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Bill To Strip TSA Of Badges?  
User currently offlinecomair25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10794 times:

Was watching HLN on AFN and their was a short about a Bill that was proposed that would strip the TSA of their badges and the title "officer".

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/09/politics/tsa-badges/index.html

I don't see it going anywhere, but what affect would this have "if" it passed.

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User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

They would probably be given nametags and their title would be changed from Officer to Specialist.

Their procedures would probably stay the same.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 1):
They would probably be given nametags and their title would be changed from Officer to Specialist.
TSA Inspectors are officially titled as Transportation Security Specialists on their SF-50s. As the two occupations are two different series numbers in the federal government, Officers would have to go back to being called Screeners or some other designation, but not Specialist. But your overall point is correct.

The bill in question is H.R. 3608.
http://blackburn.house.gov/UploadedFiles/STRIP_Act_Bill_Text.pdf

[Edited 2011-12-10 05:52:59]

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

The use of badges and uniforms that appear to be like that of police/LEO's is part of the intentional intimidation appearance our politicans and many citizens want to discourage terrorists. Most people tend to behave more obediently to those that look like LEO's vs. glorified security guards and that is seen as a psylogical edge to be able to do their job.

I do think they need to have much better training in the law as to searches, civil rights, understanding medical conditions and equipment and how to balance how to enforce securty without violating human rights yet keep off all the terrorists.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10544 times:
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Quoting comair25 (Thread starter):
Was watching HLN on AFN and their was a short about a Bill that was proposed that would strip the TSA of their badges and the title "officer".

No problem here since they have no power of a traditional officer. They enforce no law enforcement code.


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10514 times:

I say let them keep their badges and just strip them naked instead. They might learn a little something then. We can then rename them from TSA to T&A.

If I gotta be groped or appear naked via a scanner, I say what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

[Edited 2011-12-10 06:26:20]

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

The US government has done close to nothing productive in the last decade, so I always shrug when I see stuff like this.

Sure, it'd be great to put the TSA idiots in their place, but really.... what would it accomplish but more waste and bureaucratic wrangling over the insignificant issues..

Now a bill to get rid of the nude scanners and the entire TSA in general? THAT would be change we could believe in (I made a funny).

I'm sure as usual, nothing will happen.



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10117 times:

Normally, if you carry some sort of law enforcement badge, you would have the power to arrest people. You would also be permitted to carry a firearm.

I was on a cruise this past summer, and one of the people at the dinner table was an investigator for the EPA. Not only does she have a badge, but she carries a Glock 19, when working in the field.

So, it makes no sense for TSA screeners to have badges, when they don't have they can't be compared to officers from the FBI, DEA, ATF, Secret Service, and other federal agencies.

But, are TSA screeners issued metal badges? Or are the fabric badges sewn onto shirts all that screeners get? After all, a real badge has a number, and it often indicates the officers position (officer, deputy, sargeant, etc.).


User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

How about this for a wild idea.. Staff the TSA with actual trained military or law enforcement agents?... Implement rigorous training and education on the laws and how to deal with certain sketchy issues.. One of most pressing issues I hear about all the time is that former military people are having trouble finding work after being discharged.. There ya go..

The TSA is such a clown show. They even work off of a military pay grade type scale (E1-9). They carry badges, they have a blue "blood stripe" down their leg.. Gimme a friggin break... This stuff does more to boost their own ego than it does to deter anyone..


User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2694 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9947 times:

I fully support this idea.

They should have never been permitted to wear any kind of badge whatsoever.

The organization is an ineffective disgrace.


User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9859 times:

Quoting swa4life (Reply 8):
They even work off of a military pay grade type scale (E1-9)

TSA is on the SV pay plan code, which covers only TSA and no other agency. TSA uses pay banding instead of the GS scale. However I suppose you are right in that as people move up within TSA they get a higher band, similar to the military (as I understand it).


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

I think it's a good idea. TSA personnel have an inflated sense of their jobs these days and stripping them of their badges couldn't hurt in rectifying that. It might not necessarily help, but it couldn't hurt. They don't need a badge to do their job; they only need a badge if they want to intimidate people. Even the police agree with this.

The TSA's job is to screen, not to provide law enforcement.



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9728 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 7):
But, are TSA screeners issued metal badges? Or are the fabric badges sewn onto shirts all that screeners get? After all, a real badge has a number, and it often indicates the officers position (officer, deputy, sargeant, etc.).

They get metal badges, I believe they are numbered but I can't say I've looked close enough to notice. The employee's position is represented by the number of stripes on their epaulet, their name tag also states what their rank is.



I remember the old uniforms had the fabric badges, I still see them on the polo shirts the people in the bag room wear.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12445 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 6):
more waste and bureaucratic wrangling over the insignificant issues..

        

Congress sets up its own rules for logjams like the Super Committee so they don't have to make any tough choices then they come out and tackle the "serious" issues like whether the TSA staff should wear badges or not. Who cares, when the country spends $1.40 for every $1 we take in? The only real difference between us and the PIIGS is that we can still find someone to buy our crap bonds, for now at least.



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User currently offlineDash8Driver16 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

I had a similar Idea for TSA the other day. Since military veterans are having hard times finding jobs why not make TSA an organization that will hire military veterans? provides jobs to people who have past security experience as well as a sense of respect for individuals. Most TSA agents i come across at these podunk out stations are...just plain rude/have a overinflated sense of self worth in their current position. Maybe it is that they get to carry a badge but they don't really provide me a sense of security since what would they do if someone walked in with a gun and shot them all and then proceeded airside?(was brought up by one of our FFDO's) They don't really provide security they should be know as the Transportation Screening Administration. I think stripping them of their badges and title of officer is a great idea.

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8929 times:

The TSA should be able to keep Badgers if they want to, everyone needs a pet.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5407 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8600 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 5):
If I gotta be groped or appear naked via a scanner, I say what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Have you seen the new scanners? No more naked pictures. Just a blob that appears on a generic outline of a body if the scanner sees an object.

I was a vociferous objector to the original scanners and I'm just fine with the updated ones.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5407 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 14):
Since military veterans are having hard times finding jobs why not make TSA an organization that will hire military veterans?

Military veterans get preferential treatment in the hiring process for virtually all federal jobs today, including TSA agent positions.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

Quoting swa4life (Reply 8):
How about this for a wild idea.. Staff the TSA with actual trained military or law enforcement agents?... Implement rigorous training and education on the laws and how to deal with certain sketchy issues.. One of most pressing issues I hear about all the time is that former military people are having trouble finding work after being discharged.. There ya go..

The TSA is such a clown show. They even work off of a military pay grade type scale (E1-9). They carry badges, they have a blue "blood stripe" down their leg.. Gimme a friggin break... This stuff does more to boost their own ego than it does to deter anyone..

In Chicago, security at the federal buildings is handled by a private security service that the U.S. Marshal's Service oversees. The Marshal's Service performs background checks, oversees training, develops procedures, etc. All of the people who man the security checkpoints on the first floor, and provide extra security for high profile trials have law enforcement backgrounds (former MPs/SPs or local law enforcement), and they carry firearms and handcuffs. The Deputy Marshalls handle criminal defendants going to and from the federal lock-up, as well as people being brought from state and federal prisons to testify.

The system works well, and I personally believe that the competance of the people from the private security firm is much higher than the people that TSA have working at airport checkpoints.


User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 1):
Their procedures would probably stay the same.

I heard somewhere that there is a bill in the works to re-define the legal definition of rape and under the new definition some of what the TSA does would be considered rape. Not sure if it's the same bill mentioned above.



RUSH
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Quoting swa4life (Reply 8):
How about this for a wild idea.. Staff the TSA with actual trained military or law enforcement agents?... Implement rigorous training and education on the laws and how to deal with certain sketchy issues.. One of most pressing issues I hear about all the time is that former military people are having trouble finding work after being discharged.. There ya go..

The TSA is such a clown show. They even work off of a military pay grade type scale (E1-9). They carry badges, they have a blue "blood stripe" down their leg.. Gimme a friggin break... This stuff does more to boost their own ego than it does to deter anyone..
Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 14):
I had a similar Idea for TSA the other day. Since military veterans are having hard times finding jobs why not make TSA an organization that will hire military veterans?

Actually at my airport, the majority of the TSA agents *are* former military, having served in various capacities in different branches of the service. Needless to say, they're also competent at their jobs, but it's also a very small airport.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The use of badges and uniforms that appear to be like that of police/LEO's is part of the intentional intimidation appearance our politicans and many citizens want to discourage terrorists. Most people tend to behave more obediently to those that look like LEO's vs. glorified security guards and that is seen as a psylogical edge to be able to do their job.

I can agree with that. But some of the TSA officers take their job to an extreme. I personally have not had any problems with any one of them. And i do travel quite a bit. I always take off my shoes; put my notebook on a separate bin, yadda, yadda, yadda...

Cheers.


User currently offlineswa4life From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 20):
Actually at my airport, the majority of the TSA agents *are* former military, having served in various capacities in different branches of the service. Needless to say, they're also competent at their jobs, but it's also a very small airport.

Indeed, and I'm sure those agents in particular are probably competent. My suggestion is to close off "hiring" of TSA agents as it is today and ONLY work within the confines of the military or law enforcement. Because while they probably do hire preferentially for military folks, I happen to know first hand that they hire a lot of s*** bird civilians too. I'd like to see something more along the lines of staffing the airport checkpoints with actual Army guardsmen reservists.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

Quoting swa4life (Reply 22):
Indeed, and I'm sure those agents in particular are probably competent. My suggestion is to close off "hiring" of TSA agents as it is today and ONLY work within the confines of the military or law enforcement. Because while they probably do hire preferentially for military folks, I happen to know first hand that they hire a lot of s*** bird civilians too. I'd like to see something more along the lines of staffing the airport checkpoints with actual Army guardsmen reservists.

I agree completely that airport security should be an actual law enforcement role, much like other federal agencies, and should involve the recruitment and hiring of former military personnel. It would make a much more efficient and structured agency than the bureaucratic mess we have now.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting comair25 (Thread starter):
Was watching HLN on AFN and their was a short about a Bill that was proposed that would strip the TSA of their badges and the title "officer".

With all the Republicans in Congress and big business, it will never happen. TSA and Homeland are the brain farts I meant brain childs of the W /Chaney admin.



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25 steeler83 : In that regard, why not just dismantle the entire useless TSA (they suck ass) and replace it with military personnel. Our national security would act
26 spartanmjf : NO TSA employee of any rank deserves the honor inherent in wearing a badge of any type. Period.
27 zippyjet : I'd let them wear a badge that says dumbass or doofus. But, some of the rent a cop companies make the TSA look like the best thing since the mini ski
28 m11stephen : Does anyone remember how horrendous the private security firms contracted by the airlines before 9/11 were? The TSA is a VAST improvement over those.
29 vegas005 : We should use the military to do the job. Well trained young men and women with discipline and a superior officer watching over at all times. Works we
30 Post contains images Maverick623 : Oh, you mean felons like the one that works for TSA at an airport that was forced to issue him a SIDA badge, on the threat of TSA pulling out? Oh for
31 Maverick623 : Federal law prohibits it.
32 wn700driver : In theory, maybe. But are you trying to imply that s***birds are somehow limited to the civilian sector? Because my own time in the USN would suggest
33 jimbobjoe : This would be a terrible use of well-trained personnel. It's like having a computer scientist do data entry. On a day to day basis, the job is insane
34 KC135TopBoom : That is the FBI who redifined the definition of rape. It is the first change in that criminal activity since 1929. TSA Agents are not cops or LEOs. F
35 Oshkosh1 : Flying out of ATW/GRB quite often I find that the TSA people I've dealt with there are never a problem. I fly to Hi-Power rifle matches with a couple
36 L410Turbolet : Reminds me an old, old joke from the communist era about cops, who as the backbone of the regime were passionately hated back then and given their ro
37 T5towbar : How many Federal buildings do they cover? You are talking about many airports here. It would be a good thing to do since there will be a drawdown of
38 KC135TopBoom : If the question is about the TSA's actual competence in security matters is, then ask your self, "does the TSA protect Congress?" Do they protect the
39 kgaiflyer : An excellent idea. I'm surprised no one's thought of it before.
40 seabosdca : That's not their job... their name is the Transportation Security Administration. There's an entirely separate police force within DHS, the Federal P
41 T5towbar : The Secret Service is under the Treasury Department, not the Department of Justice which the Federal police is under, like the FBI and the Marshals Se
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