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Japan Airlines Announces Routes For New Boeing 787  
User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 569 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18950 times:

In addition to BOS, new JAL 787 flights announced. Keeping my fingers crossed for JAL to announce NRT-MIA (with the 787) in the near future .

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Japan-...-announces-apf-1498324466.html?x=0

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 18635 times:

Nice! HND-PEK is not surprising. The choice of DEL and DME is interesting! I can't wait to see more carriers receive their 787s.


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17921 times:

So far we have:

HND-PEK
NRT-BOS
NRT-DEL
NRT-DME

Are all of these brand new routes or does JL currently serve any of them? If they do serve them, what aircraft are the 787s replacing?

I'm also hoping for a MIA flight!
Is there any service from Japan to ORD at the moment?

Cheers,
AA1818



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17806 times:

BOS is totally new, PEK they already go to, but not sure if from HND or NRT. DME and DEL are existing. I would think an MIA flight would be perfect for 787, I could see good loads.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
Is there any service from Japan to ORD at the moment?

They fly the 77W now. It is my understanding that flight does pretty well, I am guessing it will stay a 77W.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17348 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17758 times:

Why is JL installing an old outdated J seat on the 787? It's not even lie flat?


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User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17724 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
Are all of these brand new routes or does JL currently serve any of them? If they do serve them, what aircraft are the 787s replacing?
BOS is the only new route for JL

DEL and DME are served by a 772 and PEK is served by a 763

[Edited 2011-12-08 10:15:03]

User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17601 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Why is JL installing an old outdated J seat on the 787? It's not even lie flat?

Surprising too ... athough it doesn't specifically mention this in the article. Was this information confirmed elsewhere?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17348 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17261 times:

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 6):
Surprising too ... athough it doesn't specifically mention this in the article. Was this information confirmed elsewhere?

I saw it here:

http://jal-pak.blogspot.com/2011/12/...-use-jal-shell-flat-neo-seats.html



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17202 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
HND-PEK
NRT-BOS
NRT-DEL
NRT-DME

Seems odd to have one HND route and the rest from NRT. That would involve ferrying airplanes between the two or separate fleets.



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8506 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16832 times:
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Would be now if we had some dates of these services to commence, yes we have BOS, but the HND-PEK is of more interest to me.


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User currently offlinethreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16536 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):

Seems odd to have one HND route and the rest from NRT. That would involve ferrying airplanes between the two

Or they could fly the plane to Osaka or Sapporo from one airport and return to the other. JL serves both cities from NRT and HND.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16241 times:

Quoting threepoint (Reply 10):
Or they could fly the plane to Osaka or Sapporo from one airport and return to the other. JL serves both cities from NRT and HND.

I am surprised they are not building long haul from some of the secondary Japanese markets, I could see a 787 working well from some of these cities.


User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 14279 times:

What about resume GRU via JFK?

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13111 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
HND-PEK
NRT-BOS
NRT-DEL
NRT-DME

Was hoping for Miami to be in the JAL 787 list of new US destinations.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12969 times:

Pretty pumped about the NRT-BOS route...

thoughts on what it might cost to ride in coach? $1200 seem reasonable?



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12899 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Was hoping for Miami to be in the JAL 787 list of new US destinations.

I'm still hoping, but rumor has it AA will operate it with the 77W.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12702 times:
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Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
I'm still hoping, but rumor has it AA will operate it with the 77W.

Thats a lot of airplane for AA to launch a route to Japan they can't feed with domestic passengers. Except perhaps from Tampa and Orlando.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6868 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

What I really want to know is when and where (and if) they'll be flying domestically for a few months to build up experience.

I've been on an NH 787. Gotta get on a JL one before I leave Japan in July next year!


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
I'm still hoping, but rumor has it AA will operate it with the 77W.

Thats a lot of airplane for AA to launch a route to Japan they can't feed with domestic passengers. Except perhaps from Tampa and Orlando.

It's really not a lot of plane at all. Florida-NRT is around 130 PDEW. And that is just to Narita. 787 is too low density for the fares, which are not particularly high.



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11231 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):
Is there any service from Japan to ORD at the moment?

AA, JL, NH and UA all have daily flights between ORD-NRT. UA used to fly to KIX some time ago.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10750 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):

Was hoping for Miami to be in the JAL 787 list of new US destinations.

Perhaps after their fleet grows.

Perhaps we'll also see LAX-NGO/KIX as these were previously served with MD11s once they have a good number of a/c. Seems like the 788s would be a good fit for these markets.


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10750 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):
Seems odd to have one HND route and the rest from NRT. That would involve ferrying airplanes between the two or separate fleets.

The two bases mean most likely differing cabin configurations.
Since BOS, DME, & DEL are all long-haul flights while the HND-PEK is a short-haul int'l flight that could be operated by a common with domestic flights.

JL has posted on their website that they will receive their first 787 in late March, yet the start of the NRT-BOS remains unchanged. They are going to have a very short time between receipt and start of a long-haul run. Not something that occurred previously at this ultra-conservative airline but this is not the same airline it was a few years ago, when it took a good two months of training just to get domestic services started on the 738. I guess we will see if the schedule sticks.

Personnaly, I think the NRT-BOS will not start until at the earliest June.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

Is NRT-SYD in the pipe line???

EK413



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User currently offlineAeroSafari From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Nov 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

Quote:
The airline, known as JAL, said the in-flight entertainment system for its 787s will include electronic manga...The carrier is collaborating with major publisher Shogakukan Inc. and eBook Initiative Japan Co. on the service.

A neat feature to add. It will be the first of its kind. How suiting for JAL. Should be interesting to see how successful it is. I know some friends would be more then happen to try it out on the new route from BOS.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

I've flown JL DEL-NRT-DEL both on JA707J, the smaller loads of a 787 should make the route a lot more viable than a 772, though that said the plane was 100% on the DEL-NRT leg and I was upped to Y+, on the way back, loads were 40% at beast across the plane. The other good thing will be that the 787 will have better interiors than the 777-200ER


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25 SKAirbus : I wonder if JL will consider adding HND-LHR to compliment the BA service and the NRT service? Do they still have slots left?
26 carpethead : They would need an early morning (around 0600 local) slot at LHR. Then turnaround departure slot at around 0900/1100 range to fit with the operation
27 redrooster3 : Could SAN be down the road anytime soon? No doubt in my mind it has to be for either ANA or JL
28 gstepho : What will happen to the 2 772 & the 763 that will be replaced. Will JL use them to existing destinations or restart old destinations or start new
29 ha763 : I expect that 2 more 772s will be sent to HNL to replace the 767. These aircraft will either be reconfigured or replace 2-class 772ERs on other route
30 gigneil : Why the biggest shiniest plane? They could easily operate such a short route with a 772, at least to get going. Will just the best product be enough
31 mah4546 : A 772 cannot easily operate this route with a full passenger and cargo load, especially west-bound.
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