Nutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 513 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 31318 times:
Wow, she was lucky to have survived this accident. I didn't see any mention of an aircraft type and there was very little on the actual details that led up to her encounter with the prop. It will be interesting to hear a more detailed account of what happened.
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22392 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 30549 times:
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5): Or the pilot that should have waited to open the door AFTER the props were done spinning.
I'd never open a door with an engine running unless the engine in question were on the other side of the airplane and the pax would have no chance of walking near it. This isn't a turboprop where the thing might keep spinning for a bit after you shut it down - piston engines stop right away.
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BlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29917 times:
Wow, that is horrible.
My CFI taught me to always treat a propeller, even when not spinning, as a hot propeller. Just takes a badly grounded p-lead for the prop to spin up with little warning. Anyone flying with me are given "safe" areas around the plane to stand in until they have been cleared by me. By treating the area near an engine with respect, the chances of such an accident is significantly reduced.
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 11319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 27616 times:
When I worked on the DL freighter crew at ORD in the 70s, I was always apprehensive when working around the L-100. When it came in and parked, you had to open the crew door, run up the steps, grab the nose gear pin, run back down and pin the nose gear. The door wasn't as close as on some smaller turboprops, but it was close enough to make you aware with the prop still spinning.
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ThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24907 times:
This is pilot error plain and simple. Non pilots are just not aware of the dangers of a prop and an accident can easily happen. Don't let your passenger even open the door until the prop has stopped and don't keep one engine running on a twin while people are exiting.
Given the injuries she has apparently sustained that remains to be seen, if the head injuries and brain damage are severe then she might have been luckier not to have survived . Hopefully they aren't too bad and she can make a good recovery.
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IanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23189 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 17): Given the injuries she has apparently sustained that remains to be seen, if the head injuries and brain damage are severe then she might have been luckier not to have survived . Hopefully they aren't too bad and she can make a good recovery.
As horrible a situation as it is for everyone involved, I think you may be right. Its hard to start passing blame on without knowing all the finer details, but how unfortunate for such an event to occur that will change this girls life forever.
tsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21717 times:
There was an incident on the EWR ramp about 10 years ago where a member of the ground crew/ramp walked into a spinning prop of a NW airlink flight. A friend of mine worked there at the time and said it was quite like the scene in the Indiana Jones movie...worse yet passengers were also still on the plane as as the blood and all spattered the windows it was really horrible...this woman should count herself lucky as it could have been much worse....
malioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 138 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21572 times:
This is a very unfortunate incident and she is lucky to be alive. It is the Captain's fault for not shutting the engine on the side of the aircraft that the passengers would deplane from.
In the 1970s when my father was an engineer on base for BA and GF here in BAH a mid-aged man was sliced clean in half by a propeller on a Skyvan- the pilot had forgotten to shut down the engine. It is very unfortunate when a loss occurs through happenings such as these, as it would seem to be a very basic mistake.
93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18901 times:
I'm confused as how this happened, a husky sits tandem and she was probably in the front seat, exited through the only entrance on the right side.....
Not trying to be morbid but do you think the pilot realized that she walked into the prop? Would there be a loud noise?
beechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 754 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17385 times:
Quoting malioil (Reply 21): This is a very unfortunate incident and she is lucky to be alive. It is the Captain's fault for not shutting the engine on the side of the aircraft that the passengers would deplane from.
Being an Aviat Husky there's only one engine. Proper airmanship (with piston engines) is that you don't let passengers disembark until:
1) you do a dead mags check
2) you pull the mixture to stop the engine
3) you turn off the magnetos.
I'm afraid the pilot is going to have to answer some questions on this one.
JHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16950 times:
Quoting ghifty (Reply 3): WHo is at fault neither article seems to say..
The PIC is ultimately responsible for the safe operation of his aircraft and for the saftey of his passengers. There is also no requirement to shut down the engine to allow passengers to embark or dissembark. I always shut down when people exit or enter my aircraft. I'd blame the pilot for some of it. He should have shut down or at least said "hey go around the back of the plane." Ultimately though it was her poor judgement to walk in front of the plane.
: A story out this morning quotes her father who thinks perhaps after exiting the plane she might have turned back to thank the pilot and walked into th
: The only person that can be blamed is the PIC. Passengers have no idea about this stuff unless you tell them. It is always your responsibility as a P
: Happened in Sweden also not a long time ago. As we say, a turning propeller is invisible! http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/kvinna-skadad-av-flygplansp
: Unfortunate and the PIC has ultimate legal responsibility. This is the reason that carriers have WATCH FOR PROPELLERS painted in large letters on the
: Just the other day I was trying to recall the name of the Australian pro golfer who many years ago lost an arm (and other injuries to I think) after h
: How come everybody here is so quick to blame the pilot? We literally don't know anything about how this accident happened. How can we be sure that the
: There's also the sad story of a man who held up his infant child after deboarding his helicopter. Don't know where and when that happened, but I have
: This reminds me of an incident the other day when at the gym, I walked right next to a man jump-roping and didn't even see the rope. I got whipped pre
: Taieridrome- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Newton Jack Newton was the Australian golfer who was nearly killed by the prop
: Planesinsomniac Unless there was a significant interval between her leaving and being hit then that does not make sense. Besides, if she was standing
: You would have thought so but the words common sense and general public are rarely, if ever, found in the same sentence as aircraft. First lesson I w
: I hear you there, that we don't know all the details, but the fact of the matter is, any business that deals with aviation is going to have a set of
: Holy hell... the most tragic thing I've ever heard...
: Is this the same story as the one I half heard where the woman was skydiving or gliding and this accident occurred mid-air. I hope she's OK if this is
: I finally found the specific incident on the NTSB website...needless to say a horrible accident, and grisly to boot.... http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationqu