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LAN And TAM Merger Approved  
User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

CADE approved today fusion between TAM and LAN, creating the biggest airline in South America, under the condition that one of the airlines drops its alliance membership and some slots between SCL and GRU

Sorry link only in Portuguese

http://economia.uol.com.br/ultimas-n...tricoes-fusao-entre-tam-e-lan.jhtm

Correct me if I´m wrong, but wouldn´t be better for competition if they remain in different alliances?

[Edited 2011-12-14 12:08:24]

[Edited 2011-12-14 12:13:33]

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User currently offlinescrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10802 times:

oooooo interesting... I hope they remain in oneworld....

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10722 times:

Quoting oksman (Thread starter):
Correct me if I´m wrong, but wouldn´t be better for competition if they remain in different alliances?

In an ideal world, yes, but the terms are clear in that they need to be in the same alliance, and that alliance cannot involve Avianca-Taca.

That said, the benefits of a merger outweigh the costs of two separate airlines in two separate alliances; therefore, the signs indicate they are indeed headed to OneWorld. In my opinion, a decision and situation that makes much more sense on paper.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2885 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10537 times:
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Interesting if Star would dump one for the other. Wouldn't be the first time in life! Ask Jenniffer Aniston  


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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

Link in English:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...trictions-by-brazil-regulator.html


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10417 times:

Are there any airlines left in South America? LAN seems to have gobbled up the whole continent! AR is in pretty bad shape.


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User currently offlinenotaxonrotax From Netherlands, joined Mar 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10395 times:

Interesting.
I can't say I care for either airline too much; both livery and service wise; but there you go.

No significant competition in SA--> prizes will hit the roof before their planes will.

SCL767 replying to this thread in 3,2,1......

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User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

with AA in chapt 11 going to OneWorld right now is risky...AA needs to flood South America with aircraft to build revenue to support restructuring....gonna be interesting if they do go that way......

User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10328 times:

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 6):
No significant competition in SA--> prizes will hit the roof before their planes will

Prices already have hit the roof, if you tried looking for some fares on LAN or TAM recently. I paid over US$1000 for a return from GRU to MAO last week, and the ponte aerea from Congonhas to Santos Dumont I regularly get quotes of over US$500 for ONE LEG on TAM.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 3):

Interesting if Star would dump one for the other. Wouldn't be the first time in life! Ask Jenniffer Aniston  

If AviancaBrasil comes onboard and grows properly, then the net lost versus gaining Avianca-Taca is close to a wash. TAP is more than sufficient connecting Brazil to Europe (on top of other partners), while United connects GRU with 4 US cities.

Sad loss, but not the end of the world for Star Alliance.


User currently offlineminer From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 7):
with AA in chapt 11 going to OneWorld right now is risky.

I can't seem to see the issue here. Some of AA's most profitable routes are in South America. AA's CH.11 is a reboot, not a death sentence. This is the best time to consolidate that market and by getting a partner like TAM in Brazil to feed traffic to AA aside from their OW partner LAN, is an excellent thing.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

Oh, God no...  

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 6):
No significant competition in SA--> prices will hit the roof before their planes will.

There is already far too little competition, this will only make it worse. LAN and TAM are my favourite Latin American airlines, although it's been a while since I've flown either. I firmly believe that it would be better for the passenger if they continued to compete rather than form a giant quasi-monopoly.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 8):
Prices already have hit the roof, if you tried looking for some fares on LAN or TAM recently. I paid over US$1000 for a return from GRU to MAO last week, and the ponte aerea from Congonhas to Santos Dumont I regularly get quotes of over US$500 for ONE LEG on TAM.

this is crazy.... well that's the why I'll stick to CM now! 

or take our new motto: Azul (jetblue), aZUL, AzuL, Azuuul LOL....


User currently offlineGEN2STEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10174 times:

I'll wager a large amout of anything that LATAM is getting some sweet offers from all interested parties (Sky+Star to switch and OW to stay)!   


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User currently offlineGEN2STEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10184 times:

When are expecting an alliance decision?


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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10116 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
That said, the benefits of a merger outweigh the costs of two separate airlines in two separate alliances; therefore, the signs indicate they are indeed headed to OneWorld. In my opinion, a decision and situation that makes much more sense on paper.

Benefits to whom? Not too sure that having LATAM and AA in the same alliance makes sense for the consumer - that will be a pretty dominant combo.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 9):
If AviancaBrasil comes onboard and grows properly, then the net lost versus gaining Avianca-Taca is close to a wash.

The question is how are they going to grow properly when GRU in particular, is slot constrained?



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User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 8):
rices already have hit the roof, if you tried looking for some fares on LAN or TAM recently. I paid over US$1000 for a return from GRU to MAO last week, and the ponte aerea from Congonhas to Santos Dumont I regularly get quotes of over US$500 for ONE LEG on TAM.

It's true, absolutely crazy high air ticket prices within Brazil. I've been traveling there for over 2 years and those inter Brazil fares are out of sight. But I have to pay......no way around it. Supply is obviously way behind demand. And with teh worsl cup and then the Olympics...geeze...


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

its really a shame how expensive the fares are in SouthAmerica.... I will pay for next week LIM-MDE-LIM over 800 usd also their are plenty of different carriers that are offering the route direct or via 1 stop... shame shame shame


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User currently offlineoksman From Brazil, joined Apr 2011, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9992 times:

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 8):
Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 6):
No significant competition in SA--> prizes will hit the roof before their planes will

Prices already have hit the roof, if you tried looking for some fares on LAN or TAM recently. I paid over US$1000 for a return from GRU to MAO last week, and the ponte aerea from Congonhas to Santos Dumont I regularly get quotes of over US$500 for ONE LEG on TAM.

This is why I still don´t understand CADE´s approval on this merger. I can´t see how it can be good for the consumer, in any aspect, specially the decision to stay in the same alliance. Just makes me wonder how lobbyst are powerfull in Brazil and how customers interests are left behind.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 6):
No significant competition in SA--> prizes will hit the roof before their planes will.

This doesn't make sense...when are planes supposed to hit the roof? In the hanger??

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 6):
I can't say I care for either airline too much; both livery and service wise; but there you go.

I think LAN has a gorgeous livery and they offer some of the best service of any airline I know. Not sure about TAM, but I have heard good things. To each his own.

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 7):
with AA in chapt 11 going to OneWorld right now is risky...AA needs to flood South America with aircraft to build revenue to support restructuring....gonna be interesting if they do go that way......

Bogus. Did Star Alliance fail when UA filed for bankruptcy? Did SkyTeam fold when DL filed? There is much more involved here than the financial situation of the airline. And believe me, AA bankrupt or not, LAN is better off maintaining its ties with OneWorld.

Also - the suggestion that AA needs to flood SA with capacity to generate revenue streams is neither practical nor relevant to this discussion. Again, AA's issue is COSTS. That is why they filed. That is where their focus needs to lie - on lowering them to be able to compete effectively. Their SA assets are very profitable and balanced as-is. The signs seem to indicate that LATAM is to stay in OneWorld and consequently it would be foolish of them to take the approach as you have suggested because it is an area of strength for them at present.

[Edited 2011-12-14 15:09:39]


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User currently offlineslvrblt From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9926 times:

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 7):
with AA in chapt 11 going to OneWorld right now is risky...AA needs to flood South America with aircraft to build revenue to support restructuring..
You can't be serious.  
Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 6):
Interesting.
I can't say I care for either airline too much; both livery and service wise; but there you go.

Um.... I don't think people choose their carriers by the livery anymore.   
Service wise, TAM is OK. They can learn a lot from LAN, in that regard. Pax love LAN's service levels and they are better than AA in lots of areas; although - that should be addressed in the coming months.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8329 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9910 times:
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Holy mother of God, its going to happen. Every other airline group from Mexico to Argentina should be shivering in their boots. LATAM must have 50 widebody long haul planes, this makes it the biggest airline in the southern hemisphere, execpt for Qantas. Love to see those 77W in Lan colors.

User currently offlinenotaxonrotax From Netherlands, joined Mar 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
This doesn't make sense...when are planes supposed to hit the roof? In the hanger??

Sigh....it's combining a well known phrase with aviation; meaning, well......forget it, you really don't get it.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
I think LAN has a gorgeous livery and they offer some of the best service of any airline I know.

I don't argue with you on the livery; it's pointless.

But, "the best you know"?
Again, it's moot to argue your personal experience cause I wasn't there but if LAN is the best in your experience; I can only wonder about which airlines you did NOT fly! Perhaps you could "spread your wings".....hang on, you don't have to spread your arms to fly on an airliner......it appears to make no sense.
There it is again, using aviation with a way of expressi....ah, well; it's pointless.

If you would try other airlines you may find that LAN is not exactly top-10 material.

Don't hold your breath for TAM either.

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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9769 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):
LATAM must have 50 widebody long haul planes, this makes it the biggest airline in the southern hemisphere, execpt for Qantas.

Not for long the way Alan Joyce is running Qantas International it will only have 18x A380 in 2023... thats it. No 744s, no 787, no A330 nothing. Jetstar is getting everything  



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9779 times:

A terrible, terrible day for Latin aviation. How authorities have so liberally allowed these market damaging cross-border ownership groups is beyond me.


a.
25 realsim : And what does the merger between TAM and LAN have to with that? Right now they aren't merged, and LAN doesn't operate domestic legs in Brazil, so the
26 Post contains images commavia : Not at all. AA need not "flood South America" with capacity in order to build revenue. AA is already the dominant carrier in just about every market
27 jfk777 : How do " liberal" governments damage airlines ? If it was NOT for LAN, the airlines in Latin America would really be "Damaged" Look at Aerolinias Arg
28 slvrblt : Terrible? Why do you think so, mah4546..... Here's my counterpoint, because I feel it's made Latin America better, overall. Honestly, the national ai
29 2travel2know2 : Other than AR, there's Argentina's Andes; Uruguay's PU; Bolivia's Aerosur; Chile's Sky Airline; Venezuela's Venzolana, Conviasa and SBA; Ecuador's TA
30 chopchop767 : If anything, the fact that AA has so many flights to SA makes them more competitive should LANTAM align with STAR. On the other hand, UA doesn't have
31 PPVRA : Travelling between South America will become very easy, finally. Greater economic integration of the region will result. A fantastic development.
32 Zkpilot : How many of them fly to UK/EU, USA/Canada, or Africa? None of them fly to NZ or Australia, and I doubt any fly to Asia. Fair enough I'm not overly fa
33 kiwiandrew : Wow, I never thought I would say this, but I owe you an apology Mark. I assumed that you would be all gung ho in favour of this. I guess that should
34 Post contains images VC10er : Yes, I have flown TAP many times to and from Brazil and their were decent connections throughout Europe. The big hole is LHR. I really loved the TAM
35 2travel2know2 : Aerosur from Bolivia to MAD. PY from PBM to AMS. Venezuelan Conviasa and SBA fly to Europe Conviasa flies to IRAN. Of the airlines mentioned earlier
36 kiwiandrew : I think what we are likely to see is an accelerated push to include Avianca Brazil in *A ( They are currently not part of the planned TA/AV move to *
37 PezySPU : While it might prove to be damaging in the future, isn't it better to (potentially) damage your market just a little with your own airline rather tha
38 Post contains images Gonzalo : Your comment is unfair to say the least. LAN, my friend, IS one of the best airlines. They have a superior product in Service, fleet age, IFE, cabin
39 steex : I don't believe mah4546 was using the term liberal in a political sense at all, but rather in reference to the vast freedom that has been given to th
40 eastern023 : Not following. Can you kindly elaborate more? Did they drop Damasco? Well there's two politically staetment flights, flights fly empty and not to any
41 superjeff : Actually, Eastern acquired their South American routes from Braniff. United got Pan Am's Latin American routes when Pan Am failed.. And the old Brani
42 Acheron : They have been on the road to trying to stablish a monopoly on south america for a while now, and the governments are letting them do so, apparently.
43 LH506 : I am sure AV-TA will stay with *A and not Sky. Especially now, where it is very obvious that Latam will go for 1W. In addition AV-Brasil will join ve
44 notaxonrotax : No personal "issue" whatsoever, it is called choice. For my routes I normally have a choice between TACA, COPA & LAN. Between TACA and LAN mainly
45 PDPsol : In reality, the acquisition of JJ by LA is simply a reflection of broader, global commercial forces, yielding higher operational efficiency, market in
46 PPVRA : This integration should also further erode the curse of nationalism that is still strong in Brazil and I would imagine in other places in Latin Americ
47 PDPsol : Totally agree with your assessment here. Regional integration of the commercial aviation sector cannot occur with protectionist policies. With the ob
48 2travel2know2 : For example, for travel between LIM and Brazil (except MAO), Argentina, Uruguay, Ecuador, Bolivia, Chile,.. CM isn't good, unless that's the only way
49 notaxonrotax : Definitely. I Love COPA for central America. Panama must be one of the most convenient places to do a swift plane change. No Tax On Rotax
50 IrishAyes : Pardon my ignorance for not knowing all of the colloquial aviation jargon. I also wasn't starting an argument about liveries - hence, why I said "to
51 C010T3 : There is nothing stopping foreign airlines from serving GRU-SCL, only slots.
52 notaxonrotax : Snob? Haha, well I've been called worse! Sorry, but after this remark: I guess we started off at the wrong foot. Perhaps not "snobbish" but far from
53 IrishAyes : Or simply because I just did not understand the joke. But thank you for the apology anyways.
54 staralliance85 : I really hope LANTAM joins *A because it would be more price competitive and cheaper to fly to South America. It is much cheaper to fly from North Ame
55 Post contains links KrisFlyerGold : Well let's not go overboard here. LAN most certainly is not a top 10 carrier. They are a 3 star airline, who's service standard is about the same as
56 Arcano : For sure LAN is a great airline in terms of in flight experience... I'd rather flight to any Central American/Caribbean destination through MIA in LA
57 2travel2know2 : Forgot to write between "...through MIA in LA" and "instead of CM.." the obvious: "and to go through U.S. immigration and customs". Can't blame passe
58 LipeGIG : I'm not surprised at all. Why ? How different is this when compared to Delta/Northwest, United/Continental, Lufthansa/Swiss, Air France/KLM and some o
59 RWA380 : After reading these replies, the best conclusion I can come to is S America is the only region left in the world where carriers can practically rape t
60 jfk777 : The Star Alliance can NOT afford to let TAP fall into OW and IAG. IT would loose the last significant link between Brazil and Europe. TAP cover Brazi
61 oksman : Agreed. But in Brazil it´s very difficult to expect and believe that their decisions are to protect customers and therefore competition, as they wer
62 SJOtoLIR : So One World is the realistic choice for LATAM . It was commented in the past the possible inclusion of AR into SkyTeam. . Both Avianca Brasil and Ae
63 kiwiandrew : I know that. That is why a said there would be a push to include them.
64 LH506 : That plus Sky Airline and *A has pretty much covered everything they need in Latin America: Central America: CM/TA Colombia: Avianca Ecuador: Avianca
65 kiwiandrew : That is the big problem, if they get Avianca Brazil on board ( and I think they will move on that now) it has only a small chunk of the market, and m
66 mikey72 : Well said. You have to respect the fact that different nations have different ways of conducting their affairs. That would be interesting however, I
67 avion660 : Some have mentioned that LA and TAM do not have many overlapping routes, but from the UK LA tickets (using IB and BA metal) are readily available, and
68 jfk777 : LAN now has a local airline in every major Latin American country except for Venezuela.
69 acontador : Well said, can only agree with you! That choice has been maid many, many months ago. As I wrote in a thread a few months ago, LATAM is staying with O
70 Dellatorre : AV Brazil will need to a real boost in it's size just to begin with. Right now it is way too small. I imagine something close to Avianca Colombia num
71 SJOtoLIR : Lima, Cuzco, Trujillo, Tarapoto, Chiclayo, Piura, Juliaca, Arequipa and Puerto Maldonado from January 2012. In my view, TACA has a decent coverage in
72 LipeGIG : CADE is a joke. Very likely. And in fact OW is not a bad choice for JJ as they run operations to more OW hubs than *A (MIA,JFK,MAD,LHR,LIM,SCL vs FRA
73 Arcano : It's actually a complex answer. You see, in flights of 3 hrs or less I generally stay on my seat and always chose window, so it doesn't make much dif
74 PPVRA : I think it will happen, but it probably will take some time. It's much more difficult (expensive/risky) for smaller airlines to navigate the complex
75 2travel2know2 : DIdn't TA even start LIM-ANF? Aerosur, for what's worth connecting, still flies between ARI and LPB? LA is the one to blame If Northern Chile has suc
76 PDPsol : Would be curious to hear what you mean by this. Does "they" refer to VS affiliates outside Britain, or does "they" refer to aviation authorities outs
77 SCL767 : TA dropped LIM-ANF and now code-shares with H2 on the SCL-ANF-LIM route. 5L does not fly ARI-LPB, H2 operates ARI-LPB. LA operates SCL-IQQ-LPB, SCL-IQ
78 kiwiandrew : Really? I must have missed Lan Mexico somewhere along the line, or did you mean to type "South American" rather than "Latin American"?
79 eastern023 : Oh gee...give the guy a break. Neatpeaking..we all understood what he meant...
80 Post contains images avion660 : Old and dusty.. yes, and interesting! OK, may be not so interesting those early generation A320's but the 737s are a joy to fly. Normally I would pre
81 Gonzalo : Agree, not necessary at all. And for a lot of people, Mexico is a different animal, maybe because they are part of North America. I know is a wrong p
82 SCL767 : H2's fleet of A-320s are not that young either. Next year, LAN will increase frequency and capacity on the SCL-ANF route. Five more A-318s are leavin
83 staralliance85 : The Star Alliance can NOT afford to let TAP fall into OW and IAG. IT would loose the last significant link between Brazil and Europe. TAP cover Brazi
84 acontador : Just flew PAL SCL-ANF and back, on the way up on 737-200 CC-CZK and on the way back on 737-300 CC-ADE, and I can tell you a few things: - Flying CZK
85 Post contains links SCL767 : In a recent interview, LAN Perú's General Manager emphasized the importance of the LIM hub and LAN's plans to continue growing at LIM. LIM will serve
86 SJOtoLIR : TA LIM-ANF 3x weekly was in service this year from January to September.
87 SCL767 : Does TACA or any of its affiliates operate into SCL utilizing Fifth Freedom Rights between LIM and SCL?
88 SJOtoLIR : TA never flew LIM-ANF-SCL. TA LIM-SCL and TA LIM-ANF had been their isolated routes between Chile and Peru. As of November 01st, TACA and Sky Airline
89 SCL767 : Let me clarify, does LR still operate into SCL and if LR does operate into SCL, does the service originate at LIM?
90 SJOtoLIR : The answer is somewhat complex. TA/LR [SCL-LIM-SJO] certainly originates in Santiago de Chile, but all passengers must disembark in Lima to continue
91 avion660 : . Point taken! . OK, maybe not too pleasant! Thanks for the details .. useful to know. I know that we are pulling this discussion to one side, but to
92 notaxonrotax : 1 simple question: will all this stuff yield a Non-Stop flight between Brazil & Ecuador? That'd be great! No Tax On Rotax
93 Dellatorre : I doubt it! LAN would like keep sending it's pax through LIM hub.
94 SCL767 : IMO, eventually there will be a non-stop service between GYE and GRU. LAN Ecuador already operates UIO-GYE-EZE daily and GYE-SCL daily. So not all of
95 Avianca : Agree on that, why shouldnt they establish a nonstop link between 2 mayor hubs? (at least GRU will be a mayor hub)
96 SCL767 : LAN Ecuador has actually strengthen both its domestic and international operations this year. I would expect that LAN will launch non-stop flights be
97 Avianca : now with LAN Colombia in place this would make more than sence! also this would make sence, so PTY would be finally on LA map, its a shame that so fa
98 SCL767 : BOG will serve as LAN's primary gateway to Central America and LAN will most definitely launch BOG-PTY. The airfares between BOG and PTY are extremel
99 2travel2know2 : Panama and Colombia are supposed to have open skies now, so there'll be no surprise if LA Colombia would start flights on that route, although I'd ha
100 Post contains links SCL767 : No, LP/JJ/PZ plan to initially add flights into LIM from destinations such as ASU, CBB, CNF, CWB, GIG, etc. so that LP can launch new routes to North
101 SJOtoLIR : From what I've understood from earlier inputs, LAN Colombia does not have within their initial plans to launch international routes from another city
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