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Emirates - Chances Of Third Daily Freq - BHX-DXB?  
User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Just curious on other peoples thoughts of Emirates adding a third daily frequency to their Birmingham schedule on flights to Dubai...

Emirates are currently operating two daily 777-300ERs in a high density two class config with 427 or 442 seats...

My work place regularly uses the flights for staff and visitors flying to/from Asia and the Far East, despite being based in Milton Keynes and being slightly closer to LHR than BHX. We choose to use the service to avoid the delays of getting to Heathrow and with Virgin/London Midland offering direct train journeys to Birmingham International , it makes it more convenient.

Anyway back to the question in hand... We regularly have to book travel with only a few days/weeks notice, and have recently increasingly found the flights on some occassions completely sold out. Not just one of the flights, but both flights on some days sold out. When not sold out, the staff using the flight, have always commented on how full the flights are, 90+% full. This seems to be year round and not just at particular peak times of the year.

With BHX's runway extension still a few years away and the current runway unsuitable for handling A380's to increase capacity, without increasing the schedule, is a third daily frequency in the pipeline?

Emirates commenced a third daily frequency earlier this year from MAN and over the last few years BHX has mirrored EK's growth at both airports, but about a year or two behind Manchester... From next June the airline is changing MAN's third daily schedule from the A330 to a 77W, could we see this A330 coming to BHX? As I know the A330's in the EK fleet are quite stretched and with this aircraft bring freed up, it could come to BHX!   

EK A380's operating into BHX...
I thought I would add some comments on the Emirates A380 that visited BHX a year or two ago, as I sure there will be a comment or two saying the A380 can operate into BHX's exisiting runway...

A while ago Emirates operated an A380 into BHX, this was purely a publicity flight for the airline and the airport, as it was used to inaugerate the new international pier that the airport opened at the time. It was to demonstrate the pier could handle such large aircrafts and a great publicity event for the airline.

When the flight operated, it only flew with the passenger numbers of a 77W (which it was replacing that day), incase the flight had to get substitued at the last minute and the only cargo on the flight was the passengers hold baggage. By doing this, it ensured the aircraft could easily handle BHX's 8500ft runway. Also the exisiting taxiways for such a large aircraft were a bit of a challenge and had ground assistance to negiotiate.

While the 77W's do not on the whole have an issue with BHX's runway, it has been known on very hot summers days with a full passenger load, that cargo has had to be left behind. The route does also carry a lot of cargo! So it does give an idea, that an A380 would struggle to operate at its full potential out of little old Brum until the runway is extended to 10,000ft.

Emirates have stated previously they would be keen to operate the A380 from BHX, and wouldn't surprise me if they started immediately after the extension is completed.

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User currently onlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
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Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
and wouldn't surprise me if they started immediately after the extension is completed.

all depends when the 2 class A380s are delivered as they are believed to want only have F class operating from MAN in the regions. So BHX may be in the position that if a 3rd daily comes along, then there's no A380 for quite a long time or alternatively, having the A380 may postpone the 3rd daily for a long time.


User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
By doing this, it ensured the aircraft could easily handle BHX's 8500ft runway. Also the exisiting taxiways for such a large aircraft were a bit of a challenge and had ground assistance to negiotiate.

While the 77W's do not on the whole have an issue with BHX's runway, it has been known on very hot summers days with a full passenger load, that cargo has had to be left behind. The route does also carry a lot of cargo! So it does give an idea, that an A380 would struggle to operate at its full potential out of little old Brum until the runway is extended to 10,000ft.

Emirates have stated previously they would be keen to operate the A380 from BHX, and wouldn't surprise me if they started immediately after the extension is completed.

I'm not sure why it's part of the a.net psyche to associate size (mass) and field performance. The A380 has an MTOW of around 570t. With a sub 7 hour sector like BHX-DXB you won't get anywhere near it.

When EK does introduce a third frequency, in my opinion, it'll probably be an A330 or B777. For the time being, there are many more destinations that could make greater use of the premium A380 than BHX.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Just curious on other peoples thoughts of Emirates adding a third daily frequency to their Birmingham schedule on flights to Dubai...

EK will almost certainly at some point add a third-daily flight (departing DXB around 3am, arriving back 7pm/8pm).



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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 2):
there are many more destinations that could make greater use of the premium A380 than BHX.

To be honest, that's what was said about MAN getting an A380. IIRC, HKG didn't even have an A380 when MAN was getting one.


User currently offlinedc10bhx From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
While the 77W's do not on the whole have an issue with BHX's runway, it has been known on very hot summers days with a full passenger load, that cargo has had to be left behind. The route does also carry a lot of cargo! So it does give an idea, that an A380 would struggle to operate at its full potential out of little old Brum until the runway is extended to

I have been using both EK flights outbound for cargo bookings for a number of years (starting from when the flights were chopping and changing between 777's and 330's) and our flown as booked record is in the very high 90%'s.

I cannot remember when I had an offload from EK at BHX (during hot weather or cold weather). Either I am very lucky or there is less of an issue with payload from BHX than everyone thinks.

Hopefully now the extension has been approved (work starts next year apparently) with the work to be finished by 2014, EK should (by then) have enough 380's in their fleet to spare one to go to BHX.



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