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FedEx Confirms Order For 27 767-300F + 2 777F  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23359 times:
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The much discussed order has been confirmed today with FedEx placing an order for 27 B767-300F

FedEx Corp. (FDX) posted a quarterly profit that beat analysts’ estimates and ordered 27 Boeing Co. 767 jet freighters to retire some of the older planes at the world’s largest cargo airline.
Profit for the fiscal second quarter ended Nov. 30 rose to $497 million, or $1.57 a share, from $283 million, or 89 cents, a year earlier, the Memphis, Tennessee-based company said in a statement. Delivery of 11 larger Boeing 777 aircraft already on order will help balance capacity with lower demand from FedEx Express customers using up inventory, the company said today.
The 767s will be about 30 percent more fuel-efficient than the MD10 jets they’re replacing, some of which are more than 40 years old, FedEx said. Three of the jets will be delivered in 2014 and six a year from 2015 through 2018. The jets have a catalog price of $175.4 million, though carriers typically negotiate discounts.


Source Bloomberg

All reports indicate they are the for the 300F to replace MD-10s

[Edited 2011-12-15 05:51:09]

More from FedEx

Three arriving in fiscal 2014 and six per year in fiscal 2015-2018
FedEx Express is also delaying the delivery of 11 777F two of which will be deferred from fiscal 2013, five from fiscal 2014 and one per year in fiscal 2015-2018
2 more 777F options exercised for delivery at end of delivery schedule

Source FedEx


[Edited 2011-12-15 06:06:27]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23055 times:

It's not the 764 order that was previously speculated but a good order none the less, I expect further add on orders for the 763F down the road.

Good sales year for Boeing, with a few weeks left.



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User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 22942 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
All reports indicate they are the for the 300F to replace MD-10s

It is officially the 300F per the Fedex website.

I am not sure I agree with the statement made that the 767-300F will provide similar capacity to the MD10. While a great airplane, volume-wise it's not really that close.


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 22498 times:

"FedEx Express is also delaying the delivery of 11 777F aircraft, two of which will be deferred from fiscal 2013, five from fiscal 2014 and one per year in fiscal 2015-2018, to better balance air network capacity to demand. As a result of these deferrals, FedEx Express will place into service four 777s in fiscal 2013 and two in fiscal 2014. The company is also exercising two 777 options for aircraft to be delivered at the end of the delivery schedule"
http://investors.fedex.com/phoenix.z...3289&p=irol-newsarticle&ID=1639736

Delaying and ordering more 777F at the same time.


User currently offlinemsp747 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 22372 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
It's not the 764 order that was previously speculated but a good order none the less

The 764 must have been a dog for cargo flights, because it seems to me to be the better replacement aircraft for the md10. Obviously, it's bigger - plus, the cockpit on the 764 is similar to the 777, which I'm guessing would have helped with pilot training. Either way, I'm sure Boeing game them a killer deal in order to keep the 767 line busy until those tankers start rolling out. Nice to see that the 767 line still has a little life left in it.


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22244 times:

Quoting msp747 (Reply 4):
The 764 must have been a dog for cargo flights

More likely, it was just less cost-effective to have Boeing engineer and build the 764F than it was to buy off-the-shelf 763Fs and adjust frequencies.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13138 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22123 times:
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FedEx has a history of 'top off' orders, so this is just a 'toe in the water.'   

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
The 767s will be about 30 percent more fuel-efficient than the MD10 jets they’re replacing

Not to mention much less expensive to maintain. The economies of scale of the DC10/MD10 are in decline...
The tanker will keep the 767F economics excellent for 30 (or more) years.

Quoting msp747 (Reply 4):
The 764 must have been a dog for cargo flights, because it seems to me to be the better replacement aircraft for the md10.

Not my take. The 764 would be too expensive for Boeing to develop vs. the A332 is my take.

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User currently offlineiceberg210 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22017 times:

Congrats Boeing and Fed Ex! While it would have been neat to see a new freighter in the 764F, I'm not about to complain about this order. Always good to see the 767 chugging along...

Also does the number feel like deja vu to anyone else?
767-300F Orders...
UPS U.S.A. North America 767-300F GE 15-Feb-2007 27

Interesting coincidence. Speaking of UPS as of 12/1 they were due only the last 15 767's from that original order of 27. So one might think they are due for a top up order here in the next few years, with them and Fed Ex, and I'd think even a few more from LAN etc (don't they have one pending?) the 767 is experiencing somewhat of a late program revival. Nothing huge ( I wouldn't expect 100+ orders in a year or anything) but certainly a very nice addition to the variety of Boeing's programs. Here's the the 767 wishing it a long life, and more orders for many years!



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User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 21844 times:

Quoting msp747 (Reply 4):
- plus, the cockpit on the 764 is similar to the 777, which I'm guessing would have helped with pilot training.

The cockpit on the 763 is similar to the 752s they are flying around  


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2356 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21793 times:

Does anyone have any pictures ( the ones typically found in the press releases ), or know if these 767s will have winglets? Congrats to both Boeing and FX!


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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21566 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 3):
The company is also exercising two 777 options

Getting closer and closer towards the 200 order mark for 2011...  



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21558 times:

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 7):
Here's the the 767 wishing it a long life, and more orders for many years!

It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982. It will still be flying in cargo and tanker service at least through 2050. An 80-year life span is not out of the question for it.

Pretty damn good for an aircraft that always had the wrong fuselage width.  


User currently offlinewrenchon727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21508 times:

Quoting DualQual (Reply 8):
The cockpit on the 763 is similar to the 752s they are flying around

I dont expect the cockpits to be the standard 767 layout. The 757 have an IS&S cockpit upgrade during conversion to PtoF.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31008 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21444 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
FedEx has a history of 'top off' orders, so this is just a 'toe in the water.'   

Agreed. In addition to the almost 80 MD-10s that need to be replaced, there is also the large A300 and A310 fleet that will eventually need replacement (Ithe A300 fleet looks to be around 16 years old and the A310 around 25 per Airfleets). FX could see a fleet of over 200 767-300Fs.   


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21207 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982.

Looks the 737 is going to be right there with it every step of the way, but with an earlier starting date.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3650 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21140 times:

I find it somewhat amazing that even with Boeing now delivering production 787s, the 767 is still humming right along. The 767 has been in production for nearly 30 years now and looks to have at least another 7-8 years left in her, if not another decade with the USAF order.


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21043 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 14):

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history. It started flying with customers in 1982.

Looks the 737 is going to be right there with it every step of the way, but with an earlier starting date.

What's amazing is that the 767 wasn't re-engined or re-winged. It's basically the same airplane from the beginning except stretched.



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User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 770 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20968 times:

This is a logical order for fedex. It allows 757 pilots to be grouped together with 767 pilots, and eventually there might just be 2-3 pilot groups... 756, 777, and MD11.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20946 times:

Kinda disappointed that we won't see a 764F but I suppose the numbers just didn't add up, and it's a numbers game. Well done to Boeing and FedEx anyway!

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13138 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20924 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
It seems possible that the 767 may become the longest-lived single generation of an airliner (in significant quantity) in history.

As already noted:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 14):
Looks the 737 is going to be right there with it every step of the way, but with an earlier starting date.

The 737 has been the longest running jet in production. Since the 737MAX is going forward, I fully expect the 737MAX line to be putting out examples after the 767 line shuts down. With a 14 year head start in service (1968 vs. 1982) and an expected longer production life due to the new engines, I expect the 737 will easily keep the record.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
Pretty damn good for an aircraft that always had the wrong fuselage width.

You have a point there.  
Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
FX could see a fleet of over 200 767-300Fs.

I suspect Airbus will win some fraction of those orders. How many? Let's talk over a meal and drinks.   

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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20870 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
The 737 has been the longest running jet in production. Since the 737MAX is going forward, I fully expect the 737MAX line to be putting out examples after the 767 line shuts down. With a 14 year head start in service (1968 vs. 1982) and an expected longer production life due to the new engines, I expect the 737 will easily keep the record.

I'm not quite ready to count the 737NG in with the 737 Classic. Just too many changes (engines and wings in particular).


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20526 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
FX could see a fleet of over 200 767-300Fs.

I'd imagine John Leahy will have something to say about that.  

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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20181 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
I suspect Airbus will win some fraction of those orders. How many? Let's talk over a meal and drinks
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 21):
***COUGH***A332F***COUGH***

One could keep dreaming, but I just don't see it. Looks like FX is going to be an all Boeing carrier for a while. The A300 and A310's can be replaced by more 767's and the MD11's with more 777. This order demonstrates that they are willing to juggle frequencies and schedules to make them fit...


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 20184 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
I am not sure I agree with the statement made that the 767-300F will provide similar capacity to the MD10. While a great airplane, volume-wise it's not really that close.

Does anybody have the numbers, volume of the MD 10 and the B 767-300F?

What might have been the reason why FX stopped negotations with Airbus some weeks ago? Delivery slots might not necessarily have been the issue since the first 767s will be delivered in 2014. I would guess Airbus simply couldn't compete with Boeing's offer for the 767s. Any ideas?

Ahh, I forgot: congratulations to FX and Boeing - the FXs will look great!


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 19952 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 23):
What might have been the reason why FX stopped negotations with Airbus some weeks ago?

Perhaps Qatar's Al-Baker also sits on Fedex's board.
  .

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-as-a330-conversion-stalls-364886/



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25 mhkansan : I'm sure that Airbus will not be able to match the prices FX is getting with eh 763F with a A332F. For one, the 767 line is empty and its a lean line
26 phishphan70 : The A332F's wings are much much longer than the 763F's. I forget the exact number, but it's a significant percent larger. To accommodate the A332F, t
27 OldAeroGuy : With the Boeing Order announcement today, 777 sales for the year have hit the 200 mark.
28 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I'm sure you don't. Nonetheless, I seriously doubt Airbus will just let FX walk without a fight. They will want a piece of the action at FX just as t
29 Post contains images 747400sp : Well I can not say, that I am not disappointed that they choose 763F over 764ERF, but it is not the first time Fed Ex has disappointed me. Fed Ex used
30 msp747 : Good point. I was asleep at the wheel on that one!
31 neutronstar73 : I'm very happy to see the 767 line extended. She's a beautiful airplane and will look really nice in FedEx colors. I think this effectively will see t
32 mham001 : Why exactly are Boeing twins more boring than Airbus twins for a cargo plane spotter?
33 cmf : With production at snails pace I very much doubt these are the lowest cost units produced. I'm sure the main reason is to improve return.
34 Post contains links and images iceberg210 : Finally a press release and image from Boeing... Looks great. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2077 SEATTLE, Dec. 15, 2011 /PRNewsw
35 dlnz : Has it been confirmed if any of these 763Fs will be fitted with winglets? Obviously the MD10s they will be replacing are mainly deployed on shorter se
36 teva : As per data on this site, wingspan of 767 is 47 m, and it is 60 for the a330. (or 156 ft vs 197) For sure, if you line up 200 aircraft, that's a huge
37 Post contains images KrisFlyerGold : Spotting a 763F is "boring", but a 764F would be "exciting" how exactly? I'm glad I wasn't the only one who spotted that inconsistency. Given FX need
38 HPRamper : Supposedly this is for the domestic network, with routes generally topping out at about four hours, with the majority of routes under two hours.
39 seabosdca : This may have been another plus for Boeing. Design life of the A330 is 40,000 cycles, while it is 50,000 cycles for the 767. These aircraft will accu
40 raggi : Any news/rumors on engine selected? Well, the older 767s had the PW JT9 and the GE CF6-80As, the more modern PW4000 and CF6-80C2 were introduced later
41 wn700driver : Seriously. This thing is becoming the CheckerCab of the sky. I fully expect that the 737 will span over a century from first to last flights. Only a
42 Post contains images Revelation : What engines are going to be hanging off it? Indeed a good order. Boeing won't have to put money into R&D, FedEx will get the planes sooner. With
43 dbo861 : 767s flying in fingertip formation..I love it. Don't forget that the USAF has over 400 KC-135s that need to be replaced, and their original order for
44 747400sp : Look, I am venting, because Fed Ex could have did something new, by replacing their MD10 fleet with 764ERFs, but they took the 763Fs route. This is a
45 Post contains links Confuscius : They didn't have any choice. "FDX also evaluated the potential 767-400F, but a FDX official told us at ISTAT Barcelona Boeing did not want to proceed
46 notaxonrotax : Not bad Revelation! Nice pics. However the MD-11 is pretty photo-genic too! I can not post pics now....but both planes are "lookers". But why is it th
47 Viscount724 : A330 wingspan is almost 42 ft. greater than the 763. A330 - 197 ft. 10 in. B762/763 - 156 ft. 1 in.
48 dispatchguy : I've heard the PW4060s... Then dont spot them, problem solved...
49 Post contains images seabosdca : No AVOD PTVs.
50 747400sp : Oh, well that different, if Boeing did not want to sale them a 767-400F to them, what else could they have done.
51 Post contains images raggi : Actually if you look close, it's a 77F closest and a 767 behind. Nitpick, I know, sorry
52 AngMoh : They are never going to replace 400 KC-135s with 400 KC-46As. By 2025, there will be a much smaller air force. Lesser plane, but higher tech. And UAV
53 Post contains images mffoda : Well at least we know there is no market for the KC-46A competitor... Yes?
54 Post contains images Stitch : I am in agreement with you. But I wonder if Airbus formally shelving their plans to offer the A330-200P2F (Passenger to Freighter) program, instead o
55 VC10er : YIPPIE! I am so happy for one of my most favorite aircraft! I love that lady of the skies. I feel the best for the 767, I feel great for FedEx and nat
56 msp747 : Interesting point, but it sounds to me like it had more to do with delaying the 777's without penalty and the fact that the a332 is too much aircraft
57 dbo861 : Between the 415 KC-135Rs and the 59 KC-10s, 120 KC-46As aren't going to cut it. No matter how small you believe our Air Force is going to be. I see a
58 frmrcapcadet : res boring: It is kind of like bird spotting, you can see a spotted, striped, yellow billed, etc titmouse or whatever and you are thrilled about all o
59 cmf : Doesn't work like that. The lower the pace the less units to support fixed costs.
60 AngMoh : Normally yes, but not in this case. Without the tanker contract the line would have been closed and this contract would never have been signed.
61 flyingclrs727 : Did Boeing ever anticipate that the 767 would ever be used for transoceanic travel back when they were designing it in the late 1970's? It was origin
62 flyingclrs727 : Perhaps they might be interested in a767-400F in the future once the KC-46A is in production?
63 cmf : I think you have missed the claim I responded to: "those things are probably at their lowest production costs of all time"
64 HPRamper : FX really has no need for the A380 as things stand right now. It would be a disaster. The 767 is still going to look sexy in Fedex colors. I'll be th
65 seabosdca : It was a bit speculative, but it was definitely under consideration. If Boeing hadn't intended to make long-range versions of the 767, it would have
66 Post contains images GymClassHero : Good to see the 767 still has some manufacturing time left.
67 Max Q : Amazing isn't it, as i've said before, it may not be the most exciting or exotic Aircraft out there but it's a good solid machine built to last, in o
68 Post contains images N14AZ : It's definetily amazing and really stands for somehting if customers order a machine designed more than 30 years ago. Hats off Boeing! And the same a
69 seabosdca : Like it or not, the MD-11 will be with FX for a long, long time. It may be scary but it's also very capable. They'll replace all the MD-10, A310 and
70 United_fan : Some of the A300's arent that old,FX got the last factory bilt one not that long ago, The A310's are something else,though. They have been retiring th
71 VC10er : Are MD-11's that bad? I really, mostly recall the SWISSAIR disaster. Were their others of the same magnitude? At it's peak it seemed very popular ...
72 Post contains links Revelation : Wiki sez: On July 31, 1997 FedEx Flight 14, MD-11 N611FE, crashed during a landing at Newark Liberty International Airport, New Jersey. The aircraft
73 notaxonrotax : Hahaha In South Africa you still see a lot of those........."new old", with a nice interior etc. No Tax On Rotax
74 bikerthai : Closing the line would impact the infrastructure cost which technically is not production cost. The infrastructure cost of the 767 line was/is reduce
75 luckyone : The Swissair flight was due to faulty wiring related to the IFE. And United never purchased or operated MD-11s as they were the launch customer for t
76 747400sp : So why they order them in the first place?
77 cmf : Why did you include me in this?
78 HPRamper : When they ordered them, the economy, especially that of Asia-Pacific was a lot more robust than it is now. Asia has slowed and that's why FX is even
79 ADent : The larger UAVs will need refueling - the X-47B will undergo testing shortly. Unless they end up B-52 sized the fighter class UAVs (JSF replacements)
80 Post contains links SSTeve : The Seattle Times today: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...logy/2017026043_boeingorder16.html
81 Viscount724 : The last 6 A300s built were delivered to FedEx in 2007.
82 Max Q : That's so true it's almost funny !
83 Gunsontheroof : You can complain to Airbus about that one. At the time that FX cancelled the order, the prospects of an A380F arriving on-time and on-spec weren't lo
84 notaxonrotax : I heard that promotion can be a lot faster on cargo planes. Sometimes relatively young(er) pilots flying the big metal…… True / Myth? No Tax On R
85 cmf : The delay was clear but I have to question you about the on-spec part. Yes they have (had) weight challenges but not more than they stayed within gua
86 yeelep : So losing about 5% of their MD-11 fleet in 15 years isn't statistically significant. By that logic, SWA could lose 25+ hulls in the same timeframe an
87 Gunsontheroof : I'm not sure what you're getting at. Everything I've heard suggests that landing a job at FX is extremely difficult and that only the most qualified
88 cmf : 25 losses would be a lot more statistical significant. Three can much easier be a fluke, spike, outlier, call it what you want.
89 polot : Why is 25/565 statistically significant but not 3/~64? They are both around the same percentages, you have to consider fleet size along with number o
90 cmf : That is not very constructive. Should I say something about your mother now? So to be constructive. When working with statistics you always need to k
91 Revelation : Ok then, let's go with 8 hull losses for 200 MD-11s over 23 years of operation if you think the statistical basis is weak. Personally I feel three hu
92 HPRamper : Has anybody looked into the causes for the respective accidents? You can't just write all three off as the result of a bad airplane. The most recent
93 cmf : A sample of 8 is very small. That it took 200 planes 23 years with what, 500 - 600 flights per plane per year makes it even smaller. Then you should
94 Post contains images wn700driver : Correct. Simply put, the smaller the set, the more likely for "flukish" events to be a cause. It is entirely feasible for three different causes, all
95 HPRamper : Freighters are sometimes operated in worse weather conditions than pax aircraft are. Just last winter at MSP the airport was supposedly "closed" due
96 JoeCanuck : What is important is that with their intimate knowledge of the MD-11, FedEx is in no hurry to replace them. To me, that confidence in the plane is an
97 FlyASAGuy2005 : In all fairness, that was Delta's call and had nothing to do with the airport. From what I've learned from NW guys, that was the first time in someth
98 Stitch : You can't give away a 767-300 (non-ER), so the ~100 of those chugging around (mostly with DL, JL and NH) are either going to be broken up as spares or
99 Max Q : Well, we do hear about MD11 Accidents all the time and it's not 'nasty talk' Just a discussion of it's known poor safety record.
100 seabosdca : The two flip-over accidents (Newark and Tokyo) point to a weakness in the aircraft, although it wasn't the only cause in the later one. We've discuss
101 cf6ppe : When this thread was hi-jacked into a MD11 bashing thread, I decided not to post .... What I see: It sure seems to me that most every thread re: FedEx
102 seabosdca : My apologies for contributing to a threadjacking. But the MD-11 issues are not quite as far OT as you may think. It's important to keep track of what
103 Post contains images cf6ppe : Thanks for the comment... In past times I was awoken with news of the earlier two MD11s demise... I kind of know... This comment is the essence of th
104 Max Q : Its only MD11 'Bashing' if you refuse to accept it's very poor safety record and bury your head in the sand as many are want to do on this site. So wh
105 par13del : If my memory is correct FedEx and UPS cancelled their A380 order after Airbus delayed the program to put more resources into the pax version, rumours
106 Stitch : EK and ILFC converted their A380-800F orders to passenger versions rather early on. I believe the writing was on the wall when FedEx cancelled and UP
107 PlanesNTrains : Well, to be fair, we don't all want to enter a topic about one thing and have to wade through multiple side-discussions either. No one is restricting
108 Max Q : Well, like the song goes 'you can't always get what you want' !
109 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Sure, but in a public forum it'd be nice if people could work together to make it a good experience for everyone. In this case, the safety of the MD-
110 Post contains links raggi : Hey y'all, some news has come along: GE CF6 selected for the 763F: http://www.geaviation.com/aboutgeae/presscenter/cf6/cf6_20111215.html raggi
111 Post contains images lightsaber : I'd bet that order was hard fought over... FedEx probably received a sweet deal as if GE didn't win this one, they would have had a hard time competi
112 Revelation : Interesting, given that Pratt will be on the KC-45s. I guess that may have biased them a bit? Some guesses where you may find those engines in the FX
113 747400sp : The 757 FX operates, has RR, it is 5X that has the Pratt powered 757s. Now FX do have some Pratt powered MD-11s, that was ex DL birds.
114 Stitch : Does anyone know if FX have a "Power by the Hour" contact with GE for their 777Fs? I wonder if this PiP helped address the performance issues the CF6
115 FX1816 : FDX definitely has some PW powered 752's, didn't see the registrations but they definitely do. I saw them when I was in MEM jumpseating back in early
116 Post contains images Revelation : Yes, indeed! Thanks for the info.
117 Post contains images lightsaber : FX is going towards mostly GE is seems... Lightsaber
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