OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4680 posts, RR: 24 Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8293 times:
How dare they invade their partner's turf, maybe the dance is over between AA and B6?
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15721 posts, RR: 48 Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8243 times:
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1): How dare they invade their partner's turf, maybe the dance is over between AA and B6?
They've been picking off their partner's Caribbean destinations one by one, so I'm not sure how close they are. I think B6 is clearly defending against NK here--whether or not AA gave them implicit or explicit approval to do so is anyone's guess.
airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3056 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8212 times:
atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8122 times:
Wow DFW, way to go!
Virgin America
Qantas
Emirates
Spirit
Jet Blue
I am surprised DFW-JFK is not the first route but I imagine it's a weak market and not one they want to waste slots on for DFW-JFK since AA only flies it one daily. I wanted to argue the competition with Spirit for DFW-LGA plays a hand but...NK will be flying DFW-BOS as well.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1886 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8042 times:
Wow, I did not see this one coming. Now I'm wondering why BOS-HOU hasn't come yet. This is obviously a reaction to NK, but NK launched LGA service also, and this route is BOS-only. Interesting they would serve one Texas city from one hub and another Texas city from another hub as well as the third Texas city with flights to both hubs.
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1): How dare they invade their partner's turf, maybe the dance is over between AA and B6?
B6 already competes with AA on every other hub route except BOS-MIA (B6 is at FLL), so I don't think that is the case. For that matter, B6 competes with all of pre-merger UA's hub flights also.
Nice to see #44, I thought it would be LGA (that should be coming soon). I'm happy to see that PVD is under review for future service as well.
texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4204 posts, RR: 54 Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8027 times:
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 4): I am surprised DFW-JFK is not the first route but I imagine it's a weak market and not one they want to waste slots on for DFW-JFK since AA only flies it one daily. I wanted to argue the competition with Spirit for DFW-LGA plays a hand but...NK will be flying DFW-BOS as well.
They've been discussing DFW-BOS for over a year. JFK isn't as high on the radar because the DFW-New York market already has three majors offering at least dailies (AA, DL, UA) and B6 wanted to go to a less crowded market. Glad to see them in DFW and hope to see them, in a few years, at DAL
Texan
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planeguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7991 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 5): I thought it would be LGA (that should be coming soon).
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10649 posts, RR: 100 Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7979 times:
Am I the only one who thinks B6 will slowly connect DFW to their 'hubs?' SFO (or OAK), JFK, MCO, FLL?
Note: I doubt LGB/LAX due to VX already serving DFW. But perhaps far in the future?
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1): How dare they invade their partner's turf, maybe the dance is over between AA and B6?
That was my first thought. What happened to AA and B6 playing nice?
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2): think B6 is clearly defending against NK here--whether or not AA gave them implicit or explicit approval to do so is anyone's guess.
airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3056 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 4): What's wrong with Spirit?! :P You already had another option that's not AA
haha...would you accept "six one way, half a dozen the other" as an acceptable answer?
I think the last time I went to DFW, I flew CO through EWR...that was cheapest!
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1886 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7805 times:
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1727 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7678 times:
this is AWESOME! Makes me so happy to see new carriers coming into DFW and competing against AA. Best of luck to B6! These flights should do well and offer better schedules as an alternative to NK. Woof.
gdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7568 times:
Great news for DFW... it certainly seems like some parties are smelling AA blood and trying to nip in while AA may not be so readily able to defend DFW as they have in the past. First NK with several extra destinations, now B6 finally starts DFW service. Will VX expand?
CO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7569 times:
It's about time B6!!!! I was wondering what was taking them so long to serve the metroplex!
I should've flown with someone else or gone by car cause United breaks guitars.
legend500 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7496 times:
As texan (who is from New Zealand) rightly noted, DFW-BOS has been kicked around by B6 for years. The real interesting part comes in 2014, when B6 tries to start BOS/JFK/MCO-DAL.
freakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 526 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7154 times:
This just made my day. Now I don't have to change terminals when I fly to PVC. Welcome Jet Blue. DAL is gate limited regardless of the Wright Amendment expiration in 2014. I sought if B6 will be coming to DAL.
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3119 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6947 times:
Quoting gdg9 (Reply 14): First NK with several extra destinations, now B6 finally starts DFW service. Will VX expand?
These services were being talked about long before AA filed for bankruptcy, and I dare say would have been announced either way.
NK's expansion at DFW is driven by two factors:
-WIN buying FL and removing it from the market;
-The large population West of DFW that likes low fares but isn't convinced to drive to DAL to fly WN. That market was largely untapped at DFW (FL flight to ATL excepted).
As for B6, I think it was just time. DFW was one of the largest, if not the largest untapped market left, it was only a matter of time before they came in.
spchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6886 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8): Am I the only one who thinks B6 will slowly connect DFW to their 'hubs?' SFO (or OAK), JFK, MCO, FLL?
Note: I doubt LGB/LAX due to VX already serving DFW. But perhaps far in the future?
VX already doing it would be precisely why we would connect LGB and SFO to DFW. If for no other reason to lower the yield that VX gets on the route(s)
usairways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6826 times:
I wonder if they will be hiring actual employees, or contracting it out.
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BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1886 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6822 times:
Quoting usairways787 (Reply 20): I wonder if they will be hiring actual employees, or contracting it out.
What makes you wonder that? I wouldn't be surprised if some deal between AA and B6 are in the works, but I don't think they would (or even could) do that.
gdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6458 times:
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 18): These services were being talked about long before AA filed for bankruptcy, and I dare say would have been announced either way.
Perhaps so.Either way, good to see new service at DFW!
JHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6385 times:
If there was ever proof that a merger is happening this is it!
On a serious note great news for DFW I'm a huge B6 fan.
RUSH
25 nkops: I was kind of surprised at this one, do you need to go after NK who is running 1 flight on the route which is timed as a red-eye?? I thought LGA would
26 Emirates202: AA flys JFK DFW like 3 times a day
27 jetbluefan1: This was definitely something I did not expect, especially given B6's overwhelming concentration on Caribbean flying. That being said, this makes perf
28 jfklganyc: Gonna be an ugly bloodbath . . . like BWI-BOS, only with more fuel being wasted on a longer flight. 100% agree that this market was needed for B6, but
29 MaverickM11: LGA is clearly the preferred airport, so with an LCC in LGA I'm not sure B6 would have a chance at JFK. B6 hasn't been very successful with JFKHOU, s
30 airbazar: I was laughed at just a few months ago when I suggested that B6 would be taking over more of AA's flying from BOS and that it was just a matter of ti
31 Blueman87: hopefully soon i think it would be great for them
32 jetMARC: AA flies DFW-JFK once daily as does DL.... On the other hand, AA serves LGA from DFW with 15 daily flights. Edited to add that I REALLY hope we connec
33 atrude777: Show me... My Source.. AA.com Show AA operating one flight DFW-JFK Flight 400 Dprt 10:40am Arrive: 2:59pm Arcft: 737-800 Alex
34 gdg9: I see these will be on E190s... anyone have an idea on schedules yet for these flights?
35 LAXdude1023: Glad to see B6 at DFW! I dont see what the fuss is. I see this as B6 and AA getting closer, not at war with each other. There is room in the market fo
36 slcdeltarumd11: This was just a totally necessary ad that jetblue needed to make its customers happy they are slowly working on dominating BOS they need to serve all
37 jetMARC: Boston (BOS) to Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW): 7:30 a.m. - 10:45 a.m. 1:50 p.m. - 5:05 p.m. 6:50 p.m. - 10:05 p.m. Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to Boston (BOS):
39 FURUREFA: Pretty sure that would be in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act....
40 mogandoCI: That's actually horrible timing to connect to the evening European bank out of JFK. I guess AA really prefers to send people via LHR - which is much
41 icebird757: I heard this is only BOS-DFW with no connecting the dots planned. They are focusing on business travel here.
42 727LOVER: Just curious, what was B6 last new destination in the states and when?
43 SATexan: Great News! I am looking forward to B6 adding some flights to DFW from upstate NY (BUF, SYR, ALB and ROC).
44 N757ST: Off the top of my head, I want to say BDL last year.
45 airbazar: Texas? Just barely but 8.4% is nothing to be proud of, especially when so much of your unemployed work force is made up of illegal aliens who do not
46 mogandoCI: Wow I didn't know an average 3 hour layover is considered "well-timed", especially for a connection that doesn't involve immigration, re-clearing sec
47 Flytravel: Wouldn't those be long and thin routes? How about ROC-BOS to permit ROC-BOS-DFW?
48 mogandoCI: This new route confuses me even more. Does B6 want to be AA's friend or enemy ? Taking away one of AA's few golden goose....
49 jetMARC: Maybe they are going to focus on partnering with B6 even more so to bring down costs during this bankruptcy... here are some JFK routes(from the OAG
50 LAXdude1023: How would it confuse you? Starting a route to your partners biggest hub seems extremely reasonable.
51 mogandoCI: That's assuming B6 code-shares a lot of routes out of DFW (does it ?), or BOS-DFW itself is also code-shared. The "geese" is the pricing premium adva
52 LAXdude1023: This is their first flight out of DFW, so we will have to see.
53 crosswinds21: A three hour connection would not be well timed if you're talking about something like LGA-DFW-PHX. However, when you're talking about connecting at
54 ScottB: ...because WN hasn't announced it yet. The chances of that are vanishingly small.
55 milemaster: I've all but given up on flying monthly AA DFW-BOS due to the fares and the 100% failure to upgrade rate. To me, it's just easier to take US 3393 DFW-
56 flyingcaT: Since when is SFO or OAK considered a hub. OAK services their main cities in the east and LGB. SFO is the same with only AUS as the only unique city.
57 blink182: I'm amazed with how much B6 has built up BOS over the past few years. Does anybody know if they will need extra gates in the near future? The AA side
58 richierich: Random post of the day! I hate the whole 'protecting one's turf' mentality that airlines have. Sadly, you are probably right - if WN announced HOU-BO
59 gdg9: B6 has 23.79% of BOS traffic, according to BTS numbers. US is second at 13.76%
60 airbazar: It makes sense as it benefits both airlines, IF it leads to AA reducing their own frequencies in favor of codesharing with B6, which I believe it wil
61 MaverickM11: I never understood why B6 bothered with that--what is there to protect? They'd be better off going after WN's top ODs beyond BWI, which they probably
62 BOStonsox: Yes, they'll probably announce it shortly after WN does, but why wait? JFK-HOU must be struggling enough for them to be reluctant to start BOS-HOU, b
63 jfklganyc: "That route is different, it has room for three carriers, is very high-yielding, and Boston-Washington is a huge market. I'm sure B6 is doing fine." N
64 NASBWI: The frequency on BOS-IAD usually declines this time of year. During the summer, however, it's not uncommon to see 5x daily, with at least 2 of those
65 jetMARC: Our press releases only mention focus cities as follows... "JetBlue is New York's Hometown Airline(TM) with other focus cities in Boston, Fort Lauder
66 jetMARC: ... and for that matter, IAD isnt considered a focus city anymore either nor AUS.
67 IrishAyes: They had just as much justification for going for it as WN did. One carrier was unheard of in BOS at the time (WN) and the other was unheard of in BW
68 MaverickM11: Yes but WN needs to be in BOS; B6 needs to be in BWI like it needs to be in ISP, or RFD.
69 lightsaber: Ok. It stikes me that B6 will add more 'business travel' once they have a toe hold into DFW. I should have said focus city. My list still stands as w
70 BOStonsox: Fares will go low to be competitive, but B6 wants to keep as large a presence in the largest market from BOS as it can get, and will make sure they g
71 LAXdude1023: If B6 gets their cards right with AA, this would be an excellent place to expand. There is room for an LCC to operate out of DFW and if they set up a
72 747400sp: I hope LAX do not lose third place as the busiest airport in the US because of this. It is nice having my home town airport, beating one of the over
73 ScottB: Sure, that's why B6 announced they would fly BOS-BWI nine days after WN did. Or why B6 announced BOS-EWR two business days after WN's slot lease at E
74 commavia: Cool for DFW - will be nice to see JetBlue around town. And I still think that statement is ridiculous, frankly. This in absolutely no way implies tha
75 IrishAyes: B6 transformed BOS into a very LCC-friendly market. Previously, it was all about MHT and PVD, which have been longtime WN stations. Once realized the
76 KC135TopBoom: A Kiwi who wears spurs and a cowboy hat? I had been hoping DL would return to DFW, at least as a focus city if not a hub, now that AA is in bankruptc
77 MaverickM11: Right but B6 has no hope to get anything but local traffic in BWIBOS, which has to be the pits that competes with Amtrak and shared rides on I95. It
78 tharanga: That's too far for road/rail to be a realistic alternative. BOS-NYC, absolutely, amtrak is competition to flying, and I prefer amtrak there. BOS-PHL,
79 BOStonsox: This link has a list of the top 20 markets from BOS and whether B6 serves them: http://boardingarea.com/blogs/things...7/jetblue-announces-boston-dall
80 bos2laf: There is also connecting feed via BOS. It's not an ideal connection, but if someone wants to fly B6 to or from the West Coast, Florida, or the Caribb
81 airbazar: I'm sticking to my statement. We'll come back to it in another 2 years or so JFK went from an almost hourly operation to 3 daily now, after B6 entere
82 commavia: Yes we will. I am going on record right here and now as saying that I feel very strongly that if AA in two years is flying 2-3 daily flights BOS-DFW/
83 airbazar: The assumption is that the market size will continue to grow despite the increase in seats offered which hasn't been the case. If AA if flying 9x day
84 commavia: No, the assumption is that the new entrants, with lower fares, will stimulate traffic, and while AA may see some share shift, it will still have more
85 MaverickM11: I've never understood why a.net thinks that when an airline is in CH11 their route planning department goes on vacation.
86 airbazar: But the evidence in BOS over the the last 10 years says otherwise. WN, B6, VX all have entered this marker over the last 10 years and yet, the number
87 BOStonsox: I thought we went up? Maybe not by much, but we were up.
88 commavia: Overall, that may well be the case. But the bottom line, again, is that between a mixture of market stimulation and market share shift, AA and any ne
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