. AZA is now a choice on their "Book Travel" list of cities at their reservation site, although there are no flights posted.

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

CONFIRMED by looking at their website:
Beginning 9 February...
LAS 2x daily
dep 1223 arr 1228
dep 2050 arr 2055

Fares showing $129 one-way...

Somehow, I think that G4 is gonna win this battle. They should've picked something like DFW or FLL to fly to instead of LAS.

[Edited 2011-12-06 04:31:36]

User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 20):
CONFIRMED by looking at their website:
Beginning 9 February...
LAS 2x daily
dep 1223 arr 1228
dep 2050 arr 2055

Fares showing $129 one-way...


Seems expensive. i picked a couple of random mdweek days in March and WN was $59 - $136 OW from PHX and that includes a free carry on and a free checked bag. Alegiant started at $40 for the day i picked. Plus extras of course. $129 must be a dummy fare until the official announcement.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Also DFW-AZA is bookable starting March 23rd

1 daily
dep 12:45am arr 05:00am AZA-DFW

dep 10:55pm arr 11:10pm DFW-AZA


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

I wonder the cost differential (and any enticements) of serving AZA versus PHX given that NK serves LGA, DCA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, DTW, etc. Unless it’s less about that and more about market opportunity, vis-à-vis a highly dominant WN at PHX, or infrastructure availability, e.g. gates.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting flyboynk (Reply 18):
NK's West Coast expansion in full swing... enjoy the "gateway" to the desert southwest and just like
IAG and PBG how many Canucks will drive the 25 miles or so further south

Exactly! BLI and IWA/AZA have been heavily rumored additions from NK's booming LAS focus city for quite some time now. BLI captures both Seattle and Vancouver in one fell swoop, whilst IWA/AZA brings the major Phoenix market online for NK.

Sounds like IWA/AZA will see service from LAS as well as DFW. I wonder if they'd be willing to give LAX and ORD a try too?



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
25 93Sierra : What time is the announcement? Will NK fly a plane in for the press release?
26 Pe@rson : Just rechecked its fares on AZA-LAS and AZA-DFW, and they're now appearing from $29 and $69 respectively.
27 93Sierra : I just tried to book gateway (Iwa aza ) to dfw and it stated service begins feb 9th 2012! Per their website... Awesome news for gateway!
28 93Sierra : Suggest we change the title of thread to confirmed..... Or start a new topic on the effect of NK at Iwa. Their are no jetways their and I am curious a
29 skyharborshome : I almost hate to bring this up (but I will anyway), however the Dallas option on NK is REALLY appealing. I usually fly WN (not a fan of US) but IWA is
30 ScottB : ...if you don't mind a 12:45 AM departure and 5 AM arrival, 28" seating pitch, "passenger usage fees" of $17 each way, baggage fees for checked and c
31 Midex461 : I don't know that I'd give the battle to G4 just yet. G4 and NK are similar, but still radically different. NK is more of a "traditional" airline in
32 AWACSooner : Are you talking about distance to Phoenix? If so, I think you are mistaken...
33 EricR : Combined, US & WN offer 22 daily N/S flights from PHX-LAS. I think NK saw a unique opportunity to serve the 1+ million people that live closer to
34 Post contains links 93Sierra : http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...rit-airlines-fly-from-gateway.html There ya go as of 1330 http://www.spirit.com/RouteMaps.aspx
35 skyharborshome : Left out a few words. Meant closer to many people in the SE Valley which boasts a pretty large population.
36 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : Looks like someone opened up a thread with the official announcement: Spirit Announces IWA-FLL/DFW/LAS (by globalflyer Dec 6 2011 in Civil Aviation)
37 aztrainer : It would be nice to go the six miles ot IWA than the 22 to PHX. Now I am waiting for the NIMBY to pop up and say the noise is killing their home value
38 dlramp4life : I am happy for AZA, it was fun when I was working there watching the airport grow
39 Pe@rson : I was just searching and found that if you purchase a round-trip of AZA-DFW-AZA, you can get it from $39.40 including taxes, fees, and its service fee
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