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Qatar Airways To Start 5th Daily Heathrow  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 740 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

http://www.qatarairways.com/global/en/latest-press-releases.page
Qatar Airways is to introduce a fifth daily flight between Doha and London Heathrow from the start of the Northern Summer schedules on March 25 next year.
QR075 DOH0635 – 1200LHR 77L D
QR076 LHR1600 – 0050+1DOH 77L D

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User currently offlinehooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Wow. I thought Heathrow was slot restricted. How is it that airlines can keep adding frequencies?

User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8607 times:

LHR is amazing isn't it? The sheer volume of demand boggles me! There are many similar sized cities worldwide but no one can match the diversity & frequency of international traffic at LHR it seems. JFK & FRA are right up there too. Good for LHR & QR. I was really hoping that QR would serve YYZ but alas they chose YUL.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

That's the old LGW flight numbers too.

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):

4 hours on the ground seems like a lot.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

Quoting hooverman (Reply 1):
Wow. I thought Heathrow was slot restricted. How is it that airlines can keep adding frequencies?

There are ways and means of getting slots at LHR. Maybe QR bought from another carrier ? As you know, slots are valuable and that's one reason why cash-strapped CSA exited LHR ... it needed the money from sellling off its LHR slots.


User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8338 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 2):


LHR is amazing isn't it? The sheer volume of demand boggles me! There are many similar sized cities worldwide but no one can match the diversity & frequency of international traffic at LHR it seems.

Next year we'll likely see a notable increase in capacity and/or frequency by all carriers into LHR (and a lesser extent all other UK airports) for the summer season as we will have not only the Olympics and Paralympics from July to August, but also the Queen's Diamond Jubilee on top of all the other major international events that happen annually over the summer.

It seems London is the place to be for Summer 2012.

Cheers,
MCO 2 BRS


User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12430 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

Good news; presumably they bought the slots off another carrier.

Also good news that they're using a 77L; that's about the only carrier using 77Ls (apart from AI) to do this. It's a type on my "must fly" list, along with the 345, 380 and 787!


User currently offlinehooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8208 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 5):
There are ways and means of getting slots at LHR. Maybe QR bought from another carrier ? As you know, slots are valuable and that's one reason why cash-strapped CSA exited LHR ... it needed the money from sellling off its LHR slots.

So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8208 times:

I'm surpised QR needs the capacity. I've flown LHR-DOH-XXX a few times, and there have always been plenty of seats. Maybe I've just been lucky. Perhaps QR really DO need the A380.


http://my.flightmemory.com/shefgab Upcoming flights:STN-SNN-STN,MAN-LHR-ARN-OSL-TOS-LYR-OSL-CPH-LHR,LCY-ARN-AMS-LGW-DXB-
User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7926 times:

I've flown QR a number of times from LHR and the flights can be at 100%, especially the overnighter, but more like 25-30% on others. I always appreciate the empty flights.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

There's no need for QR to make money really.... Be good to see the more LR at LHR!

User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 4):
4 hours on the ground seems like a lot.

Maybe they could not get better slots?



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 3):
That's the old LGW flight numbers too.

Yeah! Would love to have seen QR stay but I guess LHR is better suited for them.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):
So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

It depends on the route. I feel that PRG is not a high yield route given the competition from LCCs. It's the long-haul routes which are most profitable out of LHR.


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Also good news that they're using a 77L; that's about the only carrier using 77Ls (apart from AI) to do this.

AC has also used 77Ls in LHR on occasion, indeed a flight of mine from YYZ is my only 77L flight thus far.

Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):

So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

On the surface it may appear to be a profitable (THE profitable) place to be but for some airlines the high costs of operating there coupled with fleet and other issues have caused scale-backs or withdrawals outright. In the last few years MA, OK, BW, JM, Bellview and Virgin Nigeria have left and HM are leaving soon.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlinejer757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):
So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

Not to mention BD who have been losing untold £millions over the past few years...



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

If your airline cannot make LHR pay, there's a structural problem with your airline. Read that list again methinks...

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Quoting santos (Thread starter):
QR075 DOH0635 – 1200LHR 77L D

The new flight is 0635, the other flights are 0715 and 0750, in addition to the 1720 and 0150 flight. (the times are roughly estimated). So, 3 flights within an hour and a half? The flights are not evenly distributed.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
So, 3 flights within an hour and a half? The flights are not evenly distributed.

Once again, that was maybe the only dep/arr slots they could get at LHR.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

Great to Qatar expand, by far my favourite carrier!  
Quoting hooverman (Reply 8):

So there are actually carriers pulling away from LHR. I thought it would be a goldmine.

Unfortunately so...

It is mainly the smaller European flag carriers that are suffering and pulling out of LHR...

These carriers offer very few connections through their respective hubs, and these are to places that passengers can already fly to directly.

Also for the likes of CSA, it's the low cost carriers that are killing them... While these airlines might not fly to LHR, they still fly to the London area to the likes of LTN, LGW and STN, and usually at a far lower price.

Also if one of these small European carriers flies several times daily to LHR, they will have peak time slots, and these can be sold for literally millions of pounds if there is demand.


User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
If your airline cannot make LHR pay, there's a structural problem with your airline. Read that list again methinks...

Not really. Yields from LHR to many US cities, especially JFK and BOS, are in the toilet and LHR is very much a high cost airport. There's a true network advantage to flying to LHR and doing so from many destinations, which may or may not offset the high cost of doing business at LHR. But it's not exactly a "goldmine" in a pure revenue/yield management and pricing sense; it may do well from a networking planning point of view, however.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Another slot going to the Gulf airlines, nothing to be excited about. Hope this madness stops and we won't see EK and QR operate more than 5 daily each.


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 21):
Yields from LHR to many US cities, especially JFK and BOS, are in the toilet and LHR is very much a high cost airport.

Odd that LHR-JFK is one of BA's better yielding routes. Must be imagining things. My bad.


User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):
Odd that LHR-JFK is one of BA's better yielding routes. Must be imagining things. My bad.

I think you'll find that the J/F cabin are mostly deep corporate disounts, and that Y has a significant percentage of el cheapo Y fares connecting to Europe.


25 Pe@rson : Why?
26 jet72uk : Crazy to have 5 flights a day to DOH. + the BA one.
27 Pe@rson : Evidently a large part of QR's traffic would be connecting beyond its DOH hub.
28 Post contains links Viscount724 : Air Seychelles is also ending LHR service next month, currently 2 x week, as part of their plan to terminate all of their Europe services by the end
29 ACES320 : Corporate discounts does not mean operating straight at a loss. Quite the opposite. Revenue Managers dread uncertainty. The capacity manager's nightm
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