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Popularity Of European CO/UA 752 Layovers  
User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

I'm not sure we have any active ex CO, now UA 757 crew on these boards but there's this questions I've been wondering about for the longest time: With the exception of LHR and CDG (sorry AMS, BRU and FRA), CO/UA flies their 757s into a lot of secondary or tertiary markets in Europe most of which don't have very much to offer to tourists, especially if you have to go there more than once. So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc. when there are so many more interesting layovers to be had as EWR-based ex-CO crew?

Which suggests wondering, what are the most sought-after layovers for said CO 757 crew ex EWR?

[Edited 2011-12-11 18:52:01]


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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Quoting something (Thread starter):
Sp how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc. when there are so many more interesting layovers to be had as EWR-based ex-CO crew?

None of those places sound bad to me! But it is a good question. I imagine they attract people with a decent amount of seniority, but not enough to hold flights to Asia/India/Israel. I can't imagine they are "unpopular" flights just because they are secondary European destinations.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9799 times:

Well at EK, they always have new recruits who haven't been to all stations yet, people who have personal attachments to various cities etc. but there is definitely no shortage of them in their internal swap-shop. It's really tricky to get a SYD, SFO, JFK, CDG or LON flight (despite there being 8 daily), but you can have a DUS, MAN, ACC etc. anytime you like.

And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow, when they could have been in Paris, London or Los Angeles (assuming, that is in fact a layover for them).



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9720 times:

Contrary to popular opinion, airline layovers cease to be about the destination after your first few trips. 'Airline people' can have a blast anywhere... It's all about the pay. The 757 trips are popular with crews because they are mostly 3 day trips for reasonably high time. For pilots, the 757s can run fairly junior, so lower seniority pilots can snag some decent trips with minimal time away from base.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
Paris

757 destination.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
London

757 destination.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
Los Angeles

99% of European 757 destinations have more to see than LA (sorry Angelenos  ).


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN,

I imagine CPH and possibly SNN are pretty popular.

Quoting something (Reply 2):
And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow,

There are other factors too, at least for pilots. If the 757 pilots make their flights mostly to Europe, even the "unattractive" destinations, they get their hours quicker and get more days off for the month. I'd imagine that for a lot of them more time at home trumps even the best layover cities.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
Quoting something (Reply 2):
Paris

757 destination.
Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
Quoting something (Reply 2):
London

757 destination.

I know, that's why they could be there, instead of in Glasgow, Manchester or Shannon. Lisbon is also pretty nice.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
Contrary to popular opinion, airline layovers cease to be about the destination after your first few trips. 'Airline people' can have a blast anywhere... It's all about the pay. The 757 trips are popular with crews because they are mostly 3 day trips for reasonably high time. For pilots, the 757s can run fairly junior, so lower seniority pilots can snag some decent trips with minimal time away from base.

Layovers are always good to increase your salary, but you don't make less money on a LHR than on a SNN layover. Unless of course, your stay at either destination is longer which I wouldn't know, but don't suppose to be.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

Quoting something (Reply 5):
Layovers are always good to increase your salary,

They really don't, that per diem might not be taxable but you aren't making your car payments on it! It's all about the block time. That's why the most important metric is paid time vs. time away from base. 3 day Europe turns are reasonably good for this.


User currently offlineletsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Actually, most of the U.K. trips are the least senior. Most senior crews would rather fly to the German, Italian, and Spanish destinations. (More block hours and better layovers)

User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9062 times:

most of my layovers (overnights) are spent catching up with family and friends.... after you have been to a destination 214 times ( no joke thats my SYD over nights) then there is nothing to see or do, so i jump in a car and drive north for 2 hrs, catch up with friends and family.
In some other ports, where alot of your friends that fly with you out of your base are overnighting, it usually turns into drinks in the hotel bar, followed by a 0300 walk to the nearest maccas or burger king.
There is only so much to see and do at a destination. Sometimes i catch up on shoping, like i need to buy coffee because i have nothing else to do.
But most of my firends i fly with, use over nights for seeing family and friends, and bid accordingly or swap trips with other flight attendants accordingly.
The same destination gets boring after about the 4th time....
I go to SYD for the 3rd time this month already and its only the 12th...... i plan on sleeping and not leaving the hotel!



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9006 times:
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To see evidence pay and hours matter more than the destination, look at BRU. When all UA did was IAD-BRU, the flight wasn't more or less senior than any other TATL, but since UA took over the EWR route from CO and the crew is routed IAD-BRU-EWR-BRU-IAD, every flight is staffed with grannies and grandpas.


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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8980 times:

Quoting something (Reply 2):
And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow, when they could have been in Paris, London

Glasgow short of attractions? Have you ever been to Glasgow? Or Manchester? As a Mancunian I'd concede that Glasgow's possibly slightly more interesting with its Charles Rennie Mackintosh heritage, but the two are packed full of things to do and see and both attract millions upon millions of foreign tourists.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4107 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8947 times:

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc. when there are so many more interesting layovers to be had as EWR-based ex-CO crew?

I'm sorry, but this sounds like a classic case of "London (or Paris) centricty" to me.

HAM and CPH are large, major European Cities with dozens of attractions in and around them.

SNN is in the middle of one of the most Beautiful parts of Ireland, with tonnes of amazingly beautiful places with a short drive.

MAN and GLA - two of the UK's best good time towns!

Only somebody culturally stunted would want to go to London and Paris all the time.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 10):
Have you ever been to Glasgow? Or Manchester?

I have been to almost all of these cities and as I said.. they're okay to visit once, maybe twice, but they're all just not very spectacular places. Nothing against any of these places, really, and I'm sure the people there are great. It's just that I can think of a great number of cities (be it Paris, London, Rome, Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Venice, ...) that are just vastly more interesting from a tourist-standpoint.

I also don't know if there are any layovers for CO/UA 757 crew in the Caribbean/Central America, which I'd also prefer to visit. It might be a personal preference, but I'd find it hard to believe I'm the only one who thinks that way.



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

Quoting something (Reply 12):
I have been to almost all of these cities and as I said.. they're okay to visit once, maybe twice, but they're all just not very spectacular places. Nothing against any of these places, really, and I'm sure the people there are great. It's just that I can think of a great number of cities (be it Paris, London, Rome, Lisbon, Madrid, Barcelona, Nice, Venice, ...) that are just vastly more interesting from a tourist-standpoint.

Absolutely, and nobody's having a go. It's just such a hugely subjective point; not that I want to denigrate any other city, but personally I wouldn't be disappointed if I never went to London or Paris ever again! I'd never get bored with Berlin, Munich, Los Angeles or Glasgow....

P.S. Nobody's mentioned Birmingham. I love it!

[Edited 2011-12-12 03:27:56]

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4107 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 13):
It's just such a hugely subjective point

Exactly! I was shocked that the OP included CPH and HAM in the list as they are two of my top 5 cities in Europe.

In addition, CO and DL really have a wide choice of destinations in Europe - and it would take you quite some time before you got through all of them. Additionally, it's typical now to get just a one night trip, so you would never really get to see any destination fully on a single trip.



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User currently offlineletsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

The U K trips are staffed are staffed with mostly junior fas and reserves. HAM.TXL,STR,MUC AMS, ZRH, MAD, etc. go alot more senior. The most senior trips are the long haul trips to India, China ,Tel Aviv, etc.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 6):
They really don't, that per diem might not be taxable but you aren't making your car payments on it!

Sadly, I know a lot of onboard crews that try to...

Quoting something (Reply 12):
that are just vastly more interesting from a tourist-standpoint.

These folks aren't tourists anymore. They've been to the Tate Modern and the Louvre. They've visited the Tower of London and the Eiffel Tower.

When it comes down to truly enjoying a place - beyond its tourist attractions - I have way more fun in the cities you don't seem to like. The people are friendly and approachable, the food tasty and accessible, and the stress level much lower.

NS


User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN

If I can find plenty of things to do in places like IND, MSP and CMH...I'm sure there's plenty of interesting things to do in those cities.


User currently offlineletsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

You have to realize that this is job and not a vacation. You want to make the most amount of money in the least amount of time. Most FAs don't like long layovers, especially in expensive touresty cities. Once you have seen Big Ben or the Eifel Tower you are over it. Give me a comfortable hotel room and good meal with a nice glass of wine or beer , and I'm happy.

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

GLA is actually one of the favoured "layovers"

User currently offlinecoewrcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

By leaps and bounds, UK layovers on the 757 are the junior trips out of EWR because they're less lucrative. They tend to be the most fun, however, because the crews are younger and more inclined to venture out of the hotel for dinner, drinks, sightseeing, etc. With the exception of LHR, they're the easiest trips to work because the clientele is friendly and well mannered. Of all the UK/Ireland flying, I would guess that EDI and DUB tend to be the most sought after trips.

As for the rest of Europe, OSL, CPH, ARN and BCN(cruise passengers) are difficult markets and horrible to work in the main cabin. Unlike UA, we at CO bid not only for the destination city but also the position we work on the aircraft, so Business Galley is the most sought after position typically because there's essentially NO customer interaction. STR, TXL, and HAM would be the most senior 757 trips.

Personally, LIS and BFS are my 2 favorite...


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
'Airline people' can have a blast anywhere... It's all about the pay.

x1000

With the exception of Lagos, it really seems to be about pay and not the destination. A high time trip is always going to go more senior, even if the destination is unpopular. I know I can have fun anywhere, and I love the 757 trips with a smaller, more junior crew.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Indeed once you have a nice crew you can have a good time anywhere! At my airline and I am quite new I have had a decent night in ACC and have friends who have had great trips to LAD and NBO. Don't like Tokyo tough to expensive! Had LAS last week, pretty wild when you have a big crew!

User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

I have heard from friends at CO (now UA) EWR-based crew, that the EWR-LIM and the EWR-SJO (when they have the 757 scheduled) are pretty popular too... SJO is 5 hrs and LIM is 8hrs from EWR, very decent layovers and the same fly hours as the short TATL routes... Interesting!


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

Quoting something (Thread starter):
So how dreaded are the 757-layovers at HAM, CPH, SNN, GLA, MAN, etc

Why would you dread any of those cities (other than MAN, which is merely ok and could result in forced radiation and virtual strip searching)?

Quoting something (Reply 2):
And I've just always been wondering if CO crew don't feel a little let down, having to spend their 10th layover in Glasgow, when they could have been in Paris, London or Los Angeles (assuming, that is in fact a layover for them).

LAX is a layover for CO crews, but its a harder one to go out and do something.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):

99% of European 757 destinations have more to see than LA (sorry Angelenos &nbsp Wink.

Uh, wrong.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 16):
The people are friendly and approachable, the food tasty and accessible, and the stress level much lower.

And the prices tend to be lower, which is good for someone on a flight attendant's wages.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 23):
I have heard from friends at CO (now UA) EWR-based crew, that the EWR-LIM and the EWR-SJO (when they have the 757 scheduled) are pretty popular too... SJO is 5 hrs and LIM is 8hrs from EWR, very decent layovers and the same fly hours as the short TATL routes... Interesting!

EWR-SJO would be a same-day turn, no?



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25 tff : From the cultural interest point of view, I couldn't agree more.[Edited 2011-12-12 09:41:07][Edited 2011-12-12 09:42:27]
26 coewrcrew : LIM is definitely a senior trip out of EWR. Unfortunately though it's in the EWR domestic base, so I haven't flown it since the Int'l base lost it abo
27 GT4EZY : I think the OP probably is looking at things very much from the perspective of a tourist. Airline crews generally, though not exclusively, like trips
28 chepos : At the US East side of the house because we have a limited International network, most TATL flights go senior (in the winter). The Caribbean turns out
29 ewr767 : ham/arn/str/lis/are some of the hardest trips to get for flight attendants...they are senior for one reason or another..free breakfast in arn/str pays
30 ewr767 : also....anything in the uk is not preferred or senior...doesnt pay as much and its on the pound...
31 B777LRF : I suppose you've never actually been to CPH, HAM and MAN. CPH, in particular, is a very sought after tourist destination, and has as much to offer as
32 Post contains images SHAQ : What's the point of being a flight attendant if you don't want to interact with customers Anyway, does CO crews like laying over in LHR and CDG?
33 coewrcrew : It's just nice to be out of the aisle every so often. The overwhelming majority of our job centers around customer interaction. As for LHR and CDG tr
34 JQflightie : I can sometimes do a 25minute flight SYD-CBR and then have a 27hr 'layover' there.
35 ewr767 : lhr is not popular at all...if you staying downtown london the van ride is like 1 hour minimum...30 of which sometimes is getting out of the airport i
36 ewr767 : as far as the question of whats the point of being a fa if you don't wanna deal with people....hello, sometimes you need and want a break from dealing
37 letsgetwet : That's not productive at all. You'll never pay the rent doing trips like that!
38 EWRCabincrew : As an ex-COn and NTA (in-house term for our EWR, international crew base) crew member, I can help answer this. Popular trips tend to be money driven,
39 JQflightie : Our contracts work different to those flight attendants around the world... 27hrs on a domestic route is a good slip time. i just did a trip, Sign-On
40 B777LRF : I am perfectly aware of that, it was in response to the OP claiming there's not much to do in Copenhagen. Which is as far from the truth as it can po
41 Post contains images laca773 : Thank you! I appreciate your thoughts and honesty about this. Flying is definitely not what it used to be. People are disgusting pigs! Period! The da
42 CO 757-300 : what about for pilots? since the 752/767 crews are the same, i'd imagine the more senior guys are flying the longer legs such as EWR-HNL, GRU, ATH, FC
43 Post contains images windshear : Heeeeeey that's rude!
44 GEN2STEW : I agree, after a while it is just about the money, something to eat, and a good nights rest...
45 Max Q : As already stated, it's all about seniority, the longer trips allow you to build more hours in fewer days giving you more time off, in addition the 76
46 chumley : I flew OSL-EWR this summer on CO and spoke briefly with the FA during a mid-flight stretch/walk to the galley. When I asked her how she likes flying t
47 nycdave : Wow -- shocked at the OP's taste in cities! I believe BER is a 757 flight, too, and there's hardly a more fun and exciting city on the globe! Also, my
48 nws2002 : I think I'm in the minority, but I like working the 757. Compared with the 767 passengers seem to prefer them. Especially with the new business class
49 letsgetwet : A 3 day trip is a 24 hour layover. After sleeping and eating, it's hardly a vacation. I don't get why people think we have so much time for fun stuff
50 Mats : Some of the EWR-CDG flights are six-day trips: EWR-CDG-IAD-CDG-EWR. I spoke with my CDG-EWR crew about this last week. They said it was mixed bag: ver
51 Max Q : Sometimes a shorter layover can provide more rest than a longer one. Arriving in Sao Paulo we are all very tired, I for one have no problem sleeping
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