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KL Axing AMS-LPL  
User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

It appears that KL are axing AMS-LPL from the end of the Winter season.


Proud to fly from Manchester!
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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

I must try to fly the F70 (never flown that machine before) that's utilised on that route with fares from just £39 one-way.


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User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9322 times:

What's your source? It would be a shame if it were true.


If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much.
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9304 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
I must try to fly the F70 (never flown that machine before) that's utilised on that route with fares from just £39 one-way.

Getting on one this Saturday LHR AMS  


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5218 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 2):
What's your source? It would be a shame if it were true.

Yes, I would like to see a source as well. Altough I can believe it will happen with MAN just nextdoor. There are plenty of places in Europe that require a 2 hour train ride or car journey to get to an International airport. Is easyjet still flying LPL-AMS multiple times a day? That would be enough for pure O&D I guess.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8861 times:
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Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 2):
What's your source?

from their facebook page:

From March 25, 2012, KLM will discontinue its service to Liverpool. Unfortunately this route has not been profitable, and given the current economic situation we have decided to stop the operation.

(you have to look for a Mike Whitney post and that's the response)


User currently offlinekwi From Kuwait, joined Apr 2000, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

There's an article in the latest issue ot Business Traveller Magazine that talks about the links AMS has with the UK airports (esp the ones outside London). I think it was a spokesperson from Liverpool Airport who mentioned the importance of the KLM flight as it was vital for the intercontinental connections it provides.

Shame to see it go


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8762 times:
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also it's on the BBC website quoting KLM's UK General Manager Henri Hourcade :

"However, the continued economic downturn has meant that as a company we have had to make some tough decisions across our global network and unfortunately Liverpool is a casualty of that process."

LPL seeking an alternative high frequency service to a hub airport. Might not be that easy to get as the ones that may be tempted are LH (with the MAN links being only 4 daily FRA and 3 daily MUC, they may consider it too risky to dilute the MAN service. Plus I don't think they'll have that many spare ERJ145s/CRJs to launch the route) and AF (no chance as given KL is owned by them)


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2697 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8735 times:
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Actually Business Traveller Magazine even has an article on it...

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/klm-to-drop-liverpool-services


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

Sorry, it was on the Liverpool Echo website.


Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineDanTaylor2006 From UK - England, joined Feb 2006, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
I must try to fly the F70 (never flown that machine before) that's utilised on that route with fares from just £39 one-way.

That's what I've done, taking a flight in January!

I got very worried when I heard! Then saw it was March 25th... my booking is safe!



Flown: A319-21, A346, A380, B733-4, B738, B744, B752, B762-4, B77W, CR2, CR9, DH4, E190-95, F70-100, MD-11, MD-88, MD-90
User currently offlineEuroWings From UK - England, joined Sep 2011, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

That's a shame, the impression I got was that the service was doing reasonably well. Although, I will admit that LPL's website was full of KLM promotional material, which did make me a little bit suspicious if I'm honest.

I travelled on this route once and the load factor was 50-60% on an F70. The removal of this service will mean that LPL is now once again a 'low-cost only airport' - FR, EZY, W6 and BE only.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 7):
LPL seeking an alternative high frequency service to a hub airport. Might not be that easy to get as the ones that may be tempted are LH (with the MAN links being only 4 daily FRA and 3 daily MUC, they may consider it too risky to dilute the MAN service. Plus I don't think they'll have that many spare ERJ145s/CRJs to launch the route) and AF (no chance as given KL is owned by them)

I'd rule out AF for obvious reasons, as well as BA/IB. LH seem to be increasing their UK presence with new routes to LGW and ABZ, however, I am not convinced they would be tempted by LPL. One plus would be that a LPL to FRA service would receive O&D traffic as well as connections since their is no low cost competition against LPL-AMS where EZY is well established. However, I am still not convinced.

The City of Liverpool has a direct rail service to Manchester Airport, which also serves the station closest to LPL. The road links are perfectly adequate as well, I have travelled LPL to MAN in about 40 minutes on a clear run by taxi (when a flight was diverted). I know people like to use their local airport, but if KL can't make a 'connection service' work (they are very experienced with services to many small UK regional airports) then I am not sure if anyone can.


User currently offlineB17GUNNER24 From UK - England, joined Apr 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8532 times:

I live in Liverpool and often go spotting at LPL and i often go there for the evening KLM cityhopper fokker 70 to come in and i love it. I am so sad to see it go!       .


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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 11):
That's a shame, the impression I got was that the service was doing reasonably well. Although, I will admit that LPL's website was full of KLM promotional material, which did make me a little bit suspicious if I'm honest.

I wouldn't read too much into this. Other regional airports reliant on KLM (eg Norwich, Humberside,Durham) also feature KLM ads on their home pages.

But the axing of the route is a real loss for Liverpool. It meant that the city would feature on the international aviation map which is important for a potential business person in, say China or N America. who might be planning a trip to the UK and who might not be well acquainted with UK geography. Of course, Easyjet will still ply between Liverpool and Amsterdam but it does not interline with other long-haul carriers at Schiphol.


User currently offlineLTUMD11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2011, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

This article makes me wonder if MME Durham Tees Valley- AMS service will be axed next. On a day when the airport is officially "For Sale" a similar pull out from my local airport would without doubt spell the beginning of the end for DTV. I sincerely hope i'm wrong but i must admit, i fear the worst!

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
I must try to fly the F70 (never flown that machine before) that's utilised on that route with fares from just £39 one-way.

One of my favourite aircraft types. I was on 2 KL F70s a week ago AMS-DUS-AMS, plus one unexpected F100 on AMS-GVA (last minute substitution for the scheduled Embraer 190). The KL F70s always look like new inside and out and in my opinion have the most comfortable Y class seats of any KL aircraft, short or longhaul. Pitch is a bit tight but the seats themselves are much nicer than the new lightweight almost unpadded seats so common on many newer aircraft.

Coincidentally, the crew on the DUS-AMS F70 was then operating AMS-LPL-AMS. It was a 100% British crew (pilots and cabin crew), obviously ex-KLMuk (ex-Air UK). I always find it a little strange to fly on a KLM flight on a Dutch-registered aircraft where where not one of the crew speaks Dutch. That still seems to be fairly common on KL City Hopper flights. They use recordings for the Dutch announcements.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting HansHubers (Reply 17):
Glad to hear that, haha! Anyhow, in the end easyJet is the winner of this all I guess...

I'm not entirely sure. I think most pax on the KL would have been transfer pax and those who made a point of travelling KL for full service benefits will probably use MAN.



Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Really gutted to hear this, but at least KL gave it a go. I guess being 30 miles down the road from MAN is going to affect the service.
I wish LPL luck with finding an alternative hub carrier.



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

More cancellations coming down for Summer 2012:

2nd IAH flight (eff 20jan12 already)
MIA
MXP but will be changed to LIN only
MNL will not be served non-stop anymore but via 1 stop in Asia...



don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

How about starting SOU-AMS. We need something better than BE.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4808 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3841 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
One of my favourite aircraft types. I was on 2 KL F70s a week ago AMS-DUS-AMS, plus one unexpected F100 on AMS-GVA (last minute substitution for the scheduled Embraer 190). The KL F70s always look like new inside and out and in my opinion have the most comfortable Y class seats of any KL aircraft, short or longhaul. Pitch is a bit tight but the seats themselves are much nicer than the new lightweight almost unpadded seats so common on many newer aircraft.

Exactly my thoughts. I have flown the KLM F70 and the occasional F100 to Leeds/Bradford for more then a year on a weekly basis. I now fly on a weekly basis to Hamburg (also KLM) where the Monday morning flight is on the F70, and the Thursday return flight is with the Embraer 190. The Embraer is a very nice modern plane, but the seats can not withstand the comparison with those installed in the F70/F100 in the KLM fleet.

Too bad that they can not sustain AMS-LPL but that flight always looked a lot more quiet to me then the flights to Leeds/Bradford I was on.

[Edited 2011-12-15 13:47:58]

User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

How about starting SOU-AMS. We need something better than BE.

Very true, it would be nice to see someone else in SOU but BE do have an interline agreement with KL, if you book through an agency like expedia, you can have your baggage checked through to your final destination but we cannot issue a boarding pass, you would need to keep your bag tag receipt and show your ticket or confirmation and tag receipt at the KL transfer desk, quite straight forward really, we get this quite alot but should there be disruption, it is a case of contact your agent as BE dont have an agreement where they can re-book KL flights and vice versa and we sometimes get pax with a 1 hour connection in AMS.


User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 22):

Source?


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 26):
Source?

Internal AF-KL document



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User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

I live equidistant(ish) from MAN & LPL. Even though I usually end up flying from MAN because of the connections possible from there, if there is a choice from LPL I prefer that due to the ease of security, parking etc.
Have travelled LPL-AMS-OSL last summer & it was very convenient.
I will miss it.

AI.


25 BlueShamu330s : Security is a sham, always understaffed and officious numpties making it as slow and arduous as possible at LPL. The arrivals "hall" is a disgrace. P
26 jonathanxxxx : That's what I was thinking.... But then why would they raise the frequency if they are going to cancel it?
27 SASMD82 : Is it Delta that will take over this route?
28 LondonCity : Suckling Airways used to ply this route and it interlined with KL at Schiphol. I too wonder why KL is not present on this route now as there are pax
29 MH017 : Airlineroute.net is not always correct...in the next issue it will be corrected; mark my words !
30 jonathanxxxx : But it's even on the timetable... Are you sure?
31 MH017 : Very sure; Reservation-systems tend to be updated at a slower pace... Too bad, though, because MIA has one of the highest loadfactors of the United St
32 shamrock604 : Just because KL cannot make a route work does not mean AF flying to a different hub cannot. Of course, they may surely be put off by each others "hor
33 david_itl : This is why I'm discounting it: KL was operating 5 or 6 daily to MAN at the time so adding LPL was not such a bad idea, especially if they could have
34 shamrock604 : Yes, of course that is a fair point, and dilution of an existing service is of course a consideration, but it will come down to how much LH "know" th
35 YVRLTN : At the risk of opening a can of worms..... but post BD take over, wonder if BA may be interested with all the spare slots acquired for a twice daily
36 Post contains images PlymSpotter : BE keep out of FR/U2's way, generally they can't compete in a head to head, although BE will sometimes pick up former U2/FR routes when they are drop
37 GT4EZY : Which is dilution of the MAN service and if i remember correctly, KL have always said that if this occurred, then MAN would always win the day.
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