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Airbus And Boeing Orders 2011 Part 3  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18237 times:
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Hi All,

Following on from the previous 2 threads it is now time to do one last update for the year, the previous can be found here;

Airbus And Boeing 2011 Orders (by PanAm_DC10 Apr 14 2011 in Civil Aviation)
Airbus And Boeing 2011 Orders Part 2 (by PanAm_DC10 Aug 15 2011 in Civil Aviation)

With Dubai now past and December the final month there is a lot to update before we get the final numbers by mid January, 2012. This is as most accurate as possible though please note some conversions may not be accounted for, just the small 1 or 2 frames that can be harder to track.

This update is through to November 30th for what appears on the Airbus O&D sheet and December 6th for Boeing, the 2 most latest updates published by them.

Airbus

Firm


AirAsia - 200 A320neo
AirAsia X - 3 A330-200
Air Lease Corp - 1 A321, 4 A330-200, 3 A330-300
Air Pacific - 3 A330-200
ALAFCO - 50 A320neo, 6 A350-900
American Airlines - 130 A321neo
Asiana Airlines - 6 A380-800
Avianca / Tampa - 4 A330-200F
Aviation Capital Group - 30 A320neo
BOC Aviation - 1 A330-300
China Aviation Supplies Holding Company (CASG) - 46 A320
Cathay Pacific - 15 A330-300
Cebu Air - 7 A320, 30 A321neo
CIT - 50 A320neo, 1 A330-200, 1 A330-300
Garuda Indonesia - 15 A320, 10 A320neo, 4 A330-300
GECAS - 3 A320, 60 A320neo, 12 A330-300
Go Air - 72 A320neo
Hawaiian Airlines - 5 A330-200
Iberia - 8 A330-300
ICBC Financial Leasing Co., Ltd - 42 A320
ILFC - 75 A320neo, 25 A321neo
Indigo - 30 A320, 150 A320neo
JetBlue - 40 A320neo
Korean Air - 5 A330-200
LAN Airlines - 20 A320neo
LAO Airlines - 2 A320
Lufthansa - 4 A320, 25 A320neo, 5 A321neo, 1 A330-300, 2 A380-800
MTAD - 3 A330-200 *
Private Customers - 1 A319, 1 A319
Private Customers - 1 A318, 1 A319
Private Customers - 1 A318
Qantas Airways - 32 A320, 78 A320neo
Qatar Airways - 6 A319neo, 30 A320neo, 14 A321neo, 5 A380-800
Saudi Arabian - 4 A330-300
SAS - 30 A320neo
Singapore Airlines - 15 A330-300
SkyMark Airlines - 6 A380-800
Star Flyer - 3 A320
TAM Linhas Aereas - 4 A320, 22 A320neo, 6 A321
Thai - 5 A320, 4 A350-900
Thomas Cook Airlines Scandinavia A/S - 12 A321
Tibet Airlines - 2 A320
TUI Travel Aviation Finance Ltd - 2 A330-300
Turkish Airlines - 10 A321, 3 A330-200F
Transaero Airlines - 8 A320neo
TransAsia - 6 A321neo

Cancellations and Changes

03 - A318
06 - A319
79 - A320
02 - A330-200
12 - A330-200F
02 - A340-500
05 - A350-800
24 - A350-900
10 - A380-800

Minus 143

Conversions

Air Astana - 6 A319 to 4 A320 and 2 A321
Air China - 5 A320 to 5 A321
Air Lease Corporation 1 A320 to 1 A321
Aer Lingus - 3 A330-300 to 3 A350-900
Avianca - 6 A319 to 6 A320
Aviation Capital Group - 7 A319 and 4 A321 to 11 A320
CASG China - 2 A320 to 2 A319
CASG China - 50 A320 to 11 A319, 19 A320, 20 A321 for China Eastern
CASG China - 30 A320 to 10 A320, 20 A321 for China Southern
CIT - 3 A320 to 3 A321, 3 A350-800 to 3 A350-900
Garuda Indonesia - 3 A330-200 to 3 A330-300
Hong Kong Airlines - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
ILFC - 6 A350-800 to 6 A350-900
JetBlue - 30 A320 to 30 A321
KLM - 1 A330-200 to 1 A330-300
LAN - 3 A319 to 3 A320
Synergy Aerospace - 10 A350-800 to 10 A350-900
TACA International 3 A319 to 3 A320
TAP Portugal - 12 A350-800 to 12 A350-900
Undisclosed - 9 A320 to 9 A321
Undisclosed - 2 A330-300 to 2 A330-200
US Airways - 6 A320 to 6 A321

Other adjustments and notes since last update

* MTAD - Reduced by 1 to 3 from 4 since initial July 25 order.
Jackson Square Aviation - 1 A320
Virgin America - 1 A320

Frontier changed their A319Neo / A320Neo order to 20 A319Neo & 60 A320Neo, announced as firmed though it's yet to appear on spreadsheet so it remains pending.

Kingfisher cancelled their 2 A340-500s and are also exiting the Budget side of the business, this may influence their outstanding A320 orders www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5267890/

Pending

AirAsia - 100 A320neo*
AF/KLM - 25 A350-900
Air Lease Corporation - 20 A320neo, 16 A321neo, (14 Neo options)
Air Namibia - 2 A319
ALAFCO - 30 A320neo, (Announced at Dubai as options to be firmed by year end)
American Airlines - 130 Mix of A319 / A321oeo - not all will be new as coming from new and existing leasing co orders **
Avianca TACA - 18 A320, 33 A320neo
China Eastern - 15 A330
Comlux - 1 A321CJ
Frontier - 20 A319neo, 60 A320neo
Spirit Airlines - 30 A320, 45 A320neo
Sichuan Airlines - 2 A319, 4 A320, 2 A321 (Possible conversion from CASGC)
Transaero - 4 A380-800
Undisclosed - 10 A380-800 widely reported as HNA Group. (Hong Kong Airlines expect 1st delivery of 4 in 2013***)
Volaris - 14 A320, 30 A320neo


** Pending Bankruptcy Court approval and for details of pre CH-11 filing refer AA Makes A319 And A321 Selection Official (by AAIL86 Nov 21 2011 in Civil Aviation) also many will be from existing leasing company orders.
*** Refer to the following thread for details www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5314010

For those keeping a tab on Neo orders, from Airbus

With these bookings, firm orders for the A320neo Family reached 1,196, ordered by a total of 21 customers

Virgin America, 30 booked December 2010, 1166 on the books this year, 20 customers, that gives you their number of 1196 from 21 customers. There are an additional 354 pending including the extra 100 AirAsia said they would take but they have been very quiet on that and plus the Frontier order.

That's 1196 plus 354 to give total firm orders and pending commitments for all models of the Neo family at 1550 or 1450 if you exclude AirAsia.

*As pending, not much has been heard of since initial announcement but Tony Fernandes does drop a few hints.
** For AA as it is not known exactly how many are coming from leasing companies.

Airbus

Totals


Gross - 1521
Net - 1378
Pending - 611

Boeing

Firm


Aeroflot - 16 777-300ER
Alaska Airlines - 2 737-800, 13 737-900ER
Air Lease Corporation - 24 737-800, 5 777-300ER, 4 787-9
American Airlines - 100 737-800, 6 777-300ER
Arik Air - 2 747-8i
Aviation Capital Group - 20 737-800
BDS USAF Tanker - 4 767-2C
BBJ/VIP Customers - 1 737-700BBJ, 1 737-800BBJ, 1 737-800BBJ, 1 747-8i BBJ
Cathay Pacific Airways - 8 777F, 14 777-300ER
Continental Airlines - 11 737-900ER
Delta Air Lines - 100 737-900ER
Dubai Aerospace Enterprise - 5 777F
El Al Israel Airlines - 4 737-900ER
Emirates - 50 B777-300ER
Ethiopian Airlines - 4 777F
Etihad Airways - 3 777-300ER
FedEx - 4 777F
GECAS - 2 747-8F, 2 777F, 16 777-300ER
ILFC - 33 737-800
Korean Air - 2 737-900ER, 2 747-8F, 2 777-300ER
LAN Airlines - 8 767-300ER
Lufthansa Cargo - 5 777F
Malaysia Airlines - 10 737-800
MIAT Mongolian - 2 737-800, 1 767-300ER
Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA - 15 737-800
Oman Air - 6 787-8
Qatar Airways - 2 777F, 8 777-300ER
Singapore Airlines - 8 777-300ER
TAM - 2 777-300ER
Thai - 6 777-300ER
Turkish Airlines - 10 737-800, 5 737-900ER
Turkmenistan Airlines - 2 777-200LR
Unidentified Customers - 5 737-700, 2 737-800, 12 777F, 16 777-300ER
United States Navy - 13 737-800A
UTair - 33 737-800, 7 737-900ER
Virgin Australia Airlines - 3 737-800

Cancellations and Changes

74 737
08 747
02 777
32 787

Minus 116

Conversions

Aeroflot - 2 777-200ER to 2 777-300ER
Alaska Airlines - 2 737-800 to 2 737-900ER
American Airlines - 1 777-200ER to 1 777-300ER
Aviation Capital Group - 5 737-700 to 5 737-800
China Southern - 19 737-700 to 19 737-800
Continental - 8 737-700 to 8 737-900ER
GECAS - 2 777-300ER to 2 777F
ILFC - 34 787-8 to 34 787-9
Korean Air - 10 787-8 to 10 787-9
Lion Air - 15 737-900ER to 15 737-800
Vietnam Airlines - 8 787-8 to 8 787-9
Qatar Airways - 1 777-200LR to 1 777-300ER

Icelandair have disposed of the 3 787-8s they had on order to Norwegian Air Shuttle.
Oman Air and ALAFCO were much the same as this for their 6 787-8


Other adjustments and notes since last update

China Eastern Airlines will cancel their 15 787-8 and take 45 737s
Shanghai Airlines will also cancel their 9 787-8
China Cancel 24 787 - Orders Below 800 (by oykie Oct 17 2011 in Civil Aviation)
This one is still worth its own thread if you look at all the activity from China in relation to the 787 this year.

Saudi Arabian Airlines are in the market for 50 frames, from both OEM's, the 10 777-300ERs listed as pending will remain so given clear statements from the carrier earlier this year.

Transaero also added an MoU for the 747-8i Transaero Signs For 747-8I As Well (by RubberJungle Nov 8 2011 in Civil Aviation)

EVA Air have 10 777s on order refer reply 123 www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/ge..._aviation/read.main/5231056/1/#123

9 777-300ER are listed for AA but that is likely 10 now based on a pre CH-11 report.

The 767 may receive a boost from FedEx Express based on the following report Bloomberg: FedEx May Order 30 767s Next Week (by PITrules Dec 7 2011 in Civil Aviation)

The 737MAX has gained momentum with close to 800 commitments, 3 identified customers out of 12 and it is now 100 days since Boeing introduced the MAX www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5329726/ with Lion Air taking the headlines

Pending

Air China - 5 B747-8i
AF/KLM - 25 787-9
American Airlines - 2 B777-300ER, 100 737Max*
Aviation Capital Group - 35 737Max****
British Airways - 2 777-300ER**
China Southern - 6 777F**
EVA Air - 10 777, some freighters breakdown not known, for a part **
Hong Kong Airlines - 6 777F**, 2 787BBJ, 30 787-9
Indian Navy - 12 737-800 to increase their P-8 order to 24 It is a civil frame so is listed
Lion Air - 29 737-900ER, 201 737-9Max****
LAN - 4 767-300ER***
Saudi Arabian Airlines - 10 777-300ER
Transaero - 4 747-8i
Unidentified - 15 747-8i reported to be HNA Group - Hong Kong Airlines
Xiamen Airlines - 6 787-8

Note - the pending total does not include approximately 464 737Max from 9 customers mentioned in the link above as we don't publicly know the breakdown for each....yet.

*Pending bankruptcy court approval
** Possible undisclosed
*** No further confirmation, if not firmed this month it will be removed
**** Pending formal launch.

Boeing

Totals


Gross - 643
Net - 527
Pending - 504

Clarifications are welcome and these numbers, when looked at over the year, really do tell a great deal about the industry this year and how the two OEM's have benefited, but that's for another thread. maybe even 2 or 3...

For those interested in orders from other OEM's please refer to ATR, BBD, EMB, Etc Orders 2011 Take 2 (by iceberg210 Jun 27 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks and regards

Paul


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User currently onlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17522 times:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2066

10 787-9 and 2 777F for Etihad according to Boeing


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17480 times:

Hi Paul

I know this is getting old but ... thank you so much!
  


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17447 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
10 787-9 and 2 777F for Etihad according to Boeing

Good news for GE.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 17060 times:

Amazing how mnany of the conversions are moving UP a size. Airlines must have more confidence in economic recovery in the nmedium term than most news soiurces!

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16811 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 4):
Airlines must have more confidence in economic recovery in the nmedium term than most news soiurces!

They see bookings going up, cargo getting more, real economy growing, and not what those news agencies owned by those who profit billions in every crisis want us to believe...

I just saw that LH tranported 6.4% more pax this November than last year. There is no crisis.

Back to topic, next year we can expect there will be massive orders for Boeing, they easily can reach 1000 for the MAX next year, while Airbus just by booking the pendings and selling normally can come near to 1000 too.

[Edited 2011-12-12 06:19:11]

User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16648 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 4):

Or more likely the just chose the smaller model originally for smaller deposits and only converted them to the larger model as the production dates came onto the horizon.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16060 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):

They appear to be new too so we can add them as pending, more available for discussion at the following thread;

Etihad Airways Orders 10 787-9 & 2 777F (by fpetrutiu Dec 12 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Southwest are announced as launch customer for the MAX with a firm order for 150 plus another 58 737NGs. All new as Boeing's statement says they now have 13 737MAX customers and over 900 orders and commitments for the models. More available for discussion at;

Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG (by AAplat4life Dec 13 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Update for Boeing

Gross - 643
Net - 527
Pending - 724

Of note, the Southwest order which Boeing Commercial have announced is the largest firm order in dollar value and number of airplanes in their history. The third time since Dubai they have attained their largest dollar value order based on list prices. Lion Air's commitment for 201 MAX plus 29 NG's is also in that region for number of units and dollar value.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

You can add 27 767-300F to FedEx  

Still have to wait and see if Boeing firms them when they update their weekly orders later today


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5529 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15666 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 8):
You can add 27 767-300F to FedEx

And 2 777F.


User currently offlineljupco From Macedonia, joined Feb 2010, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15585 times:

Congrats to Airbus!
This is definitely AIRBUS year
keep going....   


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
And 2 777F.

And Boeing just hit 200 gross 777 orders this year! (if firmed)


Paul,

I forgot to bring this up earlier, but Boeing had quite a few 737 model conversions in Nobember. I can't remember them all now, but I know AS converted 2 more -800's to -900ER's (now up to 19) and a UFO customer converted 9 -800's to -700's.


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 67
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15218 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 11):
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
And 2 777F.

And Boeing just hit 200 gross 777 orders this year! (if firmed)

Per today's Boeing's Order website, 2011 777 orders have hit 200 net (202 gross).



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15174 times:

Just saw that. Firmed today:

- Southwest 150 737MAX & 58 737NG
- Etihad 2 777F & 10 787-9
- FedEx 27 767-300F & 2 777F
- Unidentified 2 777


Also, identified the formerly UFO:

- China Southern Cargo 6 777F
- Hong Kong Airlines 6 777F


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14971 times:

I'm just amazed that Boeing has managed to sell 40 767s this year, making it the 3rd best selling widebody after the 777 and A330. Especially interesting that the 767/A330 replacements, the 787 and A350, both have negative net orders so far this year as well.

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14849 times:

Just a p.s. to my previous post - in his blog update today, Boeing's Randy Tinseth 'dropped' that the 2 Unidentifieds booked this week are 777F's.

Quoting polot (Reply 14):
Especially interesting that the 767/A330 replacements, the 787 and A350, both have negative net orders so far this year as well.

It will be interesting to see if Boeing can book Hong Kong Airlines' 32 787's this month, finally giving that program a net positive YoY orderbook. . .


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineqfa787380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14753 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 15):
It will be interesting to see if Boeing can book Hong Kong Airlines' 32 787's this month, finally giving that program a net positive YoY orderbook. . .

Would also be nice if they snagged another 748I customer to get that into net 2011 positive territory!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14699 times:

Quoting ljupco (Reply 10):
This is definitely AIRBUS year

Not for widebodies. Boeing is WAY ahead.


User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14647 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 15):
It will be interesting to see if Boeing can book Hong Kong Airlines' 32 787's this month, finally giving that program a net positive YoY orderbook. . .

AF's order would also do the trick (and bring the A350 close to net 0 assuming they would firm both at the the same time). It would be great if they could book both, that would push the 787 over the 767 in terms of net orders.


User currently offlineJulian773 From Australia, joined Aug 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14528 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
Not for widebodies. Boeing is WAY ahead.

  

The 777 is really doing great! Roughly a third of the B orders are widebodies!

Congrats to both Airbus and Boeing for a good year!


ps: how many of the total Boeings were ordered after the 737MAX was announced?


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14526 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
Not for widebodies. Boeing is WAY ahead.

That's for sure. Only 71 net order compared to Boeing's amazing 227.
I think Airbus is still a head by total net orders value but not by much now.
Do anyone know that list prices for the NEOs and MAX' ?


User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14283 times:

Quoting Julian773 (Reply 19):
ps: how many of the total Boeings were ordered after the 737MAX was announced?

The 737MAX was announced August 30th, and since that time has logged ~413 orders. I am probably missing a few small orders here and there from early December, but Boeing's site only goes up to November for user defined reports and I don't feel like figuring out all the orders from December. 251 of those orders were from this week (it really was a good week for Boeing).


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14201 times:

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 16):
Would also be nice if they snagged another 748I customer to get that into net 2011 positive territory!

Transaero ordered 4 in November... Maybe those will get finalized??



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14074 times:

Quoting polot (Reply 21):
The 737MAX was announced August 30th, and since that time has logged ~413 orders

Mind you the MAX awaits a rush of orders, but so far the only order is from Southwest (150 frames).


User currently offlinepolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14041 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 23):

Mind you the MAX awaits a rush of orders, but so far the only order is from Southwest (150 frames).

I was referring to total Boeing orders, not 737MAX orders specifically.


25 Chiad : Ah .. I see. No doubt that Boeing has had a fantastic second half! December will prove interesting. I hope Boeing can net positive over the whole pro
26 Post contains images mffoda : Paul, I was just scanning the numbers from your very detailed order breakdown above, and noticed something very interesting regarding "737NG" sales th
27 Post contains images Stitch : I wish I'd made a bet with a certain a.net member who was very confident nine months ago predicting that Boeing could not possibly match the 486 sale
28 Post contains images mffoda : That a-net member wouldn't happen to have a white cross in the middle of a red background on the flag next to his name... would he?
29 B738FlyUIA : Is there any info when Transaero will confirm the order for the 4 747-8I? Thx
30 ebbuk : I am no expert regarding these figures but I would suggest that NG sales would be higher by virtue of the fact that the MAX that replaces it has a la
31 someone83 : No changes in Boeing weekly updates this week. So now we have to wait for early January for the final order comfirmation from 2011
32 astuteman : If I assume that both manufacturers will grow output until it peaks at 500 per year (just a working assumption), then based on the information curren
33 Post contains links kanban : Transaero 4 787's reported in it's own thread but not here From the release http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ransaero-to-take-four-787s-366371/
34 polot : Boeing is not updating their spreadsheet anymore this year, and will release any orders received from Dec 20 to Jan 1 in early January, so we won't k
35 col : Orders and deliveries for the old girl have been fantastic this year. The 737, the gift that keeps giving!!
36 Stitch : Pending PanAm_DC10's official update, Boeing secured 805 net orders for 2011, adding 2 767-300ERs and 25 787-9s for Unidentified Customer(s) in the la
37 ebbUK : Well it certainly isn't over till the fat lady sings. Boeing pushed through orders of hundreds of planes in the last month. Not sure JL could even ac
38 Stitch : Boeing and Airbus both tend to secure a nice chunk of orders in the final weeks of each year.
39 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : See, they DID learn something from Airbus. -Dave
40 OldAeroGuy : Interestingly, the total number of 777NG (-200LR, -300ER & F) sales through the end of 2011 stand at 787. Must be in honor of the sister airplane'
41 ebbUK : They did do a lot but Boeing didn't get the 10 748i that they trumpeted at Le Bourget, forcing Airbus to announce their MOU for 10 A380s. What a farc
42 PlanesNTrains : ??? Not sure what your point is in relation to me. Have a good one. -Dave
43 wolbo : True, although for 2011 Airbus has been remarkably quiet in the final part of the year compared to previous years. No frantic last minute announcemen
44 Post contains images Stitch : So the customer - or in this case, the customer's country - is slow on signing the paperwork and it's Boeing who is the a**hole? W'ever. Well the usu
45 ebbUK : Sorry not sure myself either, I'm getting a bit quote happy in my old age, my apologies. Come on it was pretty pooey PR. the airline said nothing, wa
46 StressedOut : How ironic. Stitch is far less biased in his posts than most others. Your obvious bias does nothing to maintain civility on this forum.[Edited 2012-0
47 Stitch : At Paris Boeing announced two UFO orders for the 747-8 (later identified for W3), two orders for the 747-8F from GECAS and 15 UFO commitments. Everyo
48 ebbUK : Ok so can we safely say, without drama, that Boeing made an announcement for 748i's which didn't make the 2011 books?
49 Post contains images Stitch : Yes, but they made that announcement in the form of a commitment (which is evidently an MoU/LoI with a deposit check), not an order and therefore tha
50 Post contains images ebbUK : I didn't say they were pulling a fast one. They weren't at all. But it was unprecedented in that they made an announcement without the airline being
51 Stitch : Boeing commonly announces orders where the customer is unidentified. Heck, they just recorded 27 this week. True, Boeing does not normally announce u
52 polot : Boeing forced Airbus to do nothing. Lets not forget that Airbus applied the HX logo to its A380 before the airshow (and covered it up). Obviously Air
53 ebbUK : Ok boys. I'll let history be the way you want it to be. At least let's cheer the numbers. Hip hip for Boeing...
54 Stitch : Well history was written by the victors, so that should favor Airbus' view for 2011.
55 kanban : Paul when you do the final tabulation, please lock this and start the 2012 orders thread. I would prefer that it be limited to actuals (sales, MOU's a
56 Post contains links Stitch : It appears that HX did finally convert their MoU for the A380-800 into a firm order last week so they will show up in the final 2011 order tally. Hong
57 Post contains images ebbUK : It might be a PR stunt. Who knows?
58 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Boeing have announced their totals which can be discussed here; Boeing 2011 O&D Totals (by scbriml Jan 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) Of note, they dif
59 mffoda : I was having a little fun with some numbers from the Boeing and Airbus 2011 O&D pages and thought I'd share them with my fellow A-netters. The Boe
60 Cerecl : There must be a number missing in the unit price of the A32xneo. I think you meant million.
61 flood : $6.2 million reflects Airbus' pricing delta for the NEO... mffoda already accounted for the basic A320s seperately. You're right the total values are
62 Cerecl : Yes, I stand corrected.
63 Post contains images mffoda : Yes, thanks guys. And I continued the error with copy & paste...
64 Hamlet69 : Just as an add-on to the latest Boeing update: AirTran's 51 undelivered 73G's have now been transferred to Southwest, with the following conversion: T
65 mffoda : Ham, Where are you getting this Info above? edit... I mean were all of these previous ufo's now identified?[Edited 2012-01-08 14:12:47]
66 Hamlet69 : Running databases, comparing month-over-month changes of the orderbook based on Customer and dates of order. I'm not at home at the moment, so unfort
67 Post contains links india1 : Flightglobal reporst confirming of the HK 380 order: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...onfirms-order-for-10-a380s-366646/
68 jonathan-l : Any speculation as to whom the two 777Fs booked as unidentified by Boeing on Dec 15th are for?[Edited 2012-01-09 02:35:12]
69 someone83 : Airbud just released their December spreadsheet with the folowwing has been firmed up: Republic: A319: 20 A320: 60 Comlux: A321: 1 Intrepid Aviation G
70 Jack : New Airbus Cancellations: Etihad -6 A3510 Exec -1 A358, -5 A359, -2 A318 Others -2 A319,-29 A320 & -1 A321 and the American A321 neo order gone wi
71 someone83 : It's not gone, but it's not firmed yet. Leahy mentioned the AA order on the press conference saying it will likely be firmed at a later stage, but as
72 Focker : Any speculation on the 35 UFO?
73 frigatebird : So they've firmed their A380's, but not the 747-8i MoU. I'm starting to have even more doubts about these. Very surprising, I must admit. They ordere
74 Stitch : I wonder if they are behind the 8 frame UFO 77W order of 16 November? This assumes HX really is the customer. But hey, it took W3 years to firm their
75 Jack : The order first appeared in the July spreadsheet up until November. It is not in the December spreadsheet at all, not even as a cancellation. I guess
76 ebbuk : According to JL at the press conference this morning, it is all about ch11. Basically all contracts signed before ch11 are no longer legally binding.
77 india1 : Missed it then... did Boeing also not show the AA orders end of year or are they accounting for their share? Any difference in the way the orders were
78 Stitch : Boeing did record the 100 737-800s they ordered on 27-Jul-2011, which I believe was before they entered C11. The Bankruptcy Judge has also approved a
79 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I have to apologize. Just realized I got those reversed. It should be 8 for Shandong, 6 for Shenzhen. I'm truly, genuinely curious about this, as in
80 PM : I assume these are the planes ordered by MAZ Aviation in 2008.
81 someone83 : A lot of this has to do with accounting rules, and is probably why Airbus had to remove them as the contract isn't "sure enough" to have it in their
82 Post contains images ebbuk : @Hamlet69 reply 79 Well for the very fact that AA COULD have a contract nullified has prompted A to remove the order as a precaution. I don't know if
83 india1 : I asked this in a parallel thread - whats the difference between the A and B orders for one to be counted and not the other?
84 Stitch : Boeing has, but then they may be confident that their order will be approved since AA already has a large 737-800 fleet and has gained court approval
85 Post contains links and images flood : From their slide: http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/ho...?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=20291
86 PM : Ah, I never even looked at the slides. Thanks for the confirmation.
87 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Hmmmm. . . when I saw that slide, I was hoping it would answer a question I had updating databases with Airbus's new numbers. Unfortunately, it doesn
88 travelhound : An order is an order until it isn't an order. I'm not sure this is decision Boeing can make until such times ............
89 Jack : Below is a complete list of cancellations and model changes for the A320 family that I can see in December. Undisclosed -21 A320 Virgin America -1 A32
90 Post contains links someone83 : Boeing has confirmed Saudi Arabian Airlines as the customer for 8 777-300ER booked as UFOs in 2011 http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item
91 kanban : Paul, are you going to start up the 2012 orders thread soon?
92 Post contains links and images someone83 : I started a new thread just to get it started, but leave other to fill out all the blanks i left Airbus And Boeing Orders 2012 Part 1 (by someone83 J
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