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Woman Walks Into Plane's Propeller....  
User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 31093 times:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ad-brain-injuries-article-1.987226

How could this have happened ? even if it was a private aircraft the pilot should have shut the engines down or at least briefed the passengers on avoiding the propeller before exiting.


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User currently offlineNutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 510 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 31059 times:

Wow, she was lucky to have survived this accident. I didn't see any mention of an aircraft type and there was very little on the actual details that led up to her encounter with the prop. It will be interesting to hear a more detailed account of what happened.


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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 30832 times:

Here's another link:

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/Pla...uggs-Hit-by-Plane-Propeller-120511

The aircraft in question was an Aviat Husky.



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 30792 times:

What an unfortunate event.. at least she's recovering.

WHo is at fault neither article seems to say..



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 30648 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 3):
WHo is at fault neither article seems to say..


Well the woman is going to have to take some responsibility, unless someone forced her into the prop.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2496 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 30584 times:

I heard this on the radio when I woke up this morning.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 4):
Well the woman is going to have to take some responsibility, unless someone forced her into the prop.

Or the pilot that should have waited to open the door AFTER the props were done spinning.

Either way, I wish her a fast recovery.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21881 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 30290 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
Or the pilot that should have waited to open the door AFTER the props were done spinning.

   I'd never open a door with an engine running unless the engine in question were on the other side of the airplane and the pax would have no chance of walking near it. This isn't a turboprop where the thing might keep spinning for a bit after you shut it down - piston engines stop right away.

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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 30260 times:

Ouch! Did she just not hear the loud propeller right next to her?


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 30112 times:

Anyone feel a lawsuit coming on...?  

User currently offlineN6238P From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 30055 times:

well at least it wasn't like this...

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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 29801 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 7):

Ouch! Did she just not hear the loud propeller right next to her?

Planes are noisy creatures, and a moving prop is hard to see during the day, and darn near impossible to see at night when this accident occurred.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 4):
Well the woman is going to have to take some responsibility, unless someone forced her into the prop.

I'd put all the blame on the pilot in command. Anyone in their right mind would shut the engine down before deplaning/enplaning, especially in poor lighting conditions.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8379 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 29717 times:

It doesn't sound like anyone involved was exercising particularly stellar judgement.


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User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 29658 times:

Wow, that is horrible.

My CFI taught me to always treat a propeller, even when not spinning, as a hot propeller. Just takes a badly grounded p-lead for the prop to spin up with little warning. Anyone flying with me are given "safe" areas around the plane to stand in until they have been cleared by me. By treating the area near an engine with respect, the chances of such an accident is significantly reduced.


User currently offlineferminbrif From Venezuela, joined Dec 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 27661 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
Or the pilot that should have waited to open the door AFTER the props were done spinning


I totally agree!!

What a terrible event. I´m sorry for this young lady, I wish her a fast recovery. Nevertheless, how in the world can somebody walk so close to a spinning propeller??. It just a matter of common sense.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10675 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 27357 times:

When I worked on the DL freighter crew at ORD in the 70s, I was always apprehensive when working around the L-100. When it came in and parked, you had to open the crew door, run up the steps, grab the nose gear pin, run back down and pin the nose gear. The door wasn't as close as on some smaller turboprops, but it was close enough to make you aware with the prop still spinning.


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User currently offlineeaglewarrior From Barbados, joined Aug 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 27198 times:

It is a good thing that the prop just hit her from the side. Had she walked squarely into it she probably would not have survived.

User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 24648 times:

This is pilot error plain and simple. Non pilots are just not aware of the dangers of a prop and an accident can easily happen. Don't let your passenger even open the door until the prop has stopped and don't keep one engine running on a twin while people are exiting.

User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 24550 times:
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Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 1):
Wow, she was lucky to have survived this accident

Given the injuries she has apparently sustained that remains to be seen, if the head injuries and brain damage are severe then she might have been luckier not to have survived  . Hopefully they aren't too bad and she can make a good recovery.



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User currently offlineIanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22930 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
Given the injuries she has apparently sustained that remains to be seen, if the head injuries and brain damage are severe then she might have been luckier not to have survived . Hopefully they aren't too bad and she can make a good recovery.

As horrible a situation as it is for everyone involved, I think you may be right. Its hard to start passing blame on without knowing all the finer details, but how unfortunate for such an event to occur that will change this girls life forever.



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User currently offlines5daw From Slovenia, joined May 2011, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22755 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 7):
Ouch! Did she just not hear the loud propeller right next to her?

As somebody who (as a child) put his finger through a model airplane prop: yes, you hear it but hell, you don't see it. And we rely 90% on our eyesight.

A friend of mine has seen a medic walking directly into rear helicopter prop. Beheaded of course.

This woman was VERY lucky. Props are dangerous as hell.


User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21458 times:

There was an incident on the EWR ramp about 10 years ago where a member of the ground crew/ramp walked into a spinning prop of a NW airlink flight. A friend of mine worked there at the time and said it was quite like the scene in the Indiana Jones movie...worse yet passengers were also still on the plane as as the blood and all spattered the windows it was really horrible...this woman should count herself lucky as it could have been much worse....

User currently offlinemalioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21313 times:

This is a very unfortunate incident and she is lucky to be alive. It is the Captain's fault for not shutting the engine on the side of the aircraft that the passengers would deplane from.

In the 1970s when my father was an engineer on base for BA and GF here in BAH a mid-aged man was sliced clean in half by a propeller on a Skyvan- the pilot had forgotten to shut down the engine. It is very unfortunate when a loss occurs through happenings such as these, as it would seem to be a very basic mistake.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 18642 times:

I'm confused as how this happened, a husky sits tandem and she was probably in the front seat, exited through the only entrance on the right side.....
Not trying to be morbid but do you think the pilot realized that she walked into the prop? Would there be a loud noise?


User currently offlinebeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17126 times:

Quoting malioil (Reply 21):
This is a very unfortunate incident and she is lucky to be alive. It is the Captain's fault for not shutting the engine on the side of the aircraft that the passengers would deplane from.

Being an Aviat Husky there's only one engine. Proper airmanship (with piston engines) is that you don't let passengers disembark until:

1) you do a dead mags check
2) you pull the mixture to stop the engine
3) you turn off the magnetos.

I'm afraid the pilot is going to have to answer some questions on this one.

Beech


User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16691 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 3):
WHo is at fault neither article seems to say..

The PIC is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of his aircraft and for the saftey of his passengers. There is also no requirement to shut down the engine to allow passengers to embark or dissembark. I always shut down when people exit or enter my aircraft. I'd blame the pilot for some of it. He should have shut down or at least said "hey go around the back of the plane." Ultimately though it was her poor judgement to walk in front of the plane.



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25 26point2 : A story out this morning quotes her father who thinks perhaps after exiting the plane she might have turned back to thank the pilot and walked into th
26 starrion : The only person that can be blamed is the PIC. Passengers have no idea about this stuff unless you tell them. It is always your responsibility as a P
27 Post contains links and images axelesgg : Happened in Sweden also not a long time ago. As we say, a turning propeller is invisible! http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/kvinna-skadad-av-flygplansp
28 57AZ : Unfortunate and the PIC has ultimate legal responsibility. This is the reason that carriers have WATCH FOR PROPELLERS painted in large letters on the
29 Taieridrome : Just the other day I was trying to recall the name of the Australian pro golfer who many years ago lost an arm (and other injuries to I think) after h
30 PlaneInsomniac : How come everybody here is so quick to blame the pilot? We literally don't know anything about how this accident happened. How can we be sure that the
31 Post contains images flyingturtle : There's also the sad story of a man who held up his infant child after deboarding his helicopter. Don't know where and when that happened, but I have
32 RadicalDudeJOM : This reminds me of an incident the other day when at the gym, I walked right next to a man jump-roping and didn't even see the rope. I got whipped pre
33 Post contains links RadicalDudeJOM : Taieridrome- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Newton Jack Newton was the Australian golfer who was nearly killed by the prop
34 bennett123 : Planesinsomniac Unless there was a significant interval between her leaving and being hit then that does not make sense. Besides, if she was standing
35 EDICHC : You would have thought so but the words common sense and general public are rarely, if ever, found in the same sentence as aircraft. First lesson I w
36 cytz_pilot : I hear you there, that we don't know all the details, but the fact of the matter is, any business that deals with aviation is going to have a set of
37 bueb0g : Holy hell... the most tragic thing I've ever heard...
38 zippyjet : Is this the same story as the one I half heard where the woman was skydiving or gliding and this accident occurred mid-air. I hope she's OK if this is
39 Post contains links tsnamm : I finally found the specific incident on the NTSB website...needless to say a horrible accident, and grisly to boot.... http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationqu
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