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Lion Air Plans New Aircraft Order In February  
User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9107 times:

Looks like Lion Air is not done ordering yet! They planning another order in February.. There is no comment on aircraft type?

"Indonesian low cost carrier Lion Air plans another aircraft order in February 2012, and stressed that its November order for 230 Boeing 737-family aircraft is binding.

"In February next year we will sign another order," said Rusdi Kirana, president director of Lion Air. Rusdi declined to provide any more details of the planned deal.

Any Lion announcement could be timed for the Singapore Air Show that will run from 14-19 February."


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...aircraft-order-in-february-366090/

And from Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...6/uk-lionair-idUSLNE7BF00V20111216


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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2604 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

Crikey, just how many planes are they planning on operating?!


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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9010 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 1):
Crikey, just how many planes are they planning on operating?!

Well now that they have 300+ narrow bodies on order, they need the same amount of wide bodies to compliment!  

Looks like we have found the low cost Emirates of Indonesia!!

-ATLFlyer323



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

Wow, it looks like JT will firm up their November order in January for those 230 B-737s, including 200 B-737MAXs. Could they place another order for the B-737MAX in Feb.? Or would they consuder the NEO? Or could they be looking at a big B-747-8I or B-777-300ER order? JT already has two B-744s, with about 500 seats that it flies to JED and other international locations. Indonesia, even though it is made up of thousands of islands is spread across some 3500-4000 nm and pretty much strattles the equator.

User currently offlineSeaMeFly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

When it comes to this airline, I will believe it when I see it...

User currently offlinehuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Is this related to the new premium airline they just announced?


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User currently offlinehmelawyer From United States of America, joined May 2011, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Since their comments seem to stress the 5000 mile breadth of Indonesia and their network, maybe they will be looking for a plane capable of serving any two cities in the region non-stop. The MAX will not have that type of range. Could they be looking at some widebody options? A350 seems like overkill at this point in their growth. Either 787 or A333 possibly?

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 5):

Is this related to the new premium airline they just announced?

I don't have the link handy, but I think you are on the right track.

As far as others speculation on the BIG birds... I can see a few new Hajj runners? But, I don't see a large WB order in February...

[Edited 2011-12-16 14:35:03]


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5284 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 1):
Crikey, just how many planes are they planning on operating?!

Not this many! Looks like they're trying to become the FR of Asia, an aircraft broker that happens to fly a few airplanes on the side.

I'll be shocked if either the existing MAX order or any new order has any variant in it except the 737-8, which is the easiest and most lucrative to resell.



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
Not this many! Looks like they're trying to become the FR of Asia, an aircraft broker that happens to fly a few airplanes on the side.

In my opening post I included the following link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...6/uk-lionair-idUSLNE7BF00V20111216

And, that seems to be a possibility regarding their future plans....   



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User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7823 times:

Perhaps it is for something like an Embraer E-190 class of airplanes to serve the smaller cities in the domestic network more efficiently?

I don't think Lion Airlines is able to utilise its existing widebody fleet optimally except during the short Haj season and logically is not going to put any more good money into expanding this segment.

The E-190 did make a sales tour to Indonesia sometime in October 2011.

KC Sim


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9466 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

They do have a couple of 747-400s in a high density configuration for charters. It could be an order to replace or supplement those (the order may not be for new aircraft). Other than that, I don't know what else they'd order unless they want to get in a battle and get an A330 sized airplane to compete with the growing Air Asia X network as Air Asia seems to be their primary competition.


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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7271 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Thread starter):

The most interesting quote is will they actually commit to the order when they announce it

"I don't think the president of the United States wants to witness the signing of a non-binding agreement," said Rusdi.

So a "non-binding agreement" - an MoU to reserve some production slots?



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7045 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12):
The most interesting quote is will they actually commit to the order when they announce it

I know... But that doesn't stop the Trolls from trying to tell their version of what other people "really" said or meant...

Quote:

"Indonesian low cost carrier Lion Air plans another aircraft order in February 2012, and stressed that its November order for 230 Boeing 737-family aircraft is binding.

"In February next year we will sign another order," said Rusdi Kirana, president director of Lion Air."


This is the prefect example...

The Airline itself, tells us that it is a "Binding" agreement and they refer to it as an their "Order" and that they will sign "Another Order" and yet we get the constant anti-Boeing drivel that they are not really orders???   



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6895 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Reply 13):

Let the facts speak - it's just like claims that 80 of the Lion Air MAX are conversions from existing orders, when they are not. It's also been stated the MAX orders / commitments are small. A sure sign we're at the height of the cycle when 900 orders and commitments are "small". Go back to 2002 IIRC Boeing booked only 10 777 orders all year. 200+ this year.

If you look at the last update for the 2011 order thread, those numbers tell a story about this years sales and not many are picking up on it, but I won't hijack this thread with the details as even some of the biggest name "analysts" seem to be missing it too  

Regards

Paul



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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 5):
Is this related to the new premium airline they just announced?

Looks like you are correct huaiwei. The new aircraft order in February will be for "Space Jet"... Not a big fan of the name though   

"Indonesian budget carrier Lion Air is heading upmarket with plans to launch its first premium airline, Space Jet, in 2013."

http://www.todayonline.com/Business/...r-details-plan-for-premium-carrier



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

I think this will be another Boeing order. Even if it is a SpiceJet order, Boeing is the clear front runner here, although I think these will be mostly NG's. If it is MAX, I would venture to guess that they will take some of those 146 NG's Lion has on order until the MAX's can be delivered.

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2878 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

One option they cannot take up is Australia, given past refusal by CASA to give them access to the market on safety grounds.

Theres already so much capacity planned, via AK and an expanding GA, along with so many other carriers in Asia, it will be interesting to see how this pans out.


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