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FR Increase Fees For Checked Bags And BPs (again)  
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

While no announcement was found on FR's own website yet, different sources state that FR is increasing its fees for checked bags and for printing Boarding Passes at the airport.
Fees for checked bags also will vary by season.
Checking in a 15kg bag at the airport during peak summer season will set you back by as much as 100 € resp. 100 GBP.
-HT

Selective quoting below, having omitted the usual bla-bla by FR.
Source: http://www.abtn.co.uk/news/0916692-ryanair-increases-its-fees

No-frills carrier Ryanair is increasing its baggage fees by £5 online and £60 at the airport during peak travel periods, as well as upping its boarding card reissue penalty by £20.

The increased baggage fee of £25 will be charged during June, July, August, September and Christmas 2012, and will apply to all bookings made from December 15.

For bags flown in the “low season”, between October and May, the current fee of £15 will continue to apply to online bookings.

However, fees for passengers who want to check in a bag at the airport will increase by £25 during off-peak travel periods, from £35 to £60 per bag.
And for a bag checked in at the airport in peak season, the fee will increase by £60, from £40 to £100.

These fees are being increased further for heavier bags, and second bags – see panel below for details.

The airline is also increasing its fee for passengers who arrive at the airport without boarding passes. Currently each passenger has to pay £40 to get it printed, but from January 15 this will increase to £60.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7233 times:

Customers have the ultimate power: if they're unhappy with the price, they don't have to buy. Also, people shouldn't look at the fees in isolation: what matters is the total, to-pay amount. If that amount is excellent per se and vis-a-vis competitors, and assuming all other considerations are sufficiently good, they shouldn't careless whether a large amount of it comprises fees, be it checked baggage or otherwise.

Personally, I am a fan of charging different prices for checked luggage whether by season, sector distance, or whatever, and thereby leveraging differing price elasticities.

Anyway, I have never taken, and do not plan to take, checked baggage with FR.  Wink

[Edited 2011-12-09 10:58:56]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

Nobody wants their boardingpass at the airport and the luggage can be done online as well. So the fees are still ok. But i like the fact that FR forces pax to travel with handluggage only, makes the turnaround much more smooth and faster.

On my last flight to ACE , Lanzarote i stayed for a week with 1 piece of handlugage, and trust me, you dont need more on a warm island. But our neighbours, who were staying for a week as well, brought two massive suitcases.

Dont forget Ryanair can only offer us cheap tickets when they can basically eliminate as most staff at airports as possible, like checkin and bagage handlers.

We used our reception at the hotel for printing the BP, but I saw at many airports internet and printing facilities that people can use. So the ' I dont have internet access' is no excuse.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 2):
On my last flight to ACE , Lanzarote i stayed for a week with 1 piece of handlugage, and trust me, you dont need more on a warm island. But our neighbours, who were staying for a week as well, brought two massive suitcases.

Couldn't agree more. Who needs luggage anyway? I've done an insane amount of traveling in the past years and I have never, ever, needed to check in luggage. I sometimes didn't even have hand luggage with me, in most cases if you have your jacket on, your wallet and your phone, you're fine. In our society, people load themselves with an incredible amount of useless stuff that weighs them down. Look into the average suburban American garage or basement.
Northern African, Arab and Indian culture is even worse, many people from these areas will check in 5 or more pieces of luggage if they can. I've traveled in buses in Africa or Arabian countries, it is incredible what people pack and drag with them.

Here's my suggestion to avoid baggage fees: Pack a huge suitcase, then leave it home when you go to the airport. There is nothing in it you really need.

Soren   



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
Here's my suggestion to avoid baggage fees: Pack a huge suitcase, then leave it home when you go to the airport. There is nothing in it you really need.

... except the time where I was on my way to Svalbard/Spitsbergen and, while on layover in Oslo, realized that my wind breaker was still in my car - which was parked in Germany.
-HT



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
Couldn't agree more. Who needs luggage anyway? I've done an insane amount of traveling in the past years and I have never, ever, needed to check in luggage. I sometimes didn't even have hand luggage with me, in most cases if you have your jacket on, your wallet and your phone, you're fine. In our society, people load themselves with an incredible amount of useless stuff that weighs them down. Look into the average suburban American garage or basement.

Glad that works for you. You obviously don't have a wife, children, medical needs, aren't old, aren't very big (my clothes take of 2-3 times the space as my wife's), etc.

But if you don't even bring a change of clothes on a vacation, you are going to smell awful by the end, and I certainly think they should charge a stink surcharge.

I know you can travel the world with only a backpack. Those types seem to hike through our town a lot because it's a tourist/historic location. They look dirty, they smell disgusting, and I just don't want to live like that, especially on a vacation.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
Northern African, Arab and Indian culture is even worse, many people from these areas will check in 5 or more pieces of luggage if they can. I've traveled in buses in Africa or Arabian countries, it is incredible what people pack and drag with them.

This is apparently a politically incorrect thing to say now, as I've learned the other day. I was attending a conference in Brussels and a German professor mentioned that air travel in Europe is still relatively smooth, but that whenever he ends up behind an African family with loads of suitcases he asks himself ''why me?''. That stirred quite the outrage among the American crowd. Saying ''Senegal is not as advanced as Europe'' or referring to a jewish man as ''a Jew'' is apparently inacceptable now too. Very much off topic, but I thought I'd put that out there. Stupid liberals..

On topic, I find Ryanair ridiculous for the most part. I always consider them among all the other LCCs but for some reason never really find the cheapest offer with them. They're great for the ''oh a super cheap promotion, let's take it'' crowd, but so are regular last minute offers. If you have a set date though, and you're booking on short notice, there's usually not much money to be saved on the LCCs. Personal experiences may vary, but mine has been quite invariable so far.

From a marketing standpoint I think Ryanair is moving on thin ice though. If Ryanair asks high prices for checked baggage, people will look for alternatives or not fly at all. I honestly doubt most people will make the rational decision to just pack less. If Easy keeps their fees at current levels and undercuts Ryanair, this would be their chance effectively kill Ryanair on all competing routes.



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 5):
I know you can travel the world with only a backpack. Those types seem to hike through our town a lot because it's a tourist/historic location. They look dirty, they smell disgusting, and I just don't want to live like that, especially on a vacation.

  

When I travel/go on vacation I want to...

a) feel comfortable
b) look at least reasonably presentable
c) not stink to high heaven

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Customers have the ultimate power: if they're unhappy with the price, they don't have to buy.

That's why I only fly full service carriers where possible. This isn't FR (or any other LCC) bashing, it works for some and good luck to them. It's not for me though.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Quoting something (Reply 6):
From a marketing standpoint I think Ryanair is moving on thin ice though. If Ryanair asks high prices for checked baggage, people will look for alternatives or not fly at all.

Well, the title is misleading. If you buy your checkedin luggage online its way cheaper. Its all the stuff at the airport that is getting very expensive. So print a boardingcard at home or the office, hotel etc. and online pay for your luggage IF you really need that. I find 10kg handluggage more then enough.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 3):
Here's my suggestion to avoid baggage fees: Pack a huge suitcase, then leave it home when you go to the airport. There is nothing in it you really need.



Unless you would like to go out for dinner or stay the night or maybe travelling with a companion who has a sense of smell. This is not something I would ever do, but if you are going on business for the day, then, yeah you really don't need to pack a bag. The only reason I say this is that more often then not I end up not getting out of meetings until later in the evening and prefer to spend the night instead of flying home.



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 5):
But if you don't even bring a change of clothes on a vacation, you are going to smell awful by the end, and I certainly think they should charge a stink surcharge.
I know you can travel the world with only a backpack. Those types seem to hike through our town a lot because it's a tourist/historic location. They look dirty, they smell disgusting, and I just don't want to live like that, especially on a vacation.

Yeah that's because some people don't take showers and wear the same clothes several days in a row. I always carry 3 days worth of clothes (you can carry that in a small backpack) and I take a shower once or twice a day. After 3 days I do my laundry somewhere (my trips usually last a week so it's really not a problem to do this once). If I go to the US I don't bring any clothes at all because I tend to go to Old Navy on my first or second day to do some shopping.

Soren   



All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 8):
I find 10kg handluggage more then enough.

And you also do find the space to put your 10 kg of carry-on into FR's cabin on a full flight where everybody is taking advantage of his/her allowed 10 kg ?
I have not come across a B738 yet whose overhead bins were big enough to hold 189 carry-on suitcases.
-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

I must admit I'm not a FR fan, they take the CC to the absolute limit. I do accept however that for at least some of us to enjoy relatively cheap fares there are some extras that we do need to pay for. As a consequence, if I was off to ACE for a week I most definitely wouldn't be tight for the sake of it and take a bag with me. A few days away with hand baggage is great but I like to look good. Maybe that's just me being vein.

Call me biased but Easy are moving towards becoming the 'ideal' LCC. I.e major airports, relatively good inflight service, growing relationship with travel trade, possible allocated seating, transparent pricing and extras that don't take the piss. Checking is free, printing of boarding card is free and the only real essential extra is a bag and card charges. I don't particularly agree with high card charges but nothing will happen unless regulations are forced on the industry and in turn makes the playing field level.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2651 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6546 times:
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Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 12):
I don't particularly agree with high card charges but nothing will happen unless regulations are forced on the industry and in turn makes the playing field level.

Well here is an interesting article and it actually does mention Ryanair and their own charges on credit card purchases.

I think this would be the most interesting part for you:

''For example, the loophole allows Ryanair, a low-cost carrier airline based in Ireland where surcharges are permitted, to levy surcharges on customers in Italy, where such fees are banned. ''

More recently, the EU commissioner for Transport announced that they are going to work on banning all together the credit card fees for online purchases.
I know that Cyprus recently banned which saw Cyprus Airways remove their own charge (€12).

http://www.europeanvoice.com/article...n-on-hidden-online-fees/71367.aspx


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7165 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

What creates an issue is the lack of transparency with these fare increases. People are screwed at the airport, and they tell everyone about it, and it creates distrust with the service provider. There is a breaking point, £60 $100 for a boarding pass is past that - basically holding someone to randsom in the airport.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):

When a direct comparison is possible... But people don't intend to not print boarding passes, and it really pissses people off to pay that much to check in.

Is it more expensive to for FR carry a bag at Christmas? Or is it that FR are really extracting that last penny from customers over the holidays because they can?



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

Quoting something (Reply 6):
If you have a set date though, and you're booking on short notice, there's usually not much money to be saved on the LCCs.

There usually isn't much difference at all between LCC's and deals with flag-carriers. But there sure is a difference on how they treat their customers. I really don't mind paying the equivalent of extra 20-30 USD and then be assured that I will be taken well care of in case something happens ie delays, cancellations etc. Many of the LCC's won't accomodate you on the next flight, but on THEIR next available flight (Ryanair probably wouldn't).

I usually travel with Star Alliance members and if anything goes wrong, I just get rebooked or rerouted with one of the other star members. I like that assurance.



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User currently offlineTJCAB From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 15):
I usually travel with Star Alliance members and if anything goes wrong, I just get rebooked or rerouted with one of the other star members. I like that assurance.

agreed 100%, and same here


User currently onlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2114 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

It sounds like someone could make money with a laptop and portable printer hanging out near the FR ticket counters. Charge a significantly lower amount and print off boarding passes for the passengers that didn't do it at home.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 12):
I must admit I'm not a FR fan, they take the CC to the absolute limit.
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 12):
Easy are moving towards becoming the 'ideal' LCC. I.e major airports, relatively good inflight service, growing relationship with travel trade, possible allocated seating, transparent pricing and extras that don't take the piss.

Regardless, FR's approach pays off financially: FR's net profit and profit margin has been considerably superior to easyJet's.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 14):
Or is it that FR are really extracting that last penny from customers over the holidays because they can?

Why not? I like the idea of baggage charges fluctuating, e.g. by season, day of week, period (e.g. Christmas, Easter), duration, etc. While costs wouldn't increase, it should hopefully enable increased total revenue through probably lower price elasticity for luggage in those situations.  Silly

[Edited 2011-12-10 01:43:10]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6816 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

All people who complain about FR should stop doing so and instead ignore that carrier entirely. I have only made two trips on that airline many years ago (totally voluntarily) and I have no plans to fly on that carrier again for many reasons. I will only do so if there is absolutely no alternative.


PH



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7165 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 18):
Why not?

Because, when things are pushed too far, the backlash will be significant. FR are right on the tipping point, and cant squeeze much more in charges from people.

i agree that these are optional, but $100 for a boarding pass. come off it.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 17):
someone could make money with a laptop and portable printer hanging out near the FR ticket counters.

Passengers can check-in online from 15 days up to 4 hours before each scheduled flight departure time.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/questions/how-do-i-check-in-online


Interestingly - if you click

http://www.ryanair.com/en/questions/...conditions#regulations-tableoffees

you get...

Page Not Found



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 7):
That's why I only fly full service carriers where possible. This isn't FR (or any other LCC) bashing, it works for some and good luck to them. It's not for me though.

This is exactly my position - I tend to dress smart, and if I'm away for a week this kind of necessitates a suitcase of some description. But that's my choice, and so I tend to fly with BA where poss.

FR fulfils an incredibly important function in the market, and gives a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise be able to afford to travel the ability to do so. If you're organised and travel light, they're a great deal. Just don't expect 5-star service when you're paying a 1 star price.

FR have also forced something into the market that was drastically lacking - realistic competition. I sometimes don't like their tactics but if they even bring prices down £1 on other carriers it's worth having them there.

If you're older, larger, traveling with kids, masses of bags, you do (I'm afraid) have to appreciate that traveling isn't going to be the bargain basement it is for people with fewer needs. Often, FR is still going to be cheaper than if you chose a full-service carrier.


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 19):
All people who complain about FR should stop doing so and instead ignore that carrier entirely. I have only made two trips on that airline many years ago (totally voluntarily) and I have no plans to fly on that carrier again for many reasons. I will only do so if there is absolutely no alternative.


PH

 
 

Same with me: EIN-STN-EIN once and NEVER again - I'd rather pay a little more and fly on AMS-STN-AMS (U2), or on KL/BA which sometimes have some great last-minute deals, which make the flights even cheaper than FR !!!



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User currently offlineHighlandExpress From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

I use Ryanair between Germany & Scotland, I use them because I book in advance, they are cheap and always on time in my experience, although that bloody jingle gets on my nerves every landing! I have a wife, 2 young children but we carry baby stuff and initial essentials in our rucksaks! Admittedly we have clothes, etc at our journey destination so no hold bags for us. At the end of the day if you don't want budget, don't fly budget....a lot of people like to whinge about Ryanair, most of them have never flown them.

And for the record I have flown BA, Lufthansa & KLM, I don't believe the way extra money is worth it for the small snack and tea/coffee etc! Also Hahn is easier to get to than Main, less congested and the parking is mega value...

Just my tuppence.....



I am from Scotland, but I live in Germany.....
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7165 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

Quoting HighlandExpress (Reply 23):
I don't believe the way extra money is worth it for the small snack and tea/coffee etc

If it was all about a small snack, i would agree.

Quoting HighlandExpress (Reply 23):
Hahn is easier to get to than Main.

The vast majority of passengers would disagree.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 22):
I'd rather pay a little more

Which is the difference between Value and Price. I will spend €20 more to fly EI over FR on a short sector. I always check in online, but am worried about a £60 fee if i cannot.

EI More expensive yes...
FR better value... no....

[Edited 2011-12-10 03:05:02]


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25 Post contains images BrouAviation : There is the problem, 100EUR is a ridiculous amount of money and it might very well close the gap. May be it's my fault, but for me Ryanair just isn'
26 blueflyer : These fees are so high, so disproportionally high compared to Ryanair's costs that it isn't an airline anymore, it is an extortionist masquerading as
27 mighluss : I had a funny case last week. We had to pay 40 EUR to check our baggage just before coming into the plane, because we had a small bag that couldn't be
28 Post contains images Pe@rson : If that's the case, FR will quickly alter its decision - and rightly so. Think its entertainment systems. Context is essential. In 2010, FR's average
29 Babybus : Surely paying the baggage fees is cheaper than having to spend that money at the destination on clean underwear and socks, shirts, shaving kit and sh
30 bestwestern : Unlike the decision to buy or not buy an IFE unit, a boarding fee charge isnt avoidable if you turn up without a boarding pass, and bad word of mouth
31 lhr380 : Says who? I don't have a printer at home, if the only way to get a boarding pass is from a printer, do I have to make a journey to someone that does?
32 bestwestern : Imagine a family of four turning up at Stansted and finding out it was £240 when they got there. With minimum wage of £5.93 thats a 40 hour working
33 lhr380 : Yup Things happen, stuff goes missing on route. At least twice a week I see someone who has lost a boarding pass. After a quick passport check I repr
34 Post contains images Birdwatching : From my experience, Ryanair will reprint your BP for free if you show them your home-printed BP. As I like having real boarding passes for my collecti
35 signol : What chance of FR introducing paperless mobile boarding passes, like I used on Germanwings last week? No need then for a printer... signol
36 nema : I agree to the point where it allows the rest of us to hopefully use an airline with fewer ignorant fellow passengers, this being in the hope they're
37 L410Turbolet : As does U2, W6 and a number of other low-costs all over Europe. Somehow they all manage to fulfill their role without all the BS Ryanair comes up wit
38 lhr380 : And then they also have to block out seats for weight and balance as the holds are empty...
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