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Delta To AKL?  
User currently offlinekiwinlondon From New Zealand, joined Dec 2011, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

With DL flying to SYD and with UA restarting AKL next year from IAH. Does anyone see any hope of DL serving AKL in the future, Maybe ATL/LAX - AKL - MEL/SYD/BNE?

Kiwinlondon

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User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 276 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11020 times:

The could possible operate a LAX-AKL-MEL flight as US carriers have traffic rights between NZ and Australia whereas operating a SYD-MEL tag as UA does they cannot pick up any passengers ex SYD. It would be nice to see another carrier into AKL.
I believe we may see HA operating HNL-AKL before we see DL though.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

I highly Delta it. Lol. But seriously I only see this happening if DL stops its direct Oz flights or if it's relationship with VA breaks down. The market will be pretty busy with UA entering it and NZ likely to add another North America destination with the 789.


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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10689 times:

UA can carry local traffic between SYD and MEL. I have taken it as a 'domestic' flight in Australia.
The problems for attracting the local traffic is that it is considered international for everything else. So passengers need to deal with an international flight within Australia. It is much more convenient to take Qantas or Virgin. Not to mention UA has 1 flight a day.
I took it because of a corporate ticket issue that did not allow me to take any Australian carrier.

UA at one time did not have the SYD tag but rather had the AKL-MEL as the routing to get to MEL.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10644 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 3):
UA can carry local traffic between SYD and MEL. I have taken it as a 'domestic' flight in Australia.

Since when? Last I knew, it was similar to US cabotage rules.



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10621 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 3):
UA can carry local traffic between SYD and MEL. I have taken it as a 'domestic' flight in Australia.

you cannot buy a ticket to Sydney from Melbourne with UA or vice versa.

The only scenario I can think of where you thought you were getting a domestic flight would have been a break in your UA schedule in SYD (LAX-SYD-MEL, stay in MEL, then MEL-SYD stayed in SYD, then boarded a few days later SYD-LAX).

it's the same with QF LAX-SYD-LAX. You can stopover in LAX on a return Australia-LAX-JFK ticket.

And on topic, I doubt DL would do well if they tagged on to MEL from AKL given their partner airline already flies non-stop - DL only need to fly 3-4 times a week on the days VA don't fly it to get a daily service LAX-MEL-LAX.


User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

How about ATL-HNL-AKL with a 767ER?   If HAL doesn't beat Delta to a HNL-AKL.

User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10467 times:

^ furthermore, the same thing could happen with DL and BNE. 2x 77Ls - one to MEL and one to BNE, daily services on VA/DL LAX-MEL and LAX-BNE and double daily services LAX-SYD (1 daily each). There's no DJ/VA domestic feed in NZ anymore and would rely solely on DJ/VA across the Tasman where DJ/VA are in bed with the incumbent - specifically on Trans Tasman flights and codesharing in each other's respective domicile, looking less and less likely.

User currently offlinedlnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2011, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 6):
How about ATL-HNL-AKL with a 767ER? If HAL doesn't beat Delta to a HNL-AKL.

Couldn't agree more, but I believe that HA will be in this market in 2-3 years. It's a risk, as the assumption of the NZD buying above US$0.65-0.70 is crucial if the Hawaiian Islands are to remain resurgent for New Zealanders as they have been in the past 2 years. The seasonality of demand and filling the J cabin would also be of concern to HA/DL or anyone else looking at the route.

I think this is far more likely for DL, as much as I would love to see them in AKL.....
Quoting tayser (Reply 5):
DL only need to fly 3-4 times a week on the days VA don't fly it to get a daily service LAX-MEL-LAX


User currently offlineb4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8357 times:

Quoting n901wa (Reply 6):
How about ATL-HNL-AKL with a 767ER?   If HAL doesn't beat Delta to a HNL-AKL.

For a long time, I have "armchaired" that route as well as:

HNL-SYD
HNL-MEL
HNL-TPE
HNL-AKL
HNL-CNS

DL could use their beloved 763 on the route. Was hoping to have seen this post NW.



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User currently offlinelax777lr From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

AKL is low yield relative to the corporate travel to SYD and MEL, so 1) business travelers to Oz don't want a stop and 2) low yield is tough to make work with a long-haul route. I don't see it happening.

User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7574 times:

If DL were to get the 787 (in the distant future) could DL pull off LAX-AKL-western Australia route?

Dave



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User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7525 times:

I can see Delta doing LAX-AKL-MEL, if their relationship breaks up with Virgin. Without Virgin, Delta would have to rely on their future ST partner AR from AKL to SYD. ST is the weakest alliance in Oceania and I hope Virgin Australia joins ST.


brad Fitzpatrick
User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1606 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting tayser (Reply 5):
The only scenario I can think of where you thought you were getting a domestic flight would have been a break in your UA schedule in SYD (LAX-SYD-MEL, stay in MEL, then MEL-SYD stayed in SYD, then boarded a few days later SYD-LAX).

The only other possibility I can think of would be if he flew UA intra-Australia immediately after the Ansett shutdown.


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7372 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 12):
I hope Virgin Australia joins ST.

With NZ now holding a big stake in VA i highly doubt we will see VA join sky team more likely Star ,



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7171 times:

There was a article in the Australian newspaper a few weeks ago where Borghetti stated that any additional flights to Australia does not have to be by Virgin, as Delta can operate those flights.Apparently talks are continuing in regards to this and he stated watch this space.

The inference was that not just Sydney but Brisbane and Melbourne could also be in line for Delta flights.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6950 times:

would they make it work is the 100$ question , Daily with QF A332 and twice a day with NZ 77W plus the option of of FJ through NADI,


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Delta does have on its radar a future ATL-AKL service as well as both BNE and MEL...so John Borghetti is right - watch this space  


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User currently offlineQFA380SYD From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

I think that Delta would make more money by going LAX-SYD-AKL. If they did LAX-AKL-SYD they would loss demand and money because who want's to stop over at AKL when you can go direct from LAX-SYD.
I also think that Delta could make more money on LAX-BNE or LAX-MEL.
But it would another 5 years or so before they operate into AKL. Also remember that Delta just got into the North American Australasia route 2 years ago.


User currently offlineQFA380SYD From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

I think that Delta would make more money by going LAX-SYD-AKL. If they did LAX-AKL-SYD they would loss demand and money because who want's to stop over at AKL when you can go direct from LAX-SYD.
I also think that Delta could make more money on LAX-BNE or LAX-MEL.
But it would another 5 years or so before they operate into AKL. Also remember that Delta just got into the North American Australasia route 2 years ago.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

What about ATL-AKL-SYD-ATL? Competitive boost in face of QF to DFW, competitive advantage by beating UA out of IAH and potential to connect efficiently out of AKL with VA flights.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5563 times:
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I think possibly ATL-AKL-MEL/SYD/BNE would work. If NZ can carry plenty of Australian passengers via AKL then I can't see why DL couldn't on either VA or DL aircraft

User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5549 times:
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I could be wrong, but I just don't see it as a sufficiently interesting route for DL. I would expect them in BNE or MEL before AKL. There just isn't that much of a market, and I would think that there must be a lot of routes where they could get a better return on their investment.


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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Quoting dlnz (Reply 8):
The seasonality of demand and filling the J cabin would also be of concern to HA/DL or anyone else looking at the route.

This would be less of a problem for Hawaiian - their A330s are configured 18F276Y and their B763s are 18F235Y or 18F252Y. The configuration of Delta's aircraft are more premium-heavy, for example the internationally configured B763 has 30 Business/31 Economy Comfort/143 Economy. Given those numbers and the nature of the market, I think HA is in a better position to make money on HNL-AKL.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

I'm an optimist when it comes to airlines to AKL and being realistic I think DL is a good chance of flying to AKL from ATL or LAX.

ATL-AKL would give competition to UA's new IAH-AKL and QF DFW service while also taking pax away from LAX for those travelling from the Eastern US. This would be a 77L service and could connect to DJ's Tasman services.

LAX-AKL. Remember UA flew this route for years along with NZ and QF all being 744s for years, they gave it up in a deal with NZ to stop LAX-SYD at the same time, NZ have since added SFO and YVR services taking some of the slack from the reduction in LAX flights. QF these days don't seem to do aswell with AKL-LAX and now fly A332s. DL could fly this route with a 77E or a 744 the former more likely, I don't believe their A332s would be capable, QF's struggle and are more capable then DL's I believe.

As for DL to MEL and BNE, from what I gather DL will soon replace VA on LAX-MEL (not officially announced yet) with a 77L, with SYD to possibly get 744s when they are upgraded with VA's 77W used to increase BNE-LAX.

I think HA are a good chance to serve AKL aswell which will open up new 1 stop options to some destinations in the US plus the AKL-HNL market seems to be growing again slowly with NZ adding albeit seasonal capacity.


25 Post contains images tayser : ....argh Virgin Australia has an codeshare/revenue/schedule/whatever agreement with Air New Zealand for Trans Tasman. Virgin Australia has an codesha
26 Flyingsottsman : Yeah that stopped when UA pulled out of AKL mid 2000s I think and went back to make MEL a tag on to the SYD flight. I cant see DL comming to MEL but
27 b4real : No way, if LAX-SYD is full; why add a tag-on? Now, if the route removes lower fare buckets to SYD for higher through fares to AKL; yeah sure. Do the
28 qf002 : I agree it's an issue, but surely it's easy to get around. The flights don't need to have DL's code on them, so it would be as simple as the passenge
29 qf002 : It should do. The longest routes today are pretty short considering it's capabilities, and it would be in the top 5 longest flights by distance. Shou
30 b4real : "ONLY" LOL!!!
31 MPDPilot : Going off of Boeings Detailed Technical Data, it would have to take a 15,000lb weight penalty on the SYD-ATL leg, though due to enroute winds that ma
32 DL747400 : DL services to BNE and MEL were under active consideration even prior to the inaugural LAX-SYD flights. Had it not been for the economic turmoil sinc
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