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Delta Celebrates 5 Years In Africa  
User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

http://www.eturbonews.com/26706/delt...five-historic-years-serving-africa


Time has really passed by quickly. It really didn't seem that long ago that they began with the ATL-DKR-JNB. Now they serve six different cities in five countries and still expanding.
What do you see on the plans for DL i the coming years? They seem to be setting up a small mini hub in ACC. Will this be expanded into a regional hub?
With United now in the foray, it will be very interesting. I always hoped AA will also join in, but that doesn't look likely in any foreseeable future.

Congrats again to DL!!   


RyEng
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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5433 times:
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Here's an entry on the Delta blog from the ACC station manager:

http://blog.delta.com/2011/12/02/marking-a-5-year-milestone-in-africa/


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5202 times:
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Africa has been for Delta "the Undiscovered Continent". IT started small and now covers all parts and has the most unique flight in the Delta route system, the 777LR from J'berg( high altitude) to Atlanta which is 16 hours long nonstop.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Africa has been for Delta "the Undiscovered Continent". IT started small and now covers all parts and has the most unique flight in the Delta route system, the 777LR from J'berg( high altitude) to Atlanta which is 16 hours long nonstop.

East Africa is still lacking. Does Cairo (which has been suspended) qualify as East Africa in the same sense as Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania, etc etc.


User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

NBO is still on the someday list I think. Which would make sense to link up to the KQ hub. But if/when/etc....well, that's another question.

FWIW, KQ J class intra-Africa is quite decent.

Could someone remind me or correct me, did DL not buy the Africa routes from Pan Am?

Dave



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User currently offlineFlyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2019 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

I was talking to a Delta pilot who rotated himself off 767/757 flying to strictly domestic when DL started using those aircraft to Africa, he said a lot of crew had come down with illnesses and hated the stop-overs and he didn't want to deal with any of that....any truth to what he was saying or is it just anecdotal?

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

I have heard a lot of stories of illness from not just DL but AF and others. I can't speak to the veracity of the reports, but I'm sure its a situation.

NS


User currently offlinessublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 3):
East Africa is still lacking. Does Cairo (which has been suspended) qualify as East Africa in the same sense as Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania, etc etc.

Cairo, Egypt is technically North Africa, but regionally could be lumped under Middle east as well.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting ssublyme (Reply 7):
Quoting luckyone (Reply 3):
East Africa is still lacking. Does Cairo (which has been suspended) qualify as East Africa in the same sense as Kenya, Ethiopia, Tanzania, etc etc.

Cairo, Egypt is technically North Africa, but regionally could be lumped under Middle east as well.

In terms of IATA statistics, traffic reports etc., Egypt has always been part of the the Middle East region. The only country considered as North Africa as far as IATA is concerned is Libya. Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are part of the Europe region.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

I remember the code share with SAA and the SAA 747 parked at T3 at JFK inches away from the glass!

User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

DL: Celebrating 5 years of doing the hokey pokey all over Africa   

But in all seriousness, DL has begun figuring it's Africa strategy out...albeit through trial and error, but figured out nonetheless. They were the first US carrier to expand significantly into sub-Saharan Africa since the good ol' days and they deserve a lot of respect for doing so!



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 10):
DL: Celebrating 5 years of doing the hokey pokey all over Africa

Ha!! LAD definitely was like that.

I do hope that NBO can get started sometime soon. Does anyone have any ideas on whether JFK-XXX-NBO or ATL-XXX-NBO would be better?

Also of note is that they've had ACC-SSG on their route map as a "new route" for months now...



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):

Heck, I remember SAA's daily Atlanta flight. That thing ran for years. Did the stop BEFORE or AFTER DL started JNB?



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 11):
I do hope that NBO can get started sometime soon. Does anyone have any ideas on whether JFK-XXX-NBO or ATL-XXX-NBO would be better?

Well, it depends what you mean by XXX......

You can go via AMS from both and connect to KLM. Or go via LHR and connect to KQ.

But seriously, I think JFK would be the more likely gateway, but that's a gut feeling. I suspect that NBO could be a non-stop from JFK on a 777, but currently TSA doesn't like NBO security (it isn't sufficient apparently).

I know the flight was long shown as a continuation from Dakar (I believe), but I wonder if there would be enough traffic to support the stop? Would DL have 5th Freedom rights?

Finally, could a JFK - NBO non stop be cheaper? Especially if there were expanded code-shares in East Africa?

I do wonder if we'll see DL expand to Durbin (South Africa), or other African destinations.

Dave



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4330 times:
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Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
But seriously, I think JFK would be the more likely gateway, but that's a gut feeling. I suspect that NBO could be a non-stop from JFK on a 777, but currently TSA doesn't like NBO security (it isn't sufficient apparently).

I remember when DL was about a day from flying to NBO and the TSA cancelled their flights. But if the TSA is "right" why would the UK and other European governments not have the same problem. BA, Virgin, KLM, and all the main Euro Airlines fly to NBO, safely since no news is "safe" news ?


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
But if the TSA is "right" why would the UK and other European governments not have the same problem. BA, Virgin, KLM, and all the main Euro Airlines fly to NBO, safely since no news is "safe" news ?

I tend to agree with you. The European carriers have no issue. But I can remember when Lagos Airport was posted all over the US as having insufficient security. It does make you wonder.

Having flown in Africa, I can assure you that the security there in my experience was as good I've seen in the US. Same metal detectors, hand-wanding, no liquids, etc.

And as we all know, TSA has more than once missed weapons, etc in pax bags.

Dave



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Congrats to DL, they have an impressive operation to Africa. I am glad UA/CO have followed them into this previously unchartered waters for US carriers...at least recently unchartered.

User currently offlineretrolivery From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
TSA doesn't like NBO security (it isn't sufficient apparently).

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

DL's been flying to Cairo since the 1990s!!!!


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23308 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
I remember when DL was about a day from flying to NBO and the TSA cancelled their flights. But if the TSA is "right" why would the UK and other European governments not have the same problem. BA, Virgin, KLM, and all the main Euro Airlines fly to NBO, safely since no news is "safe" news ?

Do we know what, specifically, TSA's concern is?



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User currently offlinelouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 11):
I do hope that NBO can get started sometime soon. Does anyone have any ideas on whether JFK-XXX-NBO or ATL-XXX-NBO would be better?

Maybe a JFK/ATL-ACC-NBO. That looks viable, but then will that stop be more attractive than transiting via LHR or AMS
Will there be a significant difference between them in terms of time/distance?



RyEng
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2244 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
DL's been flying to Cairo since the 1990s!!!!

Nooooo....I think you're confusing it with IST. DL started JFKCAI in 2001, dropped it, then restarted a few years later.,

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Do we know what, specifically, TSA's concern is?

Unsure. Speculation = something to do with the Christmas eve near bombing in 2009? Idk.



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User currently offlinessublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21):
Unsure. Speculation = something to do with the Christmas eve near bombing in 2009? Idk.

No, didn't have anything to do with that. It is more so related to threats received from Somali Pirates off the cost of East Africa. Nairobi isn't too far off if they were to make good and attack US interests.


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):

In terms of IATA statistics, traffic reports etc., Egypt has always been part of the the Middle East region. The only country considered as North Africa as far as IATA is concerned is Libya. Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are part of the Europe region.

Perhaps IATA should consult the UN classification of countries and use that? After all, it is an organ of the UN, isn't it?

Quoting Tdan (Reply 10):
But in all seriousness, DL has begun figuring it's Africa strategy out

Honest question: what is their strategy, AFAYK.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 13):
Finally, could a JFK - NBO non stop be cheaper? Especially if there were expanded code-shares in East Africa?

Given the TSA hurdle, perhaps a KQ NBO-JFK is the way to go with the Dreamliner whenever they get theirs.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 15):

I tend to agree with you. The European carriers have no issue.

Well, they are not US carriers, the threats are not the same to all carriers I would presume. I am not sure the real reasons are public knowledge so hard to say if it is justified or not. Gotta give them the benefit of the doubt I guess.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 23):
Honest question: what is their strategy, AFAYK.

Very good question.

From what it seems, try something, if it works, keep it. If not, cut it. They seem to be figuring it out because there are fewer and fewer ideas to try out and only the routes that would logically make sense have stuck around.



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25 Viscount724 : IATA is an airline trade association, totally unrelated to the UN or any other government bodies. You're thinking of ICAO, the UN body that coordinat
26 kotoka : There's a lot of money to be made on African regional routes with the right destination pairings, schedule, aircraft, etc. Delta's strategy appears t
27 thegoldenargosy : My FA friends from the DL NYC say there are often FA's in the hospital with malaria. I know that some crewmembers have died from illnesses contracted
28 kiwiandrew : You know? or you have heard it on the grapevine?
29 ETinCaribe : Thanks for the correction Viscount724, I should have looked it up. Still, having for instance, Morocco and Algeria in Europe doesn't make much sense
30 thegoldenargosy : It's common knowledge in the company that both pilots and flight attendants have died from illnesses contracted during African layovers. Most crew tr
31 kiwiandrew : If it has happened I am sorry to hear of it, but I also have dealt with this industry long enough to be aware that a lot of things which are 'common
32 Post contains links pcbm : What utter BULL -- I have been commuting to Africa for seven years now -- while Malaria concerning -- it is easily tratable if caught on time -- I fi
33 Post contains links pcbm : Sorry -- continuation of previous post" This link is to the Journal of Travel medicine and a study Airline Crews -- Risk for Malaria on Layovers in Ur
34 Flyer732 : Its all such a joke. I've been flying in far far worse areas of Africa than Delta crews go for the past 7 years and I've never once gotten sick. Has
35 Davescj : I agree that the 5th freedom rights are key. Also the cargo movement I am sure is important. But why dedicated gates? The lounge is contract (per DL
36 kotoka : Yes, you're right. It's the Akwaaba lounge and it's per contract. I guess what I meant by "lounge" facilities was more along the lines of dedicated s
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