With Dubai now past and December the final month there is a lot to update before we get the final numbers by mid January, 2012. This is as most accurate as possible though please note some conversions may not be accounted for, just the small 1 or 2 frames that can be harder to track.
This update is through to November 30th for what appears on the Airbus O&D sheet and December 6th for Boeing, the 2 most latest updates published by them.
Air Astana - 6 A319 to 4 A320 and 2 A321
Air China - 5 A320 to 5 A321
Air Lease Corporation 1 A320 to 1 A321
Aer Lingus - 3 A330-300 to 3 A350-900
Avianca - 6 A319 to 6 A320
Aviation Capital Group - 7 A319 and 4 A321 to 11 A320
CASG China - 2 A320 to 2 A319
CASG China - 50 A320 to 11 A319, 19 A320, 20 A321 for China Eastern
CASG China - 30 A320 to 10 A320, 20 A321 for China Southern
CIT - 3 A320 to 3 A321, 3 A350-800 to 3 A350-900
Garuda Indonesia - 3 A330-200 to 3 A330-300
Hong Kong Airlines - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
ILFC - 6 A350-800 to 6 A350-900
JetBlue - 30 A320 to 30 A321
KLM - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
LAN - 3 A319 to 3 A320
Synergy Aerospace - 10 A350-800 to 10 A350-900
TACA International 3 A319 to 3 A320
TAP Portugal - 12 A350-800 to 12 A350-900
Undisclosed - 9 A320 to 9 A321
Undisclosed - 2 A330-300 to 2 A330-200
US Airways - 6 A320 to 6 A321
Other adjustments and notes since last update
* MTAD - Reduced by 1 to 3 from 4 since initial July 25 order.
Jackson Square Aviation - 1 A320
Virgin America - 1 A320
Frontier changed their A319Neo / A320Neo order to 20 A319Neo & 60 A320Neo, announced as firmed though it's yet to appear on spreadsheet so it remains pending.
For those keeping a tab on Neo orders, from Airbus
With these bookings, firm orders for the A320neo Family reached 1,196, ordered by a total of 21 customers
Virgin America, 30 booked December 2010, 1166 on the books this year, 20 customers, that gives you their number of 1196 from 21 customers. There are an additional 354 pending including the extra 100 AirAsia said they would take but they have been very quiet on that and plus the Frontier order.
That's 1196 plus 354 to give total firm orders and pending commitments for all models of the Neo family at 1550 or 1450 if you exclude AirAsia.
*As pending, not much has been heard of since initial announcement but Tony Fernandes does drop a few hints.
** For AA as it is not known exactly how many are coming from leasing companies.
Aeroflot - 2 777-200ER to 2 777-300ER
Alaska Airlines - 2 737-800 to 2 737-900ER
American Airlines - 1 777-200ER to 1 777-300ER
Aviation Capital Group - 5 737-700 to 5 737-800
China Southern - 19 737-700 to 19 737-800
Continental - 8 737-700 to 8 737-900ER
GECAS - 2 777-300ER to 2 777F
ILFC - 34 787-8 to 34 787-9
Korean Air - 10 787-8 to 10 787-9
Lion Air - 15 737-900ER to 15 737-800
Vietnam Airlines - 8 787-8 to 8 787-9
Qatar Airways - 1 777-200LR to 1 777-300ER
Icelandair have disposed of the 3 787-8s they had on order to Norwegian Air Shuttle.
Oman Air and ALAFCO were much the same as this for their 6 787-8
Other adjustments and notes since last update
China Eastern Airlines will cancel their 15 787-8 and take 45 737s
Shanghai Airlines will also cancel their 9 787-8 China Cancel 24 787 - Orders Below 800 (by oykie Oct 17 2011 in Civil Aviation)
This one is still worth its own thread if you look at all the activity from China in relation to the 787 this year.
Saudi Arabian Airlines are in the market for 50 frames, from both OEM's, the 10 777-300ERs listed as pending will remain so given clear statements from the carrier earlier this year.
Air China - 5 B747-8i
AF/KLM - 25 787-9
American Airlines - 2 B777-300ER, 100 737Max*
Aviation Capital Group - 35 737Max****
British Airways - 2 777-300ER**
China Southern - 6 777F**
EVA Air - 10 777, some freighters breakdown not known, for a part **
Hong Kong Airlines - 6 777F**, 2 787BBJ, 30 787-9
Indian Navy - 12 737-800 to increase their P-8 order to 24 It is a civil frame so is listed
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-9Max****
LAN - 4 767-300ER***
Saudi Arabian Airlines - 10 777-300ER
Transaero - 4 747-8i
Unidentified - 15 747-8i reported to be HNA Group - Hong Kong Airlines
Xiamen Airlines - 6 787-8
Note - the pending total does not include approximately 464 737Max from 9 customers mentioned in the link above as we don't publicly know the breakdown for each....yet.
*Pending bankruptcy court approval
** Possible undisclosed
*** No further confirmation, if not firmed this month it will be removed
**** Pending formal launch.
Boeing
Totals
Gross - 643
Net - 527
Pending - 504
Clarifications are welcome and these numbers, when looked at over the year, really do tell a great deal about the industry this year and how the two OEM's have benefited, but that's for another thread. maybe even 2 or 3...
JerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 14786 times:
Amazing how mnany of the conversions are moving UP a size. Airlines must have more confidence in economic recovery in the nmedium term than most news soiurces!
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4268 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14537 times:
Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 4): Airlines must have more confidence in economic recovery in the nmedium term than most news soiurces!
They see bookings going up, cargo getting more, real economy growing, and not what those news agencies owned by those who profit billions in every crisis want us to believe...
I just saw that LH tranported 6.4% more pax this November than last year. There is no crisis.
Back to topic, next year we can expect there will be massive orders for Boeing, they easily can reach 1000 for the MAX next year, while Airbus just by booking the pendings and selling normally can come near to 1000 too.
Or more likely the just chose the smaller model originally for smaller deposits and only converted them to the larger model as the production dates came onto the horizon.
Southwest are announced as launch customer for the MAX with a firm order for 150 plus another 58 737NGs. All new as Boeing's statement says they now have 13 737MAX customers and over 900 orders and commitments for the models. More available for discussion at;
Of note, the Southwest order which Boeing Commercial have announced is the largest firm order in dollar value and number of airplanes in their history. The third time since Dubai they have attained their largest dollar value order based on list prices. Lion Air's commitment for 201 MAX plus 29 NG's is also in that region for number of units and dollar value.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4290 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13392 times:
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2669 posts, RR: 59 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13134 times:
And Boeing just hit 200 gross 777 orders this year! (if firmed)
Paul,
I forgot to bring this up earlier, but Boeing had quite a few 737 model conversions in Nobember. I can't remember them all now, but I know AS converted 2 more -800's to -900ER's (now up to 19) and a UFO customer converted 9 -800's to -700's.
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3215 posts, RR: 66 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12944 times:
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2669 posts, RR: 59 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12900 times:
polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1591 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12697 times:
I'm just amazed that Boeing has managed to sell 40 767s this year, making it the 3rd best selling widebody after the 777 and A330. Especially interesting that the 767/A330 replacements, the 787 and A350, both have negative net orders so far this year as well.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2669 posts, RR: 59 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12575 times:
Just a p.s. to my previous post - in his blog update today, Boeing's Randy Tinseth 'dropped' that the 2 Unidentifieds booked this week are 777F's.
Quoting polot (Reply 14): Especially interesting that the 767/A330 replacements, the 787 and A350, both have negative net orders so far this year as well.
It will be interesting to see if Boeing can book Hong Kong Airlines' 32 787's this month, finally giving that program a net positive YoY orderbook. . .
qfa787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12479 times:
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 15): It will be interesting to see if Boeing can book Hong Kong Airlines' 32 787's this month, finally giving that program a net positive YoY orderbook. . .
Would also be nice if they snagged another 748I customer to get that into net 2011 positive territory!
polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1591 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12373 times:
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 15): It will be interesting to see if Boeing can book Hong Kong Airlines' 32 787's this month, finally giving that program a net positive YoY orderbook. . .
AF's order would also do the trick (and bring the A350 close to net 0 assuming they would firm both at the the same time). It would be great if they could book both, that would push the 787 over the 767 in terms of net orders.
Chiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 931 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12252 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 17): Not for widebodies. Boeing is WAY ahead.
That's for sure. Only 71 net order compared to Boeing's amazing 227.
I think Airbus is still a head by total net orders value but not by much now.
Do anyone know that list prices for the NEOs and MAX' ?
polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1591 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12009 times:
Quoting Julian773 (Reply 19): ps: how many of the total Boeings were ordered after the 737MAX was announced?
The 737MAX was announced August 30th, and since that time has logged ~413 orders. I am probably missing a few small orders here and there from early December, but Boeing's site only goes up to November for user defined reports and I don't feel like figuring out all the orders from December. 251 of those orders were from this week (it really was a good week for Boeing).
polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1591 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11767 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 23):
Mind you the MAX awaits a rush of orders, but so far the only order is from Southwest (150 frames).
I was referring to total Boeing orders, not 737MAX orders specifically.
25 Chiad: Ah .. I see. No doubt that Boeing has had a fantastic second half! December will prove interesting. I hope Boeing can net positive over the whole pro
26 mffoda: Paul, I was just scanning the numbers from your very detailed order breakdown above, and noticed something very interesting regarding "737NG" sales th
27 Stitch: I wish I'd made a bet with a certain a.net member who was very confident nine months ago predicting that Boeing could not possibly match the 486 sale
28 mffoda: That a-net member wouldn't happen to have a white cross in the middle of a red background on the flag next to his name... would he?
29 B738FlyUIA: Is there any info when Transaero will confirm the order for the 4 747-8I? Thx
30 ebbuk: I am no expert regarding these figures but I would suggest that NG sales would be higher by virtue of the fact that the MAX that replaces it has a la
31 someone83: No changes in Boeing weekly updates this week. So now we have to wait for early January for the final order comfirmation from 2011
32 astuteman: If I assume that both manufacturers will grow output until it peaks at 500 per year (just a working assumption), then based on the information curren
33 kanban: Transaero 4 787's reported in it's own thread but not here From the release http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ransaero-to-take-four-787s-366371/
34 polot: Boeing is not updating their spreadsheet anymore this year, and will release any orders received from Dec 20 to Jan 1 in early January, so we won't k
35 col: Orders and deliveries for the old girl have been fantastic this year. The 737, the gift that keeps giving!!
36 Stitch: Pending PanAm_DC10's official update, Boeing secured 805 net orders for 2011, adding 2 767-300ERs and 25 787-9s for Unidentified Customer(s) in the la
37 ebbUK: Well it certainly isn't over till the fat lady sings. Boeing pushed through orders of hundreds of planes in the last month. Not sure JL could even ac
38 Stitch: Boeing and Airbus both tend to secure a nice chunk of orders in the final weeks of each year.
39 PlanesNTrains: See, they DID learn something from Airbus. -Dave
40 OldAeroGuy: Interestingly, the total number of 777NG (-200LR, -300ER & F) sales through the end of 2011 stand at 787. Must be in honor of the sister airplane'
41 ebbUK: They did do a lot but Boeing didn't get the 10 748i that they trumpeted at Le Bourget, forcing Airbus to announce their MOU for 10 A380s. What a farc
42 PlanesNTrains: ??? Not sure what your point is in relation to me. Have a good one. -Dave
43 wolbo: True, although for 2011 Airbus has been remarkably quiet in the final part of the year compared to previous years. No frantic last minute announcemen
44 Stitch: So the customer - or in this case, the customer's country - is slow on signing the paperwork and it's Boeing who is the a**hole? W'ever. Well the usu
45 ebbUK: Sorry not sure myself either, I'm getting a bit quote happy in my old age, my apologies. Come on it was pretty pooey PR. the airline said nothing, wa
46 StressedOut: How ironic. Stitch is far less biased in his posts than most others. Your obvious bias does nothing to maintain civility on this forum.[Edited 2012-0
47 Stitch: At Paris Boeing announced two UFO orders for the 747-8 (later identified for W3), two orders for the 747-8F from GECAS and 15 UFO commitments. Everyo
48 ebbUK: Ok so can we safely say, without drama, that Boeing made an announcement for 748i's which didn't make the 2011 books?
49 Stitch: Yes, but they made that announcement in the form of a commitment (which is evidently an MoU/LoI with a deposit check), not an order and therefore tha
50 ebbUK: I didn't say they were pulling a fast one. They weren't at all. But it was unprecedented in that they made an announcement without the airline being
51 Stitch: Boeing commonly announces orders where the customer is unidentified. Heck, they just recorded 27 this week. True, Boeing does not normally announce u
52 polot: Boeing forced Airbus to do nothing. Lets not forget that Airbus applied the HX logo to its A380 before the airshow (and covered it up). Obviously Air
53 ebbUK: Ok boys. I'll let history be the way you want it to be. At least let's cheer the numbers. Hip hip for Boeing...
54 Stitch: Well history was written by the victors, so that should favor Airbus' view for 2011.
55 kanban: Paul when you do the final tabulation, please lock this and start the 2012 orders thread. I would prefer that it be limited to actuals (sales, MOU's a
56 Stitch: It appears that HX did finally convert their MoU for the A380-800 into a firm order last week so they will show up in the final 2011 order tally. Hong
58 PanAm_DC10: Boeing have announced their totals which can be discussed here; Boeing 2011 O&D Totals (by scbriml Jan 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) Of note, they dif
59 mffoda: I was having a little fun with some numbers from the Boeing and Airbus 2011 O&D pages and thought I'd share them with my fellow A-netters. The Boe
60 Cerecl: There must be a number missing in the unit price of the A32xneo. I think you meant million.
61 flood: $6.2 million reflects Airbus' pricing delta for the NEO... mffoda already accounted for the basic A320s seperately. You're right the total values are
63 mffoda: Yes, thanks guys. And I continued the error with copy & paste...
64 Hamlet69: Just as an add-on to the latest Boeing update: AirTran's 51 undelivered 73G's have now been transferred to Southwest, with the following conversion: T
65 mffoda: Ham, Where are you getting this Info above? edit... I mean were all of these previous ufo's now identified?[Edited 2012-01-08 14:12:47]
66 Hamlet69: Running databases, comparing month-over-month changes of the orderbook based on Customer and dates of order. I'm not at home at the moment, so unfort
67 india1: Flightglobal reporst confirming of the HK 380 order: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...onfirms-order-for-10-a380s-366646/
68 jonathan-l: Any speculation as to whom the two 777Fs booked as unidentified by Boeing on Dec 15th are for?[Edited 2012-01-09 02:35:12]
69 someone83: Airbud just released their December spreadsheet with the folowwing has been firmed up: Republic: A319: 20 A320: 60 Comlux: A321: 1 Intrepid Aviation G
70 Jack: New Airbus Cancellations: Etihad -6 A3510 Exec -1 A358, -5 A359, -2 A318 Others -2 A319,-29 A320 & -1 A321 and the American A321 neo order gone wi
71 someone83: It's not gone, but it's not firmed yet. Leahy mentioned the AA order on the press conference saying it will likely be firmed at a later stage, but as
73 frigatebird: So they've firmed their A380's, but not the 747-8i MoU. I'm starting to have even more doubts about these. Very surprising, I must admit. They ordere
74 Stitch: I wonder if they are behind the 8 frame UFO 77W order of 16 November? This assumes HX really is the customer. But hey, it took W3 years to firm their
75 Jack: The order first appeared in the July spreadsheet up until November. It is not in the December spreadsheet at all, not even as a cancellation. I guess
76 ebbuk: According to JL at the press conference this morning, it is all about ch11. Basically all contracts signed before ch11 are no longer legally binding.
77 india1: Missed it then... did Boeing also not show the AA orders end of year or are they accounting for their share? Any difference in the way the orders were
78 Stitch: Boeing did record the 100 737-800s they ordered on 27-Jul-2011, which I believe was before they entered C11. The Bankruptcy Judge has also approved a
79 Hamlet69: I have to apologize. Just realized I got those reversed. It should be 8 for Shandong, 6 for Shenzhen. I'm truly, genuinely curious about this, as in
80 PM: I assume these are the planes ordered by MAZ Aviation in 2008.
81 someone83: A lot of this has to do with accounting rules, and is probably why Airbus had to remove them as the contract isn't "sure enough" to have it in their
82 ebbuk: @Hamlet69 reply 79 Well for the very fact that AA COULD have a contract nullified has prompted A to remove the order as a precaution. I don't know if
83 india1: I asked this in a parallel thread - whats the difference between the A and B orders for one to be counted and not the other?
84 Stitch: Boeing has, but then they may be confident that their order will be approved since AA already has a large 737-800 fleet and has gained court approval
85 flood: From their slide: http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/ho...?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=20291
86 PM: Ah, I never even looked at the slides. Thanks for the confirmation.
87 Hamlet69: Hmmmm. . . when I saw that slide, I was hoping it would answer a question I had updating databases with Airbus's new numbers. Unfortunately, it doesn
88 travelhound: An order is an order until it isn't an order. I'm not sure this is decision Boeing can make until such times ............
89 Jack: Below is a complete list of cancellations and model changes for the A320 family that I can see in December. Undisclosed -21 A320 Virgin America -1 A32
90 someone83: Boeing has confirmed Saudi Arabian Airlines as the customer for 8 777-300ER booked as UFOs in 2011 http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item
91 kanban: Paul, are you going to start up the 2012 orders thread soon?
92 someone83: I started a new thread just to get it started, but leave other to fill out all the blanks i left Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 Part 1 (by someone83 J
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