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JU Launches LGW And Major Summer Expansion  
User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Good afternoon.


From this summer Jat Airways will launching direct flights from Belgrade Nikola Tesla airport to London Gatwick.

BEG-LGW
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18:10-20:15

LGW-BEG
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21:15-01:00
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22:00-01:45

Flights will be operated by Boeing B737-300. Flights have been loaded on amadeus but are not yet bookable on Jat Airways' website.

In addition to this Jat Airways will be flying nine times per week to London Heathrow. Let's not forget the 4 weekly flight on Wizz Air from Belgrade to Luton, departing BEG at 05:40 in the morning.

Jat Airways will be adding frequencies to a number of its routes. Most exciting one will be to Moscow SVO where the airline will add three more flights, from 7 to 10 weekly.

BEG-SVO-BEG JU132/133
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13:10-18:00
18:50-19:55

BEG-SVO-BEG JU134/135 *new*
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08:10-13:00
13:50-15:00

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21:25-02:15
05:55-07:00

Another important change was implemented to the BEG-AMS-BRU where both cities will be operated separately. Amsterdam will be served daily whereas Brussels will be served 6 times per week. Apparently Jat Airways has signed a codeshare agreement with Jet Airways in order to feed its North American routes.

Some other changes:
Berlin: 3>5
Zurich: 7>10
LCA: 2>9
TLV: 2>3
DXB: 0>4
TIP/LQA: 0>2
DBV: 0>2

Flights to Split and Pula have not yet been loaded though the airline announced its return to these Croatian cities. Jat Airways operated flights to Pula several years ago (2008) and its flight to Dubrovnik was more than succesful.

Now all we have to wait and see is how the airline will manage all these additional frequencies with only 10 B733s and 4 Atr-72s.

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Great to see another new airline at LGW!

User currently offlinesofianec From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Any news on the horizon re JU new fleet? Just wondering how long will they endure with these 733's.

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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting sofianec (Reply 2):
Just wondering how long will they endure with these 733's

Every year there is an announcement of a plan. The JAT 737 fleet has seen better days, but have many more years of flying ahead of them.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Brilliant! I look forward to seeing them here.


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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3624 times:

Quoting sofianec (Reply 2):
Any news on the horizon re JU new fleet? Just wondering how long will they endure with these 733's.

Due to the sanctions on Yugoslavia, JAT's fleet was grounded for a long time. This means that their aircraft do not have that many flying hours on them.
Recently Jat Airways has begun refurbishing its B737-300 fleet by completely refurbishing the cabin (leather seats, new carpets, new lights, new sound system) and had even placed new engines on its aircraft.

However, with this new schedule it has become more than obvious that Jat Airways will need new aircraft.

Unfortunately, this is a very dangerous game they are playing. Jat Airways will keep on expanding, add new routes and new planes but will not deal with the high cost structure.
Since they are competing with a whole bunch of airlines in Belgrade they are constantly organizing promotions. Now, for the vast majority of airlines those fares are normal, €99 for regional flights and €120 to €160 for European flights. However for Jat they are making them lose money exactly because of the cost structure. They have only a few destinations around where they can charge their 'normal' fares, those are Tel Aviv or Larnaca where they charge more than €300 for a return ticket booked well in advance.

Jat today has not reformed from JAT and in the long run it will harm it. Of course, I am more than happy that they are expanding but I am not going to be happy with what might happen in a couple of year.

Another major mistake is that they do not consider getting at least another Atr-72 for regional routes. They can not be thinking of becoming a decent Balkan airline without at least double daily flights to all the ex-Yugoslav countries.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 3):
Every year there is an announcement of a plan. The JAT 737 fleet has seen better days, but have many more years of flying ahead of them.

Unfortunately that is true, every year the same story but the same outcome. This year the government dealt with a blow after the second failure to privatize Jat. Minister for infrastructure stated that the government will deal with Jat now and that they will not consider privatizing it but that they will attempt to make it a decent airline. I guess that these changes are part of that.
Jat's CEO stated some time ago that they will have to get B737-700s regardless of the privatization process. I will believe it when I see it...


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Considering those LGW timings, I'm surprised they couldn't get suitable LHR slots and avoid a split operation


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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
Considering those LGW timings, I'm surprised they couldn't get suitable LHR slots and avoid a split operation

Well they already operate 9 weekly flights to LHR, two additional flights are operating at 18:00 from Belgrade on the weekend. I think they are aiming at competing with Wizz Air which flies to Luton. They can't really compete (price-wise) when flying to London Heathrow. Also, 60% of their LHR passengers are continuing onwards on Virgin Atlantic's flights.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26852 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Great to see JAT at LGW and Gatwick are attracting more airlines . Well done to them !

User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Great to see JAT at LGW and Gatwick are attracting more airlines . Well done to them !

They are also increasing Athens to 6 times per week, up from the current 4. That means that Belgrade-Athens will be served a total 13 times per week.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26852 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
They are also increasing Athens to 6 times per week, up from the current 4. That means that Belgrade-Athens will be served a total 13 times per week.

Thats good ATH is loosing some flights but gaining on others. A few more to be announced for next Summer I believe.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

I wonder if the LGW flights are an experiment?

If they work, flog the valuable early afternoon slots at LHR for a few million and transfer all ops to LGW!

Its well known JU are in financial trouble and a few million to add to their coffers would be welcome sight! All the connecting traffic can go through FRA, where they have close links with LH and share the same frequent flyer programme.

I would imagine Wizzair are doing them a lot of damage on some of their "bread and butter" routes, to the likes of Rome, Stockholm, Brussels and London. While W6 flies to secondary airport, Serbia has traditionally been a very expensive market and if flights are a lot less, Im sure O&D traffic will happily use them to the likes of FCO, NYO, CRL and LTN.

JU need to be careful, as I think it is only a matter of time before the likes of easyJet start operating to the likes of BEG, they have very slowly been building up flights in the Balkan region to the likes of ZAG, LJU and PRN. Belgrade with a population in-excess of 1.1 million is probably one of the largest cities in Europe not to be served by the airline.

According to other sources, all this expansion will not be possible with the existing fleet and the airline will need to source additional aircraft. The airline has a notorious record, of trying to upgrade its fleet and adding additional aircraft, with leases failing to go through or unable to secure financing at the last minute. I hope they don't have to cancel routes at the last minute.
http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/search/label/Jat%20Airways

[Edited 2011-12-11 13:41:17]

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

It will be great to have the option to fly JAT from LGW. Well done to both on such a useful connection.

Quoting ju068 (Thread starter):
21:15-01:00
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22:00-01:45

Those flight times look a bit nasty for tourists. Not sure I would trust arriving in a foreign city so late, what if there are no taxis and no buses?


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 11):
If they work, flog the valuable early afternoon slots at LHR for a few million and transfer all ops to LGW!

Its well known JU are in financial trouble and a few million to add to their coffers would be welcome sight! All the connecting traffic can go through FRA, where they have close links with LH and share the same frequent flyer programme.

Jat Airways and Lufthansa are not going to codeshare anymore from 2012. That is one of the main reasons why Jat Airways signed a deal with Jet Airways for the North American flights.
Lufthansa-Jat relationship has been greatly affected in 2009 when Jat signed a deal with KLM. KLM codeshares on Jat's BEG-AMS-BEG and once the codeshare has been signed Jat's numbers to AMS grew by 35% in just one month.

Lufthansa has done more harm than good to Jat. Getting away from it can only do it good.

As for Jat Airways' flight to London Heathrow, they would be stupid to cancell it. During the past summer months they recorded an average loadfactor of 95%. They made a lot of cash on it so I doubt that they would decide to cancel the route. There are a lot of rich Serbs in London and my guess is that they wouldn't be too happy to be forced to fly out of Gatwick or even Luton.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 11):
I would imagine Wizzair are doing them a lot of damage on some of their "bread and butter" routes, to the likes of Rome, Stockholm, Brussels and London. While W6 flies to secondary airport, Serbia has traditionally been a very expensive market and if flights are a lot less, Im sure O&D traffic will happily use them to the likes of FCO, NYO, CRL and LTN.

Jat has seen its passengers grow since Wizz Air entered the Serbian market. Like I said in one of my previous posts, their problem is not W6 but lack of restructuring which will eventually cause them more harm.
Even before W6 entered the Serbian market Jat faced competition from lowcosts. Most importantly it competes with Norwegian to Stockholm (and for one summer season to Oslo) and Germanwings to Stuttgart.
Jat's numbers to Rome rose by more than 30% since Wizz Air launched their own flights. As for Stockholm, well it was never a strong route for Jat and its numbers were not that affected by W6.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 11):

JU need to be careful, as I think it is only a matter of time before the likes of easyJet start operating to the likes of BEG, they have very slowly been building up flights in the Balkan region to the likes of ZAG, LJU and PRN. Belgrade with a population in-excess of 1.1 million is probably one of the largest cities in Europe not to be served by the airlin

Well EasyJet is leaving both Zagreb and Ljubljana so I doubt they would be launching Belgrade anytime soon. Also the managment of BEG is not to happy to work with lowcosts eversince W6 opened their base there.

According to the CEO, all lowcosts are the same and there is no difference between Ryanair and Wizz Air  
Quoting Babybus (Reply 12):
Those flight times look a bit nasty for tourists. Not sure I would trust arriving in a foreign city so late, what if there are no taxis and no buses?

The issue of taxis have been solved. There is a taxi counter in the luggage claim area where people can ask for a ride. Like this they have prevented foreigners being ripped off by the drivers. An average ride to the city costs €15 to €20 which is not bad.
As for the bus, I know that there is one to both the city centre and to the city of Novi Sad but I do not know what time they leave and if there are departures late at night.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 13):
Well EasyJet is leaving both Zagreb and Ljubljana so I doubt they would be launching Belgrade anytime soon. Also the managment of BEG is not to happy to work with lowcosts eversince W6 opened their base there.

According to the CEO, all lowcosts are the same and there is no difference between Ryanair and Wizz Air  

Thats only Paris service...

The routes to London from LJU and ZAG are available for next summer with easyJet!

Quoting ju068 (Reply 13):

According to the CEO, all lowcosts are the same and there is no difference between Ryanair and Wizz Air  

How dare a low cost airline demand a good deal, for using their airport! It's not like Wizzair held a gun to the CEO's head to agree to the contract, when allowing W6 to set up a base there.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 14):
Thats only Paris service...

The routes to London from LJU and ZAG are available for next summer with easyJet!

But London is very well served from Belgrade with Jat and Wizz. Both airlines offer up to three daily flights. Also, Serbs, unlike the Slovenes and the Croats need visa for the UK. I suppose that they might consider launching flights with the visa abolition.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 14):
How dare a low cost airline demand a good deal, for using their airport! It's not like Wizzair held a gun to the CEO's head to agree to the contract, when allowing W6 to set up a base there.

I completely agree with you. He is complaining that W6 is not using the gates and all other services. I do not know what he was expected. Then again, his statement just shows how much he knows about civil aviation when he sees no difference among lowcost airlines.
Not to mention that even today, after two years, stickers ''Do not seat'' on the ac machines have not been removed.  


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 13):
Also the managment of BEG is not to happy to work with lowcosts eversince W6 opened their base there.

How can an airport not be happy with it's airlines? They bring passengers that spend money in the local economy and keep their jobs going???

Quoting ju068 (Reply 13):
There are a lot of rich Serbs in London and my guess is that they wouldn't be too happy to be forced to fly out of Gatwick or even Luton.

Another myth, i know it's been discussed many times, i see no difference arriving at LGW or LHR, unless you need the connections at LHR.
Both airports are within reach from central london, similar travel times...


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 16):
How can an airport not be happy with it's airlines? They bring passengers that spend money in the local economy and keep their jobs going???

Well he is not happy because they are not using all the facilities and all that. This is the reason why he isn't too happy when a lowcost airline shows interest in flying to Belgrade.

Quoting santos (Reply 16):
Another myth, i know it's been discussed many times, i see no difference arriving at LGW or LHR, unless you need the connections at LHR.

Well I have not been to either but that is what I heard from various people that have used both Jat out of LHR and other airlines at both Gatwick and Luton.


User currently offlineCarmelo From Hungary, joined Sep 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Is JAT still operating the greek destinations during summer?What about Aviogonex, any shedules out yet?


Carmelo
User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting Carmelo (Reply 18):
Is JAT still operating the greek destinations during summer?What about Aviogonex, any shedules out yet?

Yes, in recent times their number of charter flights has gone down simply because they are using their aircraft to cover their needs in scheduled traffic.
Aviogenex still operates a lot of summer charters. From mid-May to September they operate on average three flights per day on theri B737-200.

This year Jat has operated very few charter flights to Turkey as both Pegasus and Atlasjet entered the Serbian charter market.


User currently offlinecityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Earlier this year, Wizz added BEG-GSE twice weekly. I was fearing JU would cancel flights on BEG-GOT next summer, but as it turns out, Wizz is adding a third weekly flight while JU are keeping their two flights.
Not bad to have five flights a week to BEG. I'm planning to take a weekend there sometime next year.
Glad to see them both left, competing! I hope they will stay put.
I'm sure the large Serbian population in the Gothenburg area and potential visitors like myself will appreciate this.

/Alex



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting cityairline (Reply 20):
I'm sure the large Serbian population in the Gothenburg area and potential visitors like myself will appreciate this.

Wizz Air has also added a 5th weekly flight from Belgrade to Malmö so I guess that they are happy with their Swedish destinations.


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