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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 971 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 14760 times:

Just got an email from American saying all the specs for the 773. I know London will be the first route, any known others?

Also, in June I am flying AA flight 50, DFW-LHR in a 772. Any chance of it upgrading to a 773 by that time?


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User currently offlinebonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 14614 times:

AA doesn't start taking deliveries until the end of 2012, IIRC. And yes, London is the first destination, but I don't believe they have announced whether it will be JFK-LHR, ORD-LHR, LAX-LHR, DFW-LHR., or something else.

User currently offlinedirtyfrankd From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 14457 times:

Wouldn't it be a hell of a lot cooler if the first destination was a new city that they do not serve on their own metal as of now. Like HKG, ICN, SYD, BOM, KIX, etc.?

User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 14351 times:

Quoting kann123air (Thread starter):
I know London will be the first route
Quoting bonusonus (Reply 1):
And yes, London is the first destination

Did something change? When AA fist announced to purchase of 2 777-300's they stated that they would be used for expansion and not be placed on any current AA route. The plan was (is) for these birds to open up an new city that can not be served with the current 772s.



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User currently offlinenotaxonrotax From Ecuador, joined Mar 2011, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 14241 times:
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Isn't the 77W the superior plane to the 773??
Please educate me here, thought that all airlines bought 772 & 77W these days, apart from the 777F.

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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 13992 times:

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 4):
Isn't the 77W the superior plane to the 773??

Yes, and AA indeed bought the 77W.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 13995 times:

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 3):
Did something change? When AA fist announced to purchase of 2 777-300's they stated that they would be used for expansion and not be placed on any current AA route. The plan was (is) for these birds to open up an new city that can not be served with the current 772s.

I suppose that with the recent Ch. 11 filing there are a few moving parts around AA right now. I was also originally under the impression that they'd use the 773s for new routes, but I suppose if they can be used to replace the 772s on existing routes for additional cost savings, that is more important right now. We will just stay tuned...



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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 13953 times:

It is possible that they could do DFW-NRT with the 773, but currently is on the 772ER. With London being the primary route, I also see FRA as a possible choice from JFK , ORD , or DFW. While UA and DL are the only US based airlines, I would really like to see an AA 773 at SYD!


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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 13865 times:

Quoting timberwolf24 (Reply 3):

Did something change? When AA fist announced to purchase of 2 777-300's they stated that they would be used for expansion and not be placed on any current AA route. The plan was (is) for these birds to open up an new city that can not be served with the current 772s.

As posted in another thread on the AA 77W order, AA is to receive the 77Ws at a rate of one per month or so starting in late 2012. Therefore, AA is limited in the amount of ULH flying they can do until they have at least three aircraft. LHR-US flights only require one aircraft for a rotation, is served by AA from several US airports, thereby allowing the aircraft to rotate through the system, and with the high amount of premium traffic on LHR flights, AA is bound to get some important feedback on their new products. LHR may be the first recipient of the 77W, but AA neither stated that it would be the only recipient, nor for how long.

Come summer 2013, when AA has a larger fleet and has sorted out any potential teething problems, the 77Ws may be used on new routes. Let's not forget though that AA has only announced ten orders, so there would probably be three new cities at the most. Realistically, I'd expect two new cities with some additional capacity at LHR.



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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 13603 times:

How many 77w's are AA receiving anyway? I've heard 3 and 5 but i'm not quite sure. And could they possibly open up new European and Asian routes such as Hanoi (currently served by UA from NRT), Bangkok and even Manilla. Some European routes that could be opened from JFK , DFW and ORD are WAW, MUC (They do not currently make destinations to MUC) and even Istanbul. Some possible Middle-eastern routes are DXB and possibly Doha or Riyadh (Doha and Riyadh are unlikely). Johannesburg is an unlikely route from JFK but it is possibly, since DL serves DKR . AKL , SYD and MEL are also possible choices from LAX . Also, the JFK - DME route could be replaced by the 77W, I believe it is currently on a 763 WL.


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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 13441 times:

Another AA 77W thread, yay!      

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
How many 77w's are AA receiving anyway?

See reply number 8.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
And could they possibly open up new European and Asian routes such as Hanoi (currently served by UA from NRT), Bangkok and even Manilla.

I don't think we'll ever see AA metal (let alone the their 77Ws) in Hanoi, Bangkok, or Manila, and if it does happen it won't be on the 77W. But hey, we could see drastic changes in management regarding network so I never say never.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
Some European routes that could be opened from JFK , DFW and ORD are WAW, MUC (They do not currently make destinations to MUC) and even Istanbul.

Again, I highly doubt we will ever see AA metal in MUC, and definitely not in WAW. Hell, they don't serve AMS. BER I could see happening on a 763 from the US.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
Middle-eastern routes are DXB and possibly Doha or Riyadh (Doha and Riyadh are unlikely).

I think Dubai, Doha, or even Abu Dhabi have a better chance of seeing AA service than WAW, MUC, HAN, BKK, or MNL. Again, if AA sends their aircraft here, I highly doubt it will be with the 77W, but rather the 772.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
Also, the JFK - DME route could be replaced by the 77W, I believe it is currently on a 763 WL.

AA does not fly to DME. When they did it was from ORD with the 772 and the 763.


User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 13439 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
How many 77w's are AA receiving anyway?

According to Boeing, they have 7 on order. Wikipedia says 10, but I trust Boeing in this case  

I thought someone who works for AA in another thread a few months ago said ORD-LHR would be the first 77W route.

[Edited 2011-12-05 20:31:08]

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 13110 times:
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I think we'll see the 77W on JFK-LHR-JFK before any other route. This is the most premium heavy market, internationally, AA serves, albeit, not a longhaul flight, technically as they make it a good portion of the year in six hours or less.
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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

Quoting SEA (Reply 11):
According to Boeing, they have 7 on order. Wikipedia says 10, but I trust Boeing in this case  

According to the latest press releases from AA it's 10.


User currently offlinebombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 11135 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
Some European routes that could be opened from JFK , DFW and ORD are WAW, MUC (They do not currently make destinations to MUC) and even Istanbul. Some possible Middle-eastern routes are DXB and possibly Doha or Riyadh (Doha and Riyadh are unlikely). Johannesburg is an unlikely route from JFK but it is possibly, since DL serves DKR . AKL , SYD and MEL are also possible choices from LAX . Also, the JFK - DME route could be replaced by the 77W, I believe it is currently on a 763 WL.

Even if AA were to start some of these cities, why put the 77W on them? It's certainly way too much airplane for WAW and MUC, probably DME too. If they were to start WAW or MUC they'd be more likely to use 763 and put the 77W to better use. These are routes that a new 787 might do nicely on, but not the 77W.

SYD, DXB, and IST might be the right kind of route for the 77W, but IST and DXB I don't see happening, and as for SYD, maybe some day, but partner Qantas and about five other airlines have that route pretty well covered and competition is fierce.

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User currently offlinepcbm From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months ago) and read 10123 times:

South Africa !

Miami to Cape Town !


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8387 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9620 times:
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Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
. Johannesburg is an unlikely route from JFK but it is possibly, since DL serves DKR . AKL , SYD and MEL are also possible choices from LAX . Also, the JFK - DME route could be replaced by the 77W, I believe it is currently on a 763 WL.

Miami would probably be AA's South African gateway since MIA is so strong for AA and SAA does not fly from there. SAA flies from JFK and IAD.


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 10):
Again, I highly doubt we will ever see AA metal in MUC, and definitely not in WAW. Hell, they don't serve AMS. BER I could see happening on a 763 from the US.

Exactly! MUC is so over-supplied with LH/UA that AA entering this market now (or ever probably) would be akin to suicide, so even less chance they'd throw their shiny new 77W at it.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 9):
Some European routes that could be opened from JFK , DFW and ORD are WAW, MUC

WAW has all the direct flights it needs (1) going to the US. Direct with LO for *A, and all the connections you want on other airlines. Even DL doesn't fly here (seemingly famed for some its lower capacity TATL routes)!

AA can easily route its pax here via BA at LHR.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9486 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Miami would probably be AA's South African gateway since MIA is so strong for AA and SAA does not fly from there. SAA flies from JFK and IAD.

AA should consider launching MIA-NRT since MIA needs a non-stop service to Asia. At MIA, the service would offer connections between Japan and a plethora of destinations in Latin America; especially Brazil and Perú!


User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9186 times:

IIRC, AA was contemplating MIA-NRT before 9/11, and dropped its plans when air traffic and the economy tanked. I agree that this should be reconsidered and that the LatAm connections would be a key factor. I wonder, however, if for travel to Chile and Argentina if connections through LAX on LAN are available. Would seem to make more sense.

User currently offlinefraspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 7):
I also see FRA as a possible choice from JFK , ORD , or DFW.

I'm not sure about the first two, but I am quite doubtful about DFW... For years DFW-FRA (AA70/71) was a 772 but just recently got downgraded to a 763... Why would they send a 77W there? I would absolutely LOVE it if they did, but I just don't see it realistically happening...



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8946 times:
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Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 19):
I wonder, however, if for travel to Chile and Argentina if connections through LAX on LAN are available. Would seem to make more sense.

On LAN connections between EZE, LIM and SCL and ICN, HKG and NRT are available via LAX. Connections between SCL and HKG are available via AKL, connections between LIM and HKG and soon HND are available via SFO. Connections between SCL and LIM and HKG and NRT are available via JFK. However, Brazil does not really benefit from the connections at LAX and SFO. AA and LATAM combined at MIA could certainly link Japan to multiple destinations in Brazil, besides just GIG and GRU. Not to mention that there are multiple daily flights to MIA from BOG, EZE, GIG, GRU, GYE, LIM, SCL, UIO, etc. that are not available at any other airport in North America.


User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8653 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 7):
It is possible that they could do DFW-NRT with the 773

AA 61/175 DFW-NRT on a 77W can probably be loaded with extra freight. Those routes used to go out full in years past, not sure about today. Seats were usually full too, in all classes.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8387 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8165 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
AA should consider launching MIA-NRT since MIA needs a non-stop service to Asia. At MIA, the service would offer connections between Japan and a plethora of destinations in Latin America; especially Brazil and Perú!

AA already provides a Brazil and Peru connection to Tokyo via DFW.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 23):
AA already provides a Brazil and Peru connection to Tokyo via DFW.

AA currently operates DFW-GIG 3x weekly and DFW-GRU daily. Also, American Airlines has not operated between DFW and LIM for over a decade.


25 LAXdude1023 : That may it be, MIA-NRT would not be a good use of the 77W. It would be an excellent 787 route. Realistically its fun to talk about all the new and e
26 incitatus : When AA gets the first few 77Ws one important aspect will be to build pilot experience with the type. JFK-LHR seems the right route to get started for
27 SCL767 : Hopefully American Airlines will not continue its ultra conservative route planning if AA even emerges from Chapter 11 with-in the next 18 months. If
28 Post contains images Birdwatching : I'm flying NRT-JFK in June 2012, currently scheduled as 772. I guess I have no chance to get a 773... Does the current 772 have a nice cabin? I see th
29 crosswinds21 : It's quite possible that AA wanted to, but could not start certain routes because their high, uncompetitive costs would make these routes unprofitabl
30 LAXdude1023 : We will just have to wait and see if AA's mindset changes with chapter 11. I still think JFK-LHR, DFW-NRT, and MIA-GRU are the most viable cannidates
31 flykev : Its not that bad - The IFE is a looping system but has programs starting every 15 minutes so you don't have to wait too long for your film or TV prog
32 IrishAyes : Just a thought, but as-is it seems like AA's current 772 configuration is too F-heavy. So, wouldn't it make sense to keep the 772s on premium-heavy r
33 yyz717 : aerotransport.org says 9: 3 in 2012, 5 in 2013 and 1 on 1014. The 9th was a recent conversion from the outstanding order for 7x 772ER's. I suspect th
34 gdg9 : I might add DFW and TPE just signed a sister airport agreement and DFW put out a release talking about how they were hoping for air service... perhaps
35 crAAzy : The only question I'd have about the 77W on MIA-GRU is whether AA would be willing to have it sitting around all day on the ground. DFW-MAD and DFW-F
36 IrishAyes : Good point. True. Also for consideration is replacing DFW-MAD with an IB aircraft. The cabin configuration is better than the AA 772s or 763s for thi
37 AAplat4life : Since this is AA we are talking about, I would not expect the first 77W route to stay 77W. I suspect that the first one will be DFW-LHR, just because
38 aacun : We must keep in mind that as the 77W starts to come in, and due to AA's recent emphasis on its premium product, the 772 may be going thru its own cabi
39 Thrust : I would imagine the 773 is going to see heavy use on the NRT routes, especially LAX-NRT and ORD-NRT. I would also bet JFK-NRT is a good guess for a 77
40 LAXdude1023 : If an NRT route got a 77W, it would be DFW. Its the best NRT preforming route for AA.
41 mah4546 : I much rather see a JAL 787, but I'm hearing AA is seriously contemplating it because it feels it will have no problem filling Y with Japanese touris
42 Thrust : I would probably have to assume that DFW functions best because its AA's main hub and they have the least competition from other airlines there?
43 gemuser : What is your logic for saying that on LHR-JFK? As most BA LHR-JFK frequencies are B744s, increasing the size of AA contribution (assuming the traffic
44 LAXdude1023 : It probably has more to do with competition. We only have Korean Air besides AA flying to Asia. Whatever the total reason, DFW-NRT is AA's best prefo
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