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Newspaper: Lack Of Pilot Proficiency At TK  
User currently onlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3235 times:

Danish newspaper Politiken has been interviewing 13 foreign pilots who in the last year has worked for Turkish Airlines. They are appalled by many of the Turkish pilots in Turkish Airlines, according to their opinion speak lousy English and are so poorly trained that they find it difficult to fly planes without the help of the autopilot.

Here's a link to the article (Danish - use google translate)
http://politiken.dk/udland/ECE147603...-turkish-airline-piloter-taler-ud/

And the other articles in the series:
http://politiken.dk/erhverv/ECE14761...loter-slaar-alarm-over-flyselskab/

The CEO of TK replies:
http://politiken.dk/udland/ECE147631...er-gennemgaar-faerdighedstraening/

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I have gone quickly over the translation of the first article as Google Translate didn't do it's job so well.

Interviews: Horrified Turkish Airline pilots speak out

Politiken.dk brings you excerpts from interviews with 13 terrified pilots.

They are appalled by many of the Turkish pilots in Turkish Airlines, according to their opinion speak lousy English and are so poorly trained that they find it difficult to fly planes without the help of the autopilot.

The foreign pilots come from six different countries. They do not want to get their name out of fear of being fired and branded as 'tattlers'.

Here are excerpts of what the 13 foreign pilots says:

"I have flown with several captains who could not other English than" left "," right "," climb "," Descend "and" no problem "('left', 'right', 'go up', 'go down 'and' no problem ', ed.)'.

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"Many of the Turkish pilots are what we call robot pilots. They can not even speak into the microphone without reading the manual. "

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"Turkish Airlines pilots are notorious for their poor English wherever they go. It is embarrasing to arrive with a Turkish Airlines machine in a foreign airport. "

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"We are desperate not being able to get in contact with our leadership. They do not listen to us. "

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"I flew a night to a city in Turkey. It was windy, there was some thunder and rain. Ugly, but no great challenge for an experienced pilot. I let the co-pilot fly to the city, and when we got there it started raining and the wind blew much. We had to make a special approach, so we walked away from autopilot to manual skills for them to take more responsibility for terrain, etc. We had to calculate on and walk around the runway. It's a perfectly normal way, as they train in simulator, but almost never try. We had too much tailwind, and the co-pilot did not want to fly yourself. The only real alternative was to go around the track, so I said I would guide him, so he got the training, it has been necessary as a pilot. I could feel that he would rather see if the wind kept within limits, so we could land right on and not have to do the maneuver. We made the maneuver, and he flew around and landed taxiede into. I asked if he had been allowed it if he had flown with a Turkish captain. That he laughed. I'm used to that there are two pilots in the cockpit of a flight, and both are always up to date, so they both can perform maneuvers and fly '.

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"I flew with one that could not speak English at all. We could not talk. He was captain, and that's not ok. As long as things go well, it is ok, but if you have a problem, it's not working, so you have to talk beyond the standard phrases. The problem also happens when they express a message in English about what is wrong or need help. It's a bit of a problem in general. "

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"If you can not communicate with your co-pilot, you have to do it all yourself. I flew to a city in Africa and back from seven evening to seven in the morning with someone who did not speak a word of English. He introduced himself with "excuse me sir, my english, very little."

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"During a flight to a European city, I asked the co-pilot stay away from radio. We had to go down to 4,000 feet, and air traffic control said "go down and when you pass 5,000 feet, then turn left '. He repeated the order as: "Turn left and go down to 4,000 '. He took it well, for he knew his English is bad. "

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"Many of the Turkish pilots contend with a very basic language level. The floundering in the figures and the corresponding traffic control incorrectly. For example, they exchange numbers 2 and 3, so I've had several mates who got permission to go down to 2,300 feet, but swapped it around to 3,200 feet. One time I was on his way to a European city. Co-pilot flew, and I handled the radio, but he misunderstood the order, reversed the numbers and turned too early. V began to turn 45 degrees before I got back. The air traffic controller asked, "Turkish Airlines, where you going? '. That kind of happens quite often. "


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User currently offlinegabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

If true that's really worrying.
I flew with TK from MAN to IST and return, the flights were uneventful and I really enjoyed their service, the english of the cabin crew were good and I even remember the captain speaking to us and although with an accent is was more than correct and clear in both flights. I must say that I don felt unsafe at all flying with them.


User currently onlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting gabo787 (Reply 1):
the english of the cabin crew were good and I even remember the captain speaking to us and although with an accent is was more than correct and clear in both flights. I must say that I don felt unsafe at all flying with them.

They probably were. I am going to be flying TK to HKG myself in a few weeks and I am sure the service and experience will be great.

But this article talks more of an issue with cockpit culture, which results in the FO not getting the proper training. Both pilots should have up-to-date flying skills. The FO should also be able to contest possible wrong actions taken by the Captain. As a passenger you wouldn't have a clue if just the captain had the appropriate flying or English skills.

Quoting gabo787 (Reply 1):
If true that's really worrying

The statements are made by pilots who are or have been employed at TK. And they are back up by an aviation safety consultant, Nuri Sakarya (from TK).

http://www.internethostingplan.com/p...he-alarm-over-europe-best-airline/



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