Alsatian From France, joined May 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
Hello,
According to goldenflyer.fr Lufthansa and Gerwanwings will coordinate their flights. Stuttgart will be the first airport to see this changes. All european flights ex-STR will be operated by Germanwings including the LHR route from February.
steman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1278 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
Very unusual to have a low cost arm serve LHR.
And I still don´t get the point of such a short flight like STR-FRA
By train is 1 hour. By plane it can´t be much shorter!
LH sells seats on Deutsche Bahn trains ex FRA, for example to Köln,
I don´t see why can´t they do the same to STR, thus preserving the hub-feeding purpose
of such route.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7838 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2753 times:
Quoting steman (Reply 1): By train is 1 hour. By plane it can´t be much shorter!
LH sells seats on Deutsche Bahn trains ex FRA, for example to Köln,
I don´t see why can´t they do the same to STR, thus preserving the hub-feeding purpose
They do the same from STR, time is 111 to 113 minutes but many passengers do not originate in the city center, for many the airport is much closer than the central station and therefore the flights sare needed. Once STR21 is completed and the airpoirt has its own ICE station the flights will become obsolete,
r2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2274 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter): All european flights ex-STR will be operated by Germanwings including the LHR route from February.
For the summer season from Stuttgart :
Or to put it short - all hub & focus city flying done by LH, all p2p flying done by 4U. Makes sense, and was expected. 4U has also entered Miles&More recently. It's similar to what IB is already doing with Vueling.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
I just read up on this, trying to figure out how things like check bags, seat reservation, meals etc. will work out and couldn't find an answer to it. I did however read that STR is just the beginning.
Lufthansa will focus on the biggest airports (HAM, BER, DUS, FRA, MUC), 4U will be the sole operator at medium sized airports (HAJ, CGN, STR, possibly more) and EW will be the only carrier at the remaining, smaller stations. Couldn't find what LH Cityline, Augsburg Airways and Air Dolomiti are going to look like after this remodelling process, but if Contact Air at STR is any indication, then subcontracts (for Augsburg) will not be renewed.
My thoughts exactly. For a O&D market STR-FRA is much better served with the ICE, but that's not always the case.
I hope 4U can pick up the network remains (and crews) that C3 is going to leave behind at STR. There was a thread here not too long ago about Contact Air leaving LH Regional (confirmed for Oct. 2012), which would certainly mean bancruptcy and unemploying 90 people.
For what it's worth, I'm very fond of 4U picking up LH's thin domestic and european routes. I for sure hope it's going to come with decreased fares, cost structure at 4U is by far not as complex as with LH.
Does that come with an expansion plan for 4U and possibl
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PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7838 posts, RR: 27 Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
I just saw that I made a mistake with the ICE transit time, STR city central station to FRA airport station are of course 71 resp 73 minutes. When the airport ICE station is ready add some 10 to 15 minutes to that, flying won't be competetive.
Quoting Semaex (Reply 7): For what it's worth, I'm very fond of 4U picking up LH's thin domestic and european routes
If they get just the ptp routes and offer something similar to the LH service? Remains to be seen.
Semaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 773 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8): If they get just the ptp routes and offer something similar to the LH service? Remains to be seen.
Unlikely, AFAIK they still do BOB and crews have to clean up the a/c after each leg themselves which probably means a more stressed out F/A any day.
But I am willing to accept that for short hops if the price is right, and if we are to trust LH management decision, the majority of pax will too.
It's an interesting move on LH's behalf, and we just have to sit back and see how it's going to work out. What's the old saying? If Lufthansa can't do it, noone can
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Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3586 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
This is interesting. I have some questions though... what about the routes that LH served with smaller aircraft that 4U's A319s? (Embraer) Will they be upgraded yet? Also, what about the connecting premium passengers?
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Semaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 773 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1711 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 10): This is interesting. I have some questions though... what about the routes that LH served with smaller aircraft that 4U's A319s? (Embraer) Will they be upgraded yet? Also, what about the connecting premium passengers?
I think you might have answered that question by yourself already.
Intercontinental connecting pax will want to fly LH, even on thinner routes. So I can totally see the Embraers deployed on multiple FRA-MUC, FRA-DUS or FRA-BER connections, or for keeping it simple, anything premium ex FRA at times of the day that don't require A32x/733
Besides, looking at the markets that are mentioned by the OP, 4U won't be handling a lot of premium traffic anyways, if we take LHR as an exception.
Does anyone have statistics on how premium-heavy STR is?
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luckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1656 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1449 times:
Quoting something (Reply 12): 4U are actually two-class configured aircraft.
Could you elaborate on that, please? Are they two-class in the sense of most European short-haul, whereby some seats are convertible? When I flew Germanwings the A319 was configured with a single class in a single cabin. Nothing on their website indicates multiple classes.
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
Quoting luckyone (Reply 13): Could you elaborate on that, please? Are they two-class in the sense of most European short-haul, whereby some seats are convertible? When I flew Germanwings the A319 was configured with a single class in a single cabin. Nothing on their website indicates multiple classes.
I don't know if you understand German or how good a job Google Translate will do, but that's where I got it from
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