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Leading Aircraft Type Across The Pacific?  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Somebody asked about the Atlantic, so I figured I'd ask about the Pacific. I would assume it's the 777, followed by either the A330 or 747? I would assume that the 747 had an unquestionable reign from the early 1970s to the early 2000s. My other question is...how many of the current 747 operators over the Pacific plan to retire their 747s in the near future? The airlines in specific I'm thinking of are Asiana Airways, Air China, China Airlines, EVA, Malaysian, Thai Airways, Korean Air, Phillipine Airlines, Qantas, Air New Zealand, Delta, and United. I'm assuming that with the exception of Delta, the 747's career with the rest of the airlines won't make it to the next decade? I ask because JAL and ANA have already retired their non-domestic 744s, and SQ has either retired them or is very very close to retiring them.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Here on the east coast we get a lot of 777's doing the transpac routes, with a few 744's.

But I do have a question to my west coast friends out there....are the A340's popular coming transpac for you? Here at JFK we see a China Eastern A346, but the rest of the airlines here are 777's or 747's (and Korean's A380). We still get A346's coming over the Atlantic though. Just curious if the A340 is a popular aircraft on the west coast coming transpac. Thanks for any input!



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User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

I have not seen to many A340 at work in LAX. The 2 come to mind are Thai and Air Tahiti Nui going west. The Virgin A340 goes east. Mostly a mix of 777, 747, A330, and A380. HTH

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
do have a question to my west coast friends out there....are the A340's popular coming transpac for you? Here at JFK we see a China Eastern A346, but the rest of the airlines here are 777's or 747's (and Korean's A380). We still get A346's coming over the Atlantic though. Just curious if the A340 is a popular aircraft on the west coast coming transpac. Thanks for any input!

We get TG, TN, MU, and SQ with 340's. Can't think of any others. 777, though, is likely the most popular.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24800 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 2):
I have not seen too many A340 at work in LAX. The 2 come to mind are Thai and Air Tahiti Nui going west. The Virgin A340 goes east.

Also the SQ all-business class A340-500 nonstop LAX-SIN.


User currently offlinePRFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Philippine Airlines operates 2x a week A340 flights to LAX and SFO.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Thank you all for you input, I just find it interesting to see who gets what equipment on the other side of the country LOL! I miss the CX A346 that used to come here...she was beautiful!!! Anywhoo, guess it's not THAT big of a plane for west coast transpac traffic...back to the topic at hand before I get a warning like this:



 

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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Except for PR 104 sometimes being operated by an A340, the only A340's I've seen at SFO recently came from Europe (LH 458, LX 38, AF 84 in the downseason, and sometimes VS 19 in the downseason)...IIRC SQ 16 was at one time an A340 (when SQ 2 was a 747), but that flight's been operated by a 777 for quite a while now.

At SFO, BR sometimes sends 747-400's, but usually sends 777-300ER's. CA, CI, and CX sends 747-400's (although I've seen a few CX 777's from time to time). As mentioned before, PR typically sends 747-400's, but sometimes they've sent an A340 and I THINK I've even seen a 777 once or twice. SQ, KE, JL, NH, and OZ really only send 777's anymore.   Not sure if I'm missing any of the Asian carriers...

Also, NZ sends a 747-400 now; used to be a 777 before QF pulled out of SFO...and, of course, QF ran a 747-400 to SFO before they pulled out.

United sends a mixture of 747's and 777's to Asia from SFO; not sure what the ratios are there. I've seen DL run 767's and A330's, although I think they're mostly running 767's now...



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4276 times:

No doubt, the 777. With CX, JL, ANA, China Southern, MAS, VAU, KE, UA, AA, EVA, Asiana, SQ, and NZ. All fly the 777 trans-pacific. I think the 777 is 330-minute ETOPS certified?


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7150 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4257 times:

It used to be the 744 when all the majors had and used them, but it is now shifting to the 77W. on my recent trip to So Cal it was very obvious how dominant the 77W has become at LAX for eg: JL/NH/NZ/CX are now all carriers that have dumped the 744 to LAX.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 8):
I think the 777 is 330-minute ETOPS certified?

Tisn't. Not yet anyway. The 787 is going to be.

NS


User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

The 744 is very popular with UA flights from LAX , SFO and ORD .


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Certainly it'd be close on both the 777 and 744 types. I'd love to see some of the magic from the 767 thread bout the real counts.

Sadly, I am not one of those with the patience to do it.

NS


User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

So in which year do we have more A380 than 747s accross the pacific? My money is 2015...(mainly because the number of 747s is going down)   

User currently offlineRentonView From United States of America, joined May 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

From SEA, we now have the following transpac aircraft flying: 744 (BR), 332 (KE, HU), 333 (DL, OZ), 772 (UA), 77W (BR), and 763 (DL). Quite an interesting mix. There's definitely been a shift towards the A330 in recent years; SEA is uniquely positioned for economical A330 and 767 ops to Asia. 767... who woulda thought? Once DL takes delivery of the 788, let's hope we see a flight to HKG. Maybe SYD?

User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2726 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 13):
So in which year do we have more A380 than 747s accross the pacific? My money is 2015...(mainly because the number of 747s is going down)   

I'd be amazed if it was that soon.. I was thinking more like 2020? Maybe?



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 7):

Aren't the 767s primarily stopping in Guam though...as far as I'm aware, the 767s generally don't have the range to do the lower 48 to Japan and further west.



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 2):

Doesn't China Eastern also have an A340 operation out of LAX?



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

767s, A340s, & A380s are a minority over this pond. The 777s and 744s rule. There are some A330 ops.
Here's a breakdown from Japan:

NH 77W: NRT-JFK, IAD, ORD, SFO, & LAX
NH 777: HND-LAX
JL 77W: NRT-JFK, ORD, LAX
JL 777: HND-SFO
JL 763: NRT-YVR
UA 744: NRT-SFO, ORD
UA 777: NRT-LAX, IAD, SEA, EWR, IAH & KIX-SFO
DL 744: NRT-DTW, JFK
DL 777: NRT-MSP, ATL
DL 333: NRT-SEA on 333
DL 332: NRT-LAX & HND-LAX
DL 763: NRT-SFO, PDX & KIX-SEA
AA 777: NRT-JFK, DFW (2), ORD, LAX
SQ 388: NRT-LAX
KE 332: NRT-LAX
AC 77W: NRT-YYZ
AC 763: NRT-YVR
AM 763/777: NRT-TIJ/MEX

Hopefully, I didn't forget any. Please free to correct.


User currently offlineRushmoreAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 18):

CI 744: KIX-JFK
AC 763: NRT-YYC

are two you missed.



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 19):
CI 744: KIX-JFK
AC 763: NRT-YYC

Thanks.
NRT-YYC doesn't operate on winter months. I've read it will be back 5 times weekly Summer 2012.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24800 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 17):
Doesn't China Eastern also have an A340 operation out of LAX?

Yes, daily A340-600 LAX-PVG.


User currently offlineRentonView From United States of America, joined May 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 17):
Aren't the 767s primarily stopping in Guam though...as far as I'm aware, the 767s generally don't have the range to do the lower 48 to Japan and further west.

They do from SEA to PEK, PVG, and KIX!


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8195 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 18):
Hopefully, I didn't forget any. Please free to correct.

You forgot a bunch of HNL-Japan routes  


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 23):
You forgot a bunch of HNL-Japan routes  

How shall we count all those intra-Pacific routes, say GUM-HNL, or LAX-PPT ? Are we including Oceania or just East Asia ?


25 zbbylw : For AC 77W: YVR-HKG, YYZ-NRT, YYZ-PEK, YYZ-PVG 77L: YVR-SYD, YYZ-HKG 763: YVR-ICN, YVR-PVG, YVR-PEK, YVR-NRT 333: Does NRT in the summer from YVR.
26 ordluvr : What about Cathay Pacific? CX 77W ORD-HKG CX 77W JFK-HKG CX 77W LAX-HKG CX 77W HKG-YVR what about routes to Canada?
27 mogandoCI : China Southern 777 CAN to YVR and LAX.
28 JQflightie : Does everyone forget about Australia and QF?? haha QF SYD-LAX A380 and B744 MEL-LAX A380 and B744 BNE-LAX B744 SYD-HNL B763 AKL-LAX A332 JQ SYD-HNL A3
29 gemuser : Has VA withdrawn from SYD-LAX? Gemuser
30 JQflightie : I hope not, sorry overlooked that one ... eekk, lets add it to the list!
31 doug_Or : I kind of think of that as Intra-pacific personally. And PDX-NRT... Wait SEA-PVG? Is that a flight or a rumor?
32 Post contains links BrusselsSouth : Here's a link to a small analysis I made last summer : Summer 2011 Transpacific Flights Offer Data (by BrusselsSouth May 14 2011 in Aviation Polls) Ba
33 Post contains images RentonView : D'oh! Sorry, wishful thinking. SEA-PVG is a 1-stop.
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