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RFD Eyes London, Honolulu Service  
User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12445 times:

Had a friend in Rockford just alert me to this, thought you guys would be interested in this. The Airline RFD is asking to do the flying for...?

Mokulele!!!

A Hawaiian airline known for flights between islands wants to leap between continents, connecting Rockford with Honolulu in March, and London in May.

But Mokulele Airlines, through its subsidiary Mokulele Tours, must first get approval from the Federal Aviation Administration to operate public charter flights.

Thursday, it got support from the Greater Rockford Airport Authority, which said it would agree a one-year, $1.4 million revenue guarantee for Mokulele to launch both routes, pending FAA approval. Hawaii service could start March 16.


Will this work? Will it happen? Can RFD support this type of service?

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/brianlea...t-eyes-service-to-honolulu-london/

Alex


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User currently offlineUNITEDNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

wow....someone took my p*pe...didn't know it was RFD management.


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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12281 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
Can RFD support this type of service?

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say no.



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7532 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12241 times:

I'm going to file this in the same folder as:
TVC-Europe charters, circa 2002/2003
LAN-Ireland, circa 2004
Mid-America BLV cargo hub from Asia

Why on earth would RFD subsidize this type of service? Talk about a monumental waste of taxpayer money.


User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12138 times:

It's Illinois. No surprise really.

User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11853 times:
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Is RFD really talking to Mokulele? Sounds like a scam. For one thing, Mokulele is a part 135 carrier only flying 4 Caravans. How in the world are they supposed to start service from RFD in March without the aircraft or certification to do the flight? I also don't know who Mokulele Tours is either. It is not listed as one of their dba's on the FAA site. I don't even think Mokulele even has any subsidiary companies.

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
through its subsidiary Mokulele Tours

If 'Mokulele Tours' functions as a travel company (same as Apple Vacations), and sells packages to London + Honolulu (a la Apple Vacations), I don't see why a scheduled in-season charter wouldn't work from RFD to HNL and/or LON by using another airlines' airplanes. Same setup as Apple Vacations has with other airlines. I think the surprise here is that the talks are going on with Mokulele, and not Allegiant or Apple Vacations, both of which have served RFD for awhile. Consider SY MSP-STN/LGW as an example of such a service.

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11698 times:

Not even close, I know Rockford is a decet sized catchment area, but they won't draw passengers from Chicago area unless the fares are incredibly low, which given the cost of jet A, seems impossible. What type of aircraft is supposed to operate these new routes. Now a direct flight between HNL & LON, with a fueling stop could possibly work, but RFD?
I'd assume the LON flights would land at LGW? Could the 757 do either flight? If so, what about G4 wet leasing for RFD?
Wasn't RFD one of G4's original cities? I first learned of G4 from a client that lived in Rockford.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
Now a direct flight between HNL & LON, with a fueling stop could possibly work, but RFD?

That's what my friend thought it was at first. The Airline doing Honolulu to London with a fuel stop in RFD.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
I'd assume the LON flights would land at LGW? Could the 757 do either flight? If so, what about G4 wet leasing for RFD?

Don't know if you read the article but it says...

Adding flights to Honolulu International Airport and London’s Stansted Airport, about an hour north of the city center, would fit well with the airport’s focus on vacation travelers, and give it a long-coveted international route.

Don't know folks. I am sure they have an aircraft idea in mind, and I think they have it right, it's actually the Travel Company that owns the airline they are talking to and not the airline specifically.

Interesting to see how this turns out.

Alex



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

At least something finally trumped the blunder by TOL and JetAmerica. At least that wasn't completely crazy.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10818 times:

Aren't they setting their sights too high ? I'd start with "Rockford eyes any service at all"

User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
Aren't they setting their sights too high ? I'd start with "Rockford eyes any service at all"

Why Not?

RFD has lot's of service for a city its size. Quite a few Allegiant flights/routes, Frontier to DEN and Direct Air services, as well as the UPS Hub, annnnd Ryan International Operations. RFD is doing pretty damn good in my opinion for its size.

Why not shoot the ball higher and aim for something bigger/better?

Alex



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 11):
Quite a few Allegiant flights/routes, Frontier to DEN and Direct Air services, as well as the UPS Hub, annnnd Ryan International Operations. RFD is doing pretty damn good in my opinion for its size.

So you have two (2) charter carriers, Frontier (aren't they subsidised?), a cargo hub, and Ryan which generally uses RFD as a base as opposed to flying numerous amounts of passengers from there.

Seems approximate in size to another airport I frequent, MYR, and I don't see them gaining HNL or LON service anytime soon (or anytime at all).



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2445 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
Aren't they setting their sights too high ? I'd start with "Rockford eyes any service at all"

lol Yeah it kinda seems like they might be getting A LITTLE too excited over the fact that F9's DEN service started the other day.



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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7217 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 8):
Adding flights to Honolulu International Airport and London’s Stansted Airport, about an hour north of the city center, would fit well with the airport’s focus on vacation travelers, and give it a long-coveted international route.

I would be surprised if they went to STN over LGW.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6890 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 12):

Seems approximate in size to another airport I frequent, MYR, and I don't see them gaining HNL or LON service anytime soon (or anytime at all).

I didn't see RFD either until they were willing to pony the money up for it.

I am not sure why you're going after me about this, I don't support nor even care. Thought it was interesting to see RFD trying to get more routes and flights, Good on them if they can be initiative to get more airlines and routes.

As for MYR, you have a good point, maybe if MYR has the money and willing to pony it up they can try to get some London flights too.

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 14):

I would be surprised if they went to STN over LGW.

True

Quoting jetblast (Reply 12):

So you have two (2) charter carriers, Frontier (aren't they subsidised?), a cargo hub, and Ryan which generally uses RFD as a base as opposed to flying numerous amounts of passengers from there.

That's pretty good for RFD, all of that traffic RFD is getting in terms of aircraft movement is money for RFD. Granted the subsidiary flights won't generate as much, but perhaps it is a different goal. Yes F9 is subsidized I believe.

Alex



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 13):
lol Yeah it kinda seems like they might be getting A LITTLE too excited over the fact that F9's DEN service started the other day.

It actually started this morning **the first OB flight to DEN**(FR 06DEC11) (News reports that the A319 left RFD with only 9 seats empty)   
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 15):
That's pretty good for RFD, all of that traffic RFD is getting in terms of aircraft movement is money for RFD. Granted the subsidiary flights won't generate as much, but perhaps it is a different goal. Yes F9 is subsidized I believe.

YES, it is subsidized.

I think this will be a great fit IF RFD can make it happen!

[Edited 2011-12-16 14:58:54]


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User currently offlineMDTrunner From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 4):
It's Illinois. No surprise really.

I enjoyed that. Blago called the Queen and asked how much she'd pay for this service.


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
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Quoting MDTrunner (Reply 17):
Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 4):
It's Illinois. No surprise really.

I enjoyed that. Blago called the Queen and asked how much she'd pay for this service.

More like he offered the service to get a knighthood!


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
Why on earth would RFD subsidize this type of service?

They seem to think that they can be an ultra low cost airport for Chicago the way SFB is for Orlando I guess. Never mind that if such a thing were needed MKE or GYY would suffice.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 11):
Why not shoot the ball higher and aim for something bigger/better?

Because it takes resources from other projects that may be more realistic. See St. Louis Aerotropolis or whatever they called that thing.



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 15):
I didn't see RFD either until they were willing to pony the money up for it.

I am not sure why you're going after me about this, I don't support nor even care. Thought it was interesting to see RFD trying to get more routes and flights, Good on them if they can be initiative to get more airlines and routes.

As for MYR, you have a good point, maybe if MYR has the money and willing to pony it up they can try to get some London flights too.

I'm not 'going after' anyone, just stating my opinion as I am in a perfectly valid position to do, as this is a public forum. I do, however, believe there is a difference between having an initiative to get more flights as opposed to being completely unrealistic.

MYR seems to me to be too busy making sensible investments such as a terminal expansion to be dealing with trying to get flights to Europe.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2997 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Maybe RFD should aim a little lower like an AA CR7 to DFW or something.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 12):
So you have two (2) charter carriers, Frontier (aren't they subsidised?),

G4 scheduled (LAS/IWA/SFB/PIE)
F9 scheduled (DEN)
F9 charter for Apple Vacations (CUN+PUJ, though F9 have applied to make CUN scheduled)
Direct Air public charter (Punta Gorda)



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 7):
Wasn't RFD one of G4's original cities? I first learned of G4 from a client that lived in Rockford.

Nope. G4 was originally based out of FAT and their first route was FAT-LAS and eventually added a handful of cities throughout the West Coast before filing for bankruptcy in December 2000. They moved to LAS about 10 years ago and started the growth and expansion that created the airline we know today.


Couldn't Mokulele wet-lease a/c from someone like say Omni Air, World or Ryan Int'l to operate these flights on their behalf? To me, that's the only way I could even see these services get off of the ground. Some of the airlines that fly US military charters are going to have some a/c laying around doing nothing now that the US is out of Iraq, and they could use the business and also have the a/c capable of doing such flights.


User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 23):
Couldn't Mokulele wet-lease a/c from someone like say Omni Air, World or Ryan Int'l to operate these flights on their behalf?

srb has a good point T4 (Ryan Intl) is based at RFD and has been primarily doing DOD work. They additionally just began flying VS A333's (on charter in JFK just this morning), so they would be very capable of operating this service with their VS equipment or the B76 fleet.



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25 nomorerjs : RFD eyes anything! With ORD, MKE, and MDW not too far away (and closer to the population, why go to RFD?)
26 penguinflies : might be some deal they are working on with Ryan that involves a DOD contract and making a deadhead flight from Hickam-Mainland US into a live charter
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