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New CX W And Y Details  
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

No pics yet, but details have been made public today by Cathay Pacific. Both look to be pretty much identical to every other product out there at the moment. Inclusion of WIFI is a nice addition.

See reports by Bloomberg and AusBT.

Hopefully there will be some pics soon!

Edit -- to add link to the Cathay Pacific Press Release

[Edited 2011-12-12 00:57:59]

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User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Interesting that only the A330 and 77W will be getting the new Y -- the 747 and A340 will still be fitted with those awful fixed-shell torture devices that CX likes to call seats.

Yet the Y+ will be rolled out across the whole long-haul fleet...a rather strange decision from an airline that wants (wanted?) to provide a consistent product.

I can only hope that the Y+ will be affordable.



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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

with three of CX's 333s flying to MEL everyday, QF can kiss more business away. That is of course if both of them wake the hell up and start co-operating with each other.

User currently offlineQF340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Great news!

I really like to try the Premium Eco offer when its rolled out on the HKG-SIN route... It sounds very nice, guess its similar to the QF one... or not?

As for the new economy seat - lets see what it will be like, but it doesnt surprise me that the A340-300 and the B747-400 dont get it... they are on the way out, but on the other hand they still fly a lot longhaul routes and the new seats would have been good for longhaul eco passengers to FRA or AMS for instance...


User currently offlineflythere From Hong Kong, joined May 2010, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

There is indeed a big differentiation between the new W and Y.

No matter on ground or in the air, CX's W is literally a class over current Y in terms of services and hardware, while many other airlines the differentiation is merely more legroom.

At the same time, there is still a large gap between J and W as CX has set another industry level of new long-haul J, which they can leverage on without cannibalizing.

So much work ongoing for CX in this couple of years!


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9240 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting qf002 (Thread starter):
Hopefully there will be some pics soon!

I had the opportunity to see the new premium economy seats several months back, I would describe them are being similar to what was known today as the regional business class. Nice looking seat, and very comfortable IMHO.

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 1):
Interesting that only the A330 and 77W will be getting the new Y

That was the plan for a while, I am not sure of the regional 777s and A330s are due to get the new Y class either.

Quoting QF340500 (Reply 3):
As for the new economy seat - lets see what it will be like, but it doesnt surprise me that the A340-300 and the B747-400 dont get it... they are on the way out

Correct, a cabin reconfiguration is a large investment, and it not something you want to install on an aircraft you are about to sell or return to a lease company just for competitors to get their hands on the same product.

Quoting tayser (Reply 2):
with three of CX's 333s flying to MEL everyday, QF can kiss more business away.

CX has been fairly consistent in terms of percentage of the market of passenger travelling internationally over the years, the QF group on the other hand kept almost the same number of passengers flying while the market size has increased.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting QF340500 (Reply 3):
guess its similar to the QF one... or not?

I would guess so as well... Similar specs and from what has been said it sounds like they're going for a significant leap in service from Y, without wanting to take the edge from J.

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
I had the opportunity to see the new premium economy seats several months back, I would describe them are being similar to what was known today as the regional business class. Nice looking seat, and very comfortable IMHO.

Nice. What sort of materials were used -- still using the silver plastic/leather style or moving in the same direction as new J with the creme plastic/green fabric?


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2694 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
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Quoting BreninTW (Reply 1):
Interesting that only the A330 and 77W will be getting the new Y -- the 747 and A340 will still be fitted with those awful fixed-shell torture devices that CX likes to call seats.

I'm not surprised. The 744 and A343 aren't getting the new business class, so I fail to see why they would put the new Y class in it as well considering that both types are on their way out of CX's fleet.

And incidentally I like the fixed shell seats. Based on the wording of CX's press release, I have a feeling that the new Y will still be 'fixed shell' in principle, which is great.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Honestly it's a bit disappointing.... 38" pitch and 2-4-2 on 77W is just par for the course, not anything outstanding like NZ's or QF's new Y+

Let's just hope they price them properly.... many airlines, especially the japanese ones, charges close to "business minus" and wonder why demand is so low that they have to start dropping Y+ service


User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
Honestly it's a bit disappointing.... 38" pitch and 2-4-2 on 77W is just par for the course, not anything outstanding like NZ's or QF's new Y+

I've just looked and Qantas have 2-3-2 on A380 and 2-4-2 on 744's for Y+ with an average seat pitch of 38" (higher in selected seats near bulkhead and exit seats). CX is offering the same seat pitch with a layout of 2-3-2 on A330's (comparable to upper deck of A380) and 2-4-2 on 77W/744's. The width of the seats are only 0.7cm wider on QF. Screens and entertainment integration on CX's Y+ will be a larger screen as well as ipod/iphone integration.

I would agree with you that it's nothing as outstanding as Air NZ's, however I would say that it's as competitive as QF's, so I myself am not disappointed by their offering. CX has an average load factor of over 80%, I'm sure this class will be a huge success. If people are looking for more, there is always Business Class!



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User currently offlinetheobcman From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 1):

You are absolutely correct. The Y seats on CX B744 are AWFUL !! If I need to run to HKG from LHR for work I will avoid CX now where possible.
Lets have some 77W replacements please. There were coming in a while ago but seem to have gone now.


User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1625 times:

Two excellent - albeit late - moves by CX; one to correct a mistake that should have never been made in the first place, and another one to, well, correct a mistake that should have never been made in the first place either!  

The positioning of the new W class seemingly about one-third of the way between Economy and Business appears to be a great move, making the offering being more of an Economy Plus (no reference to the UA product intended) than a Business Minus - enabling CX to position it as an affordable upgrade from Y while minimizing encroachment upon their (newly revamped) J product. From a revenue management standpoint, it will be a better place to upgrade elites to, and a great way for all FFs to redeem or upgrade to with miles. Or for everyone else to consider simply paying a little bit more for many extra little perks that all add up nicely to a better in-flight experience.

And refreshing to hear that they're labeling it straightforwardly as Premium Economy, and not something un-decipherable like Club World, Premium Laurel / Voyageur etc.

How interesting that the older long-haul subfleets - which are getting no other updates - are indeed getting the new W cabin. I suppose it's easy enough to just retrofit a small piece of the cabin on those, as opposed to making other more extensive revampson a plane that may be due for retirement in just a few years.


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