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Future Operators Of AirTran's 717s?  
User currently offlinemsp747 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 304 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12330 times:

Now that Southwest has made it clear that they want to get rid of their 717's, who do you think Boeing will get to take them? I have no doubt that part of the Southwest deal for the 737 MAX includes returning these birds to Boeing. With the unclaimed Mexicana planes, there are a lot of 717's looking for work. Is this the 100 seat order that Delta had been considering? Someone else? Or do these planes have a date with the scrapper?

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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12227 times:

I believe Boeing will take them back and place them in service with another airline maybe even a new start up somewhere in the world.


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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Quoting msp747 (Thread starter):
With the unclaimed Mexicana planes

There are no unclaimed 717's. The last 20 ex Mexicana birds disappeared from Boeing's website the day Delta announced their order for 737-900's. No idea who took them at this point


User currently offlineKrisFlyerGold From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11944 times:

Quoting msp747 (Thread starter):
Now that Southwest has made it clear that they want to get rid of their 717's, who do you think Boeing will get to take them? I have no doubt that part of the Southwest deal for the 737 MAX includes returning these birds to Boeing. With the unclaimed Mexicana planes, there are a lot of 717's looking for work. Is this the 100 seat order that Delta had been considering? Someone else? Or do these planes have a date with the scrapper?

Given the quotes Gary Kelly has made in the past couple of days on the 717 fleet, there appears no deal linked between this order and retiring the 717, as Gary has said that they are working with Boeing to figure out a replacement strategy but were committed to flying them until their lease expiration in 2024 if need be or arrangements cannot be agreed upon.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

They'd be a good fit for DL due to NW and their aged DC-9's. Are DC-9 crews certified to fly the 717 since its basically not your father's DC-9?


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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6681 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11768 times:

Quoting KrisFlyerGold (Reply 3):
but were committed to flying them until their lease expiration in 2024

I thought only some of the leases were to 2024; a lot of them are earlier than that.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 4):
They'd be a good fit for DL due to NW and their aged DC-9's. Are DC-9 crews certified to fly the 717 since its basically not your father's DC-9?

I would really like to see this happen, but will it? I doubt it



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User currently offlinejetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11704 times:
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Quoting zippyjet (Reply 4):
They'd be a good fit for DL due to NW and their aged DC-9's. Are DC-9 crews certified to fly the 717 since its basically not your father's DC-9?

A B-717 is still a DC-9 as far as the FAA is concerned, so any pilot with a DC-9 type rating only needs differences training to transition to the B-717

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User currently offlineKrisFlyerGold From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11648 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):
I thought only some of the leases were to 2024; a lot of them are earlier than that.

I'm sure that's the case, but 2024 was the only date Gary mentioned.


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11556 times:

The 717s should be around for several more years before SWA gets rid of them. There's no telling where they could end up. It's true they will not be around in 2024 but don't be surprised if they're still around in 2015 or 2016... 2017 might be a stretch. You can only replace them so fast...


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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11365 times:

Quoting msp747 (Thread starter):
Is this the 100 seat order that Delta had been considering?

There was a good thread here not too long ago on the same topic: Ex-AirTran 717s A Good Fit For Delta? (by mplsjefe Sep 1 2011 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 11232 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):
There are no unclaimed 717's. The last 20 ex Mexicana birds disappeared from Boeing's website the day Delta announced their order for 737-900's. No idea who took them at this point

Rumor is the Mexican 717 are spoken for not domestic. Going through overhaul for new operator.



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1644 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 11163 times:
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Quoting sunking737 (Reply 11):

Rumor is the Mexican 717 are spoken for not domestic. Going through overhaul for new operator.

I've heard from a few different people that it's some Russian or close-by airline.


User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11039 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 12):
I've heard from a few different people that it's some Russian or close-by airline.

Not Russian. More details should start trickling out soon. Everyone will be surprised, and I'm sure there will be many A.net threads about where the planes are going.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10965 times:

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 13):
Not Russian. More details should start trickling out soon. Everyone will be surprised, and I'm sure there will be many A.net threads about where the planes are going.

I'm guessing it's gotta be Delta, for a reason I won't state here. If DL gets their hands on those 717s, DL might as well get their hands on the Saudia MD-90s.

[Edited 2011-12-15 18:47:22]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22306 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10929 times:

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 9):
The 717s should be around for several more years before SWA gets rid of them. There's no telling where they could end up.

Yup. Rumors of the 717's demise are greatly exaggerated, and I expect it'll be a fairly long process. It is (or it should be) obvious that Gary Kelly would have liked FL better if it was an exclusive 737 operator. But it's also obvious that there's a place for a 717-sized airplane at WN, and that WN will make the best of having them in the fleet. You are absolutely right both that they'll be around in 2014 or 2015 and that they are pretty unlikely to be around in 2024 or 2025.



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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10913 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 11):
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):
There are no unclaimed 717's. The last 20 ex Mexicana birds disappeared from Boeing's website the day Delta announced their order for 737-900's. No idea who took them at this point

Rumor is the Mexican 717 are spoken for not domestic. Going through overhaul for new operator.

Anyone near a AAR type of facility?



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User currently offlinesevenfeet From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting jetstar (Reply 7):

True, and among the domestic carriers, American and Delta know the DC-9 family the best. American has it's own problems right now so that leaves Delta. They've been known to snap up planes like this...just look at the MD-90 acquisition strategy (there are 3 examples from China sitting in front of Delta Tech Ops right now). The big issue for Delta is whether this smaller plane with the weird engines is going to provide enough utility and the right price for Delta's routes. The DC-9-30s and 40s are all gone now and the 717 is a comparable fit. The BMW/Rolls Royce engine is probably big issue to maintain, but it's not like the MD-90s don't have an odd engine nobody else is using.

If I were to bet, I'd think that Delta would pass on the 717, but I guess wrong on Delta acquiring more MD-90s. Who knows what will happen.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

Quoting sevenfeet (Reply 17):
True, and among the domestic carriers, American and Delta know the DC-9 family the best.

DL could use them on the DCA-LGA-BOS shuttle. This would enable them to get rid of their small RJ's.



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User currently offlineatlengineer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10746 times:

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 13):
I'm guessing it's gotta be Delta,

Well, let me toss one more theory in here. Perhaps when SW ordered more 737's, they made a deal with Boeing to take back the 717's as 737's were delivered. And since the Mexicana 717's went off the market when DL ordered the 739's, maybe DL agreed to take those planes now and then take up to a certain number of the FL 737's as they come off. Just saying. If SW does not go ahead and paint the 717's, then it just could be.

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User currently offlinevhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10686 times:

Cobham Aviation is another candidate. Qantas announced they will be opening a 717 base in BNE. This will initially be two frames but at the rate resources are booming in Queensland I expect it to grow quickly. They probably don't need the whole 20. But I can see them picking up 5-10 further frames as they come available on the second hand market


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User currently offlinesxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
I'm guessing it's gotta be Delta, for a reason I won't state here. If DL gets their hands on those 717s, DL might as well get their hands on the Saudia MD-90s.

It is not Delta. And, the SV MD-90s aren't coming either. DL can't even induct the MD-90s they have, not to mention the JL MD-90s, which are the next best acquisition candidates. Until TechOps gets their act in order and the backlog of aircraft sitting on the ground disappears, I don't think DL will buy any other used airplanes.

Quoting sevenfeet (Reply 17):
The BMW/Rolls Royce engine is probably big issue to maintain, but it's not like the MD-90s don't have an odd engine nobody else is using.

All of the FL planes are in a total care/power by the hour agreement, so I'm not sure engines are an issue.


User currently offlineHOMSAr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10163 times:

I know! I know!

It's going to be Emirates. They wanted to issue an RFP for a 1000-seat airplane, but a secretary mistyped and dropped a 0.



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 16):
Quoting sunking737 (Reply 11):
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 2):
There are no unclaimed 717's. The last 20 ex Mexicana birds disappeared from Boeing's website the day Delta announced their order for 737-900's. No idea who took them at this point

Rumor is the Mexican 717 are spoken for not domestic. Going through overhaul for new operator.


Anyone near a AAR type of facility?

The only thing I can say is that they are slowly leaving VCV for SAT. I have worked most of them departing VCV.

FX1816


User currently onlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9535 times:
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Quoting FX1816 (Reply 23):
The only thing I can say is that they are slowly leaving VCV for SAT. I have worked most of them departing VCV.

Interesting.... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20111205/1800Z/KVCV/KELP


25 777fan : Sure, but any potential "savings" likely would be negated by the higher cost of running mainline ops versus contracting a regional carrier. Why not a
26 hawaiianstyle : Delta has no plans for the 717's. I sat in a meeting about the 100 planes Delta ordered and they are 737 new generation planes, the last 100!!
27 Post contains images VC10er : Can UA (ex-CO) get rid of 20 E145's.
28 sunking737 : What does that have to do with Airtran/Southwest 717's???
29 FlyASAGuy2005 : DL is not interested. The engines are garbage and they do not seat enough people. The direction DL is going in is to take an airplane that is to seat
30 bobnwa : Why can't 'you state the reason here? As members of theis forum we all have been vetted for top secret material, and obviously we all have a need to
31 1337Delta764 : Okay, the reason is that sxf24 hangs out a lot on the FT Delta forum, so I just took a guess.
32 BasilFawlty : There were indeed rumours a while ago that Russian airline VIM Airlines was interested in the 717.
33 sunking737 : You maybe correct sir
34 bobnwa : I have no idea who axf24 is or what he says ion this forum. Please enlighten me
35 1337Delta764 : FT is for FlyerTalk. He always hangs out at the Delta forum there.[Edited 2011-12-16 08:44:40]
36 sldispatcher : They can park them whenever they like....I believe they own them..but I do not know about any other details. UA/CO is exactly who I thought of as wel
37 s4popo : I wouldn't be surprised if some of them ended up with HA.
38 bmacleod : I hope some if not all Air Tran 717s are taken up by DL; they are too good to be sent to the desert....
39 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Uum . . . Neither CO nor UA owns any E145s. They are owned by subcontractors Expressjet (243) ; Chautauqua (78) , and Trans-States (27) . My guess is
40 sldispatcher : And here I was all along under the mistaken impression that Continental paid for all of those Embraers and was leasing them to ExpressJet all of thes
41 kgaiflyer : Actually, Expressjet is now a wholly owned subsidiary of SkyWest -- who also have ASA in their portfolio. Before that, they were operating out of ONT
42 nws2002 : Right, but the E145s are CO (well UCH now) aircraft, they just lease them to XE.
43 hmelawyer : While CO did divest XE some years ago, and XE did some point to point flying with a number of jets that were dropped from the CO contract after the d
44 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I know what garbage is, and I know what engines are. Nevertheless, I don't understand quite what you are saying. Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 36): UA/
45 HOMSAr : The oldest frames were delivered in the mid-1990s. That puts them around 15 years old or so. High fuel prices and high-CASM airplanes getting up ther
46 Post contains images flyabr : If AirTran had been able to purchase a 717-300...would WN have kept those?? Just wondering aloud!
47 sldispatcher : I thought that was correct, but could not find a reference. When it was time for the E135's to be parked, they sat here in SHV for weeks getting the
48 Post contains images aerorobnz : I always wanted them in NZ colours... now there is a suitable position to cover the gap between ATR72s and A320s. dreams are free...
49 n7371f : This is all correct...Continental (well I guess UCH now) controls the leases on all the of the ERJ fleet and there is a small subfleet, around 20 or
50 Post contains images United_fan : I had a though,you know how AQ used to source 732's to replace theirs that would max out on cycles and time? Maybe HA could sit on these 717's for fu
51 TrijetsRMissed : For this to be possible, HA would need to be committed to the 717 through the late 2020's. I believe their CEO has gone on record to state that HA ar
52 777fan : More importantly, what would they use as a replacement, and is there any chance a new airframe will be developed and deployed before 2020? Doubtful,
53 717fan : Any news where all those 717's go? Thanks 717fan
54 Post contains images akelley728 : Right now one is going to take me to ATL from PHF tomorrow morning. Gotta ride them while they are still in Airtran colors!
55 dlramp4life : I was talking to someone about this last night...we were talking how they could fit perfectly into the DL fleet but looks like WN might be holding on
56 zippyjet : I agree with this. This would divert sales away from Boeing RE 737's and any future replacement for this venerable bird. Chances are the eventual rep
57 Post contains images lightsaber : I wouldn't call them garbage. The issue is they cycles between overhaul is stuck back in the early 1990s standards while today's narrow body engines
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