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787 Sets Speed And Distance World Records  
User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 887 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 28794 times:

EVERETT, Wash., Dec. 8, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) has established two world records with the 787 Dreamliner, setting new marks for both speed and distance for the airplane's weight class.

"Speed and distance capabilities are fundamental to the value the 787 brings to the market," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program. "These records are a great way to demonstrate that this airplane is the game-changer we have promised."

The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner is the first airplane to provide both long distance capabilities with mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating), allowing airlines to open new, non-stop routes preferred by the traveling public. The airplane is 20 percent more fuel efficient than similarly sized airplanes.

The sixth 787, ZA006, powered by General Electric GEnx engines, departed from Boeing Field in Seattle at 11:02 a.m. on Dec. 6 and set the distance record for its class (440,000-550,000 lbs.) with a 10,710 nmi (19,835 km) flight to Dhaka, Bangladesh, with credit for 10,337 nmi (19,144 km). This record had previously been held by the Airbus A330 based on a 9,127 nmi (16,903 km) flight in 2002.

Following an approximately two-hour stop for refueling in Dhaka, the airplane returned to Seattle on a 9,734 nmi (18,027 km) flight. The airplane landed at 5:29 a.m. on Dec. 8, setting a new record for speed around the world (eastbound) with a total trip time of 42 hours and 27 minutes. There was no previous around-the-world speed record for this weight class.

The 787 carried six pilots, an observer for the National Aeronautic Association (NAA), and operations and other Boeing employees – 13 people in total.

Flight routing on the first segment of the journey took the airplane from Seattle across the U.S. to Nantucket. After crossing the Atlantic Ocean, the airplane entered European air space at Santiago, Spain, and proceeded down the Mediterranean, across Egypt to Luxor, across the Middle East and over India to Bangladesh. On the second segment, the Dreamliner flew over Singapore, the Philippines and Guam before entering U.S. airspace over Honolulu and returning to Seattle.

Boeing holds world records for longest distance flights in five weight classes with records set by the KC-135, 767-200ER (extended range), 777-200 and 777-200LR (longer range). The 777-200 also holds the speed record for its weight class.


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2062

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User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28733 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):

Nice to see some positive news from the 787 for a change, congrats Boeing   


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28737 times:

This is totally awesome!! It shows this plane can be a beast! Granated most will never be flown with 13 people or on that routing but its good to know the capabilities of the plane.


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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5479 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28484 times:

Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.   

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 28356 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.   

Yeah... Once they get those dilithium crystals straightened out, they should be good for 26,000 nm  



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 28123 times:

What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways. But as well the B772LR as any A340 that had flown with it could have refuled it to get a bit further - not to speak of B748 or A380...

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27985 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways. But as well the B772LR as any A340 that had flown with it could have refuled it to get a bit further - not to speak of B748 or A380...

Wow, what brought that on?

Practically alone?

A332/3, 764, 772, DC10-15, L1011-200/500, 788

What this trip demonstrates is that this aircraft is the most advanced in it's class. That it can fly far further than anything of this size before, and at a lower trip cost.

Just as the A380 shows that you can go big and heavy and still outperform anything smaller and lighter that came before, the 788 shows you can go small and still have the range performance of a heavier aircraft, with the economy of a lighter/shorter range aircraft.

I do find it funny that Boeing says they set a new record for fastest around the world in the category, and then said nobody else ever tried (or recorded it correctly). You'd have to believe that DC10-15s or 772s have gone around the world before. Actually, if the 772 or A330 did a promotional world tour before EIS, it surely went around the world, but it likely took days or weeks...  



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27878 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
Yeah... Once they get those dilithium crystals straightened out, they should be good for 26,000 nm

Och ye know ye cannae alter the laws of physics though Captain!

Joking aside this is really impressive, I can't wait until NZ gets theirs.


User currently offlineKDTWflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27840 times:

Pretty awesome feat for this new aircraft. Check out this flight path

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20111206/1900Z/KBFI/VGHS

I wonder what the internal configuration was of this particular aircraft; for example did it have a full array of cabin seats?



NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27787 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways. But as well the B772LR as any A340 that had flown with it could have refuled it to get a bit further - not to speak of B748 or A380...

???

They did it. What's the problem with telling us?

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27594 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
They did it. What's the problem with telling us?

Because it's a Boeing, not an Airbus? That's the only reason I can think why people would be angry about hearing this news/puff.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27517 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
Because it's a Boeing, not an Airbus?

Well, I didn't want to say it, but....  

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27390 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):
A332/3, 764, 772, DC10-15, L1011-200/500, 788

The A330 and the 777 are not in the same category, at least not as defined by Boeing: mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating). The competition in the category is made up of the L1011-500, the 757-300, the 767-300 and the 767-400, all designs that are at least 20 years old.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
What's the problem with telling us?

There's nothing wrong with "telling us" they did it, but it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record! Anyone can claim a World Record in similar fashion as long as they keep the playing field narrow enough to exclude any serious competition. Heck, I have the land speed world record as measured by the time it takes me to go from my office door to my office chair!

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
Because it's a Boeing, not an Airbus?

If that's what you want to believe, that's your choice. In my book, calling it a World Record actually cheapens what is quite a technological achievement. It doesn't need artificial, PR-driven enhancement and should be allowed to stand on its own. If this were a person, not a plane, we'd say he is begging for attention.



I've got $h*t to do
User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27225 times:

Where did it say what the speed was?

User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27173 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record

Boeing doesn't define the classes - the FAI does.


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27145 times:

As other people have mentioned it is great to hear of some good news about the 787! I can't wait until the 787 becomes a regular sight for us all in the future.


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User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27121 times:

It may be fast, but it's no Sonic Cruiser.

User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6453 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27102 times:

This PR stunk comes as sure as Amen in the church with every new long range variant.

Those of us, who remember more than two weeks back in time, recall the 744 London - Sydney flight back in an earlier millennium. There was a good reason why it wasn't Sydney - London.

Still Boeing with the 788 did it around the world considerably faster than Steve Fossett did it in his balloon nine years ago.

The major thing for such a flight is to be ready exactly when the weather man says "go" because he is satisfied with the forecast tailwind conditions.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27047 times:

The 77L distance record, however, was seriously impressive.

User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 27045 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.

For all those airlines that want to fly 13 passengers 10,000 miles they will be fantastic!


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 26994 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
What's the problem with telling us?

There's nothing wrong with "telling us" they did it, but it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record! Anyone can claim a World Record in similar fashion as long as they keep the playing field narrow enough to exclude any serious competition. Heck, I have the land speed world record as measured by the time it takes me to go from my office door to my office chair!

That you find their claim "disingenuous" is odd given that it's an incredible feet. To me, comparing what they did with the 787 flight to what you do going to work each day is "disingenuous at best". But I respect your point of view.

BTW:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record!

I'm not sure of the facts, but according to ADent:

Quoting ADent (Reply 14):
Boeing doesn't define the classes - the FAI does.
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 17):
This PR stunk comes as sure as Amen in the church with every new long range variant.

Those of us, who remember more than two weeks back in time, recall the 744 London - Sydney flight back in an earlier millennium. There was a good reason why it wasn't Sydney - London.

Still Boeing with the 788 did it around the world considerably faster than Steve Fossett did it in his balloon nine years ago.

The major thing for such a flight is to be ready exactly when the weather man says "go" because he is satisfied with the forecast tailwind conditions.

So what? I don't get why everyone needs to rain on the parade each time a manufacturer achieves something? I think THAT'S what stinks around here.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25717 times:

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 19):
For all those airlines that want to fly 13 passengers 10,000 miles they will be fantastic!

  

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 17):
This PR stunk comes as sure as Amen in the church with every new long range variant.

I have a feeling that PR "stunts" like these mean absolutely nothing to their prospective customers. After all, the customers won't be thinking "gee, the over-wight 787 flew 10,000 miles. Let's buy it!." I'd imagine they'd say that.. and then figure out the conditions that had to be met for the over-weight 787 to fly that far. Namely 13 passengers, etc.

It seems like the intended audience of such news feeds are the people of a.net. In short, people who typically mean little to the actual inner workings of the airline industry.

If you think an airline that's ready to invest hundreds of millions of dollars would be tricked by these sorts of PR "stunts" I don't know what planet you're from.



Fly Delta Jets
User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25290 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Wow, those early, overweight 787s sure are lemons with terrible range.

... and slow too.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record - the A330 is no long range plane anyways

Was it marketing BS when Airbus set the previous record? Perhaps, but aviation has an element of sport to it and these records are just "plane" fun.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25069 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
What a marketing BS - define a class where you are practically alone and then define a world record
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
it is disingenuous at best to carefully design a "category" where there is no meaningful competition and then claim a World Record!

Let's not let truth get in our way here. ADent is absolutely right:

Quoting ADent (Reply 14):
Boeing doesn't define the classes - the FAI does.

FAI defined the weight classes a long time ago. Land planes (class C-1) run from C-1a (300-500 kg) all the way up to C-1v (greater than 500,000 kg). I suggest people browse around a little before jumping to incorrect conclusions:
http://www.fai.org/record-powered-aeroplanes

The oldest distance record in their system is from 1959. I'm reasonably confident that Boeing had not decided on the 787 MTOW at that time.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 5):
the A330 is no long range plane anyways

The A330's prior record was 9100 miles...that's still a long range plane.

Besides, Henri Courpron, chief executive officer of International Lease Finance Corp: “The A330-200 has phenomenal range that allows airlines to open new routes and go places not reachable before with twin-engine planes of that size.”

Sound like a familiar mission description?

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):
I do find it funny that Boeing says they set a new record for fastest around the world in the category, and then said nobody else ever tried (or recorded it correctly). You'd have to believe that DC10-15s or 772s have gone around the world before.

In order to meet the FAI criteria, you have to have a fairly specific routing. You're unlikely to get the circumnavigation record unless you're doing it on purpose.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
If this were a person, not a plane, we'd say he is begging for attention.


So we're just going to claim that Julio César Chávez Jr isn't a world championship boxer because he "designed" the middleweight catagory for himself instead of taking on Mike Tyson?

Tom.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 24727 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 12):
The A330 and the 777 are not in the same category, at least not as defined by Boeing: mid-size capacity (210-250 passengers in a three-class seating). The competition in the category is made up of the L1011-500, the 757-300, the 767-300 and the 767-400, all designs that are at least 20 years old.

Somebody didn't read the PR... tsk, tsk.

The class is 440-550k MTOW. It is not directly related to pax count.

That bracket encompasses the aircraft I quoted (at least form the specs I found). Note it's the original 772 like what UA, NH, JL and a few others own, not the IGW.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 prebennorholm : Such world records are defined by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI) in Lousanne, Switzerland. This record was set in FAI category C-1r
26 cmf : It is probably the engineer in me but I do not think it is an incredible feet. Run a plane with large tanks an light load and you will get a lot of d
27 bringiton : This PR activity is good i guess for customers in the sense that it gives their customers a feel of what is comming ... I bet biman would have gained
28 simpilot459 : It may not directly impact an airline's purchase decision, but it gets the airline's customers attention. It helps their customers get more business
29 SEA : Before the flight returned to BFI, Boeing seemed to view the flight as an endurance test, not a world record attempt. I only heard it referred to such
30 Post contains links akelley728 : Are you saying it's BS because the record was set by Boeing? I remember the Airbus fanclub cheering quite loudly when the A330-200 set the last recor
31 tdscanuck : They were flying with an FAI rep onboard...you only do that if you're trying to set a record. Tom.
32 Centre : What's the purpose of this flight again? The flight was East bound all the way. They must have picked some really nice tailwind. How far would they go
33 tdscanuck : Set two world records. That's part of the record...how you do it is up to the person making the record attempt. We don't ding the sailing guys for br
34 Post contains images ebbuk : Well I thought the 787 was already the record holder in its class; the lack of speed getting to its customers and the distance it's driven it's custom
35 akelley728 : Again Airbus had the record for 8 years. Well done Airbus back then, well done Boeing now.
36 astuteman : Congratulations to Boeing and the 787 for achieving this. No. It wasn't. It was a bog standard ferry flight from Toulouse to Sydney, for a QF A332. I
37 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Just amazing. Why do people have to take a simple PR event and spin it into a negative? -Dave
38 garpd : An impressive feat for the 787. Some predictable comments here though.
39 Post contains images Autothrust : It better should, the A330 is over 14 years older.
40 faro : Congratulations to Boeing, a wonderful acheivement!! Faro
41 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I am waiting to see this in real life as I will be on the first commercial long haul on the ANA 787-8 from Haneda to Frankfurt January 21. Let's see i
42 Max Q : No, they are outstanding with no payload..
43 par13del : So is the below statement fiction and not fact? Same question, did this actually happen or was it fiction? So ultimately what are we saying, this rec
44 Post contains images kl911 : What a joke
45 kdhurst380 : Makes me laugh, people here jumping to their defence. It'd be impressive if they had a reasonable load, but this really, really isn't anything amazing
46 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G´day Nice PR stunt, for whatever it was worth. Reminds me though, has Boeing ever published any range performance charts of 787-8´s presently being
47 Post contains images risingsunfitnes : Gee wizz guys... if i'm not mistaken, we are all members on this site because we love aviation, whether civil, military, or other... and it constantly
48 bobnwa : Other than to the members of this forum, does the PR statements made by the Boeing and Airbus really mean anything ? Surely no airline would pay any a
49 garpd : No one insists the worlds fastest car should carry a "reasonable load". Yet it's achievements are congratulated and accepted. Similar can be said for
50 LTC8K6 : So, whenever anyone is the first to post something like that, it's a joke? I guess no one should ever try anything new then... What a petty board thi
51 kalvado : I would ask a simple question: what was the real goal of this flight? If it was done only for setting the record - I would say it is meaningless. Coul
52 Post contains images Revelation : Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, Burkhard? Feet? I guess you really are an engineer! Me too, by the way. I wouldn't go as far as cal
53 tdscanuck : "Well done Dick Rutan flying t w o people an awfully long way for no reason at all. It is a great record to hold." Hmm...doesn't really make any sens
54 Post contains images chuchoteur : Oh, was there any info on trip cost in relation to this flight in the Boeing press release? Now that's good PR, getting you to associate marketing me
55 notaxonrotax : Cool record! Impressive……….although it doesn´t call for sarcasm like: This doesn´t prove nothing for airlines………..it is just a record; n
56 peterjohns : Cool it off , guys. Airbus AND Boeing build great aircraft, I always like to fly in them. You should really get worried when in future the chinese wi
57 Post contains images pygmalion : Pilot? Oh you mean the dedicated computer "Paul the Pilot"
58 frmrcapcadet : Lindbergh's flight across the Atlantic could similarly be dismissed as of no practical purpose, as could most FAI records. But I would disagree. And I
59 SCCutler : All demonstrations of skill, quality or capability are wastes. What possible purpose do they serve? (geez!) I say, if you really want to be impressive
60 Babybus : You definitely took the shine off that record. I hate spin. Surely the more worthwhile record is one where the plane is actually in service carrying
61 topgun3 : After reading this post I decided to check out the route on flightaware. It happens that it flew close enough to me to catch it on my RadarBox flying
62 notaxonrotax : Ooh, I agree, I love them too…….just come from a long flight which included Embraer, A & B--> loved them all. It´s just funny that people
63 Tistpaa727 : Haters will be haters. Say what you want - marketing BS, a joke, etc. but it's still pretty cool that a plane can fly that far whether it is an Airbus
64 HighlandExpress : Well done Boeing but it's kinda ironic that a plane that took so long is setting speed records....LOL! Can't wait to see these birds in BA's colour...
65 Tancrede : Same thinking here
66 gabep : Often jealous people, suffering from overwhelming feelings of inadequacy, react to others' superior feats with fear followed by anger. Besides, these
67 Highflier92660 : Eliminating Charles Lindbergh, most of these speed records are mere publicity stunts. But some are, for better or worse, more memorable. A Boeing 787
68 AirPacific747 : Please delete.. I misread something[Edited 2011-12-09 12:49:06]
69 Maverick623 : Hmm... I wonder: In fairness, I've also seen some US members poo-pooing this achievement, as well as European members expressing support or congratul
70 Post contains images ferpe : Congratulations to Boeing and the Dreamliner team. Must be nice to get some positive spin and bragging rights to complement the frames entry into serv
71 ukoverlander : Sheesh here we go again........ Oh dear.........now we have A-net psychologists as well.........they should make pills for this.
72 Post contains images ukoverlander : On the contrary with no revenue generating passengers I'd hazard a guess that this was the most expensive flight ever undertaken by an aircraft "in i
73 Post contains images bikerthai : Reading the posts on this topic makes me feel like watching the 24hrs La-mans or a NASCAR race. . . mind numbming to say the least, watching these car
74 Babybus : I think this tread is putting spin on what appears to be a pretty mediocre product,. Exactly. that's where the records should start. Are you including
75 SEA : This thread is pretty ridiculous. Boeing or Airbus can fly an airplane as far as they want. It's their own airplane. If they want to make it a PR stun
76 ikramerica : That's the point. Why don't people actually get the point? They are so blinded by hatred, they can't see the forest for the trees. It is a demonstrat
77 BoeEngr : There are a lot of posts on here that do not seem to me to belong on an AVIATION ENTHUSIASTS web site. Aren't we here to celebrate aviation? Whether y
78 AirlineCritic : Cool it guys, the comments on this thread are ridiculous (on both sides). I think it is a great achievement. Would have loved to be on that flight. Al
79 notaxonrotax : Well, I guess we could say the same about certain users on certain threads about Airbus. Right? Some people aren't quite enjoyning the fact that ther
80 ER757 : Exhibits A, B, C and D of why many respected and respectable members don't come here anymore. If you can't be an aviation enthusiast, why are you her
81 KPDX : Boom. People like that are the ones ruining this website.
82 tdscanuck : That would exclude nearly all the current distance and speed records set by any mode of transportation. That's how you set records...that's no more a
83 CXB77L : Congratulations to Boeing on a wonderful achievement! Just goes to show that there is as much, if not more anti-Boeing rhetoric on a.net than there is
84 neutronstar73 : Exactly. Perhaps my post will not make it past the censors, but this following point is especially true And I'm sure I'll be censored for quoting it,
85 notaxonrotax : You must be having a laugh……. Boeing got a lot of FLACK for the B787 delays, but have you read the criticism on the A380?? Which is still on-goin
86 Post contains images EPA001 : So true, so true. We probably all have a bit more sympathy for the one OEM then the other, but why do people have react so negative on this record? I
87 Post contains images EPA001 : That indeed is a laughable remark, since the ones being out here on A-net (a lot) longer know exactly how much the A380 was bashed and to quite a cer
88 Post contains links and images ASA : Surprisingly, almost nothing in the local media in Bangladesh about this. The local news media probably didn't even know that this wonderful bird was
89 Post contains images ebbuk : I thought my post was rather witty, dare I say so myself. You know this one, It's just a bit of banter going on. No need to get knickers in a twist an
90 Post contains images seabosdca : I'm a Boeing fan. How could I not be? I grew up in Seattle during the Boeing renaissance spurred by the 757, 767, 737 Classic, and 747-400. But I'd b
91 fpetrutiu : Not sure what you are smoking here, Boeing did NOT define the class, nor did it define the world record. The A330 is a long-range plane, unless you d
92 Revelation : I doubt they cost much if anything in MEW. The fact is the A330 and B787 wings are also fuel tanks, and are also larger than their predecessors. The
93 Post contains images rcair1 : No - but they are a celebration for the people who worked hard to design and build the . They deserve a bit of celebration. I think you are mistaken.
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787 Vs 767 And 757 posted Sat Nov 4 2006 23:20:19 by EBJ1248650