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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 445 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

I'm curious to know how many of DLs current fleet have been painted in all of the last four colours;
"Widget" (pre-1997)
"Ron Allen"
"Deltaflot" ("Wavy Gravy")
"Current"

And is it possible that one or more of the 757s in the "Song" colours were also painted in the other four making five total!

I assume that all the aircraft that have been in DLs current fleet more than 14 years would be the ones, that's assuming that none of them skipped the next colour scheme during the course of maintenance. How many other airlines have gone through four colour scheme changes in twelve years (1996-2008 with 1996 being the last year of "Widget" painting to 2008 the first year of the "Current" painting)?

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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

All mainline aircraft are in the current livery now.

Widget- None of the 737-700/800's



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Widget- None of the 737-700/800's

None of the 764ERs or 777s either.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7753 times:
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Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Widget- None of the 737-700/800's

And none of the 777s and 764s. Those never saw the widget livery because they were delivered only in the late 90s/early 00s.

And none of the types that were with Northwest and not with Delta pre merger:
B757-300
A319/320
A330
DC-9-50
B747-400
Those only saw the current livery (late 07-present).

Those are the ones that have seen all four liveries:

B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3069 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7582 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Those are the ones that have seen all four liveries:

B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88

My interpretation of the OP's question is that he wants to know individually which (or at least how many) specific airplanes have been painted in all four liveries, or even five counting Song.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7523 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
My interpretation of the OP's question is that he wants to know individually which (or at least how many) specific airplanes have been painted in all four liveries, or even five counting Song.

Definitely not the 752s that were with Northwest.

Among the three types I mention, the ones that were delivered to Delta prior to 1997. I believe that all the MD-88s were,

I don't have the detailed fleet data but that's how I would pursue the search if I had it on an XL spreadsheet. I would proceed by elimination.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88

Don't forget the domestic non-ER 763s as well; they wore all four liveries.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

There are a few 767-332 domestics that have worn all four liveries. See this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4260499/



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
My interpretation of the OP's question is that he wants to know individually which (or at least how many) specific airplanes have been painted in all four liveries, or even five counting Song.

There was a discussion about this a couple years back. I think I brought it up.

Basically it wasn't what aircraft type but what particular airframe wore all 4 (or 5 if a 757)

Of course the only individual airframes qualifying would be 757-200s, 767-300s, MD-88s or MD-90s

I think it was determined that no particular airframe wore all 4 Delta schemes, but some Song birds wore 4 - the widget, Song, Wavey Gravy then the current.

It was determined that the various MD-80s/757/767 air frames seemed to skip - either went Widget to 1997 to current or
Widget to wavey gravy to current or in the case of some 757s widget to Song to wavey gravey to current, but we couldn't find any data of any going from widget to 1997 to wavey gravy to current or any 757s wearing all 5

Also the Pink 757 was believed to have gone from widget to 1997 to Pink to current.

would also be curious about some Northwest planes still from the 1980s or before that wore:

Northwest 1980s scheme then went bowling shoe to silver to Delta

or in the case of some DC-9s

Republic goose to Republic gray/white to Northwest/Rep hybrid to Northwest 80s to bowling shoe to silver to Delta

Did any DC-9s that flew for either North Central/Southern/ or Hughes Air West make it to Delta?

That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3069 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
Did any DC-9s that flew for either North Central/Southern/ or Hughes Air West make it to Delta?

That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.

Actually, if it came from Hughes Air West, it could conceivably have had nine different schemes. Hughes Airwest had two paint schemes: the original two color scheme which varied (e.g. blue and green or red and gold) and then the Top Banana.


User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
"Current"

For reference purposes, the current livery is known as "Onward & Upward".

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
"Deltaflot" ("Wavy Gravy")

This livery was officially known as "Colors in Motion".

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
Did any DC-9s that flew for either North Central/Southern/ or Hughes Air West make it to Delta?

That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.

Yes. Some of Delta's DC-9-50s started their careers with North Central and still fly (for now) in the DL fleet.



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User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Those are the ones that have seen all four liveries:

B757-200
B767-300ER
MD-88

Don't forget the MD-90.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
Of course the only individual airframes qualifying would be 757-200s, 767-300s, MD-88s or MD-90s

MD-90s I don't think ever wore the 1997 livery, they went straight from the classic Widget to Wavy Gravy.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
I think it was determined that no particular airframe wore all 4 Delta schemes, but some Song birds wore 4 - the widget, Song, Wavey Gravy then the current

There were three or four 767-332s (domestic) that sat outside the TOC for several months awaiting engine maintenance in late 2007/early 2008. While not in the schedule to be painted, they received the 2007 livery early during their downtime. These are some of the same planes that sat in VCV for several years in the newest livery (creating several A.net posts along the way).

One of these planes was N128DL.
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User currently offlinefghtngsiouxatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

It looks like MD-88 925DL has also seen all 4 colors. There are no pictures on Airliners of the Widget scheme or the new livery, but it was delivered in 1988 and therefore would have been painted with the Widget. It is also currently active so it should be in the New livery.


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Edit: It appears 904DL has also seen all 4 liveries. None in Widget (oddly enough being one of the first for DL) and none in the New one, but it is currently active.


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So far I've found 2, so I'm assuming there are some more, too that we're missing.

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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Quoting fghtngsiouxatc (Reply 14):
So far I've found 2, so I'm assuming there are some more, too that we're missing.

Keep in mind that A/C keep their liveries from 6-8 years, so if you know the a/c delivery date and do the math, you can calculate which a/c had all four liveries.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

BTW, all MD-88s were in Wavy Gravy prior to the introduction of the current livery. The only aircraft that still had the Ron Allen livery at the time were some 752s, 763s, and 763ERs.


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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6512 times:

I found three 763-ERs that have had all four liveries:

N171DN
N173DN
N174DN

The most interesting one would be the semi-famous N173DN, as it was painted into the latest scheme while stored and still hasn't returned to service.


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10395 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6470 times:

As you know, some of the a/c went from the Widget to the Wavy Gravy to the current livery, bypassing the Ron Allen livery.....some went from the Widget to the Ron Allen to the current livery, bypassing the Wavy Gravy. IIRC, at some point there were mainline a/c in the Widget or Wavy Gravy or Ron Allen liveries, in the fleet.


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User currently offlineFWA2500 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

There is also a DC-9 still flying with DL that started life with Swissair before finding its way to NW, N671MC.

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User currently offlineswabrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
That is a potential EIGHT different schemes on one airline

North Central - Republic Herman - Republic gray/white - Northwest (Republic merger hybird) - Northwest late 1980s - Northwest Bowling shoe - Northwest silver - Delta.

What about a DC-9 that went DL-SO-RC (SO livery w/ RC titles)-RC-NW (several liveries)-and maybe DL again--if not full livery with DL titles? Is that a possibility?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting swabrian (Reply 20):

What about a DC-9 that went DL-SO-RC (SO livery w/ RC titles)-RC-NW (several liveries)-and maybe DL again--if not full livery with DL titles? Is that a possibility?

Given that legacy Delta never had the DC-9-50, it wouldn't be. All the -30/40s were kept in the redtail until they were retired.

I don't think any of the legacy DL DC-9s made their way back to Delta with the merger (I think they were too early-build and were already retired by NW) but I'm not 100% sure on this.


User currently offlineBigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
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As Stated earlier, I will confirm that no MD-90 ever wore the Ron Allen scheme.


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3761 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3967 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 21):
I don't think any of the legacy DL DC-9s made their way back to Delta with the merger

I think you're right. Because the last of the original Delta DC-9s left the fleet in 1993 so I would be very surprised if any of those early built airframes would still be flying 18 years after. Don't forget that Delta's oldest original DC-9 dates from the 60s.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 17):
N171DN

Yes, I spotted this particular aircraft back in 2001 when it was still wearing the Ron Allen scheme. I took a picture of it on the taxiway at JFK.
It is in my blog on the bottom of the page whose link I post below.

http://ben-boeing767.blogspot.com/

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User currently offlineswabrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 23):
I think you're right. Because the last of the original Delta DC-9s left the fleet in 1993 so I would be very surprised if any of those early built airframes would still be flying 18 years after. Don't forget that Delta's oldest original DC-9 dates from the 60s.

The last DL DC-9 flight was Jan 1, 1993 from DFW to ATL via MEM. The earliest Delta DC-9s were -10s (Delta was the first DC-9 operator), and many of these went to other carriers. But, I am thinking a lot of the DC-9-30s went to SO and Airborne well before 1993. That's why I posted the question if any of these were upgraded and used by NW, and at least got DL titles. I doubted if any were repainted.


25 captainstefan : Don't forget the ex-Eastern oddball, N401EA
26 MSPNWA : I believe N3324L, a DC-93, was the last ex-DL DC-9 left in the NW fleet. It was retired in October, 2008, after the acquisition was underway but befo
27 Post contains images fghtngsiouxatc : I found another one: 935DL has also seen all 4. I was just going off what NASCARAirforce summarized in reply 8. It in fact appears many MD88s wore all
28 NASCARAirforce : But it would have worn less schemes - didnt the Eastern plane go directly to Northwest, never saw life in Republic. Therefore it would have seen East
29 milesrich : I believe that all of the DC-9-14's bought from Douglas, other than the one lost at GSW in a training accident were sold to Southern, and they went t
30 beertrucker : ALL md-88's wore the widget. most not sure number but not all wore ron allen. All wore wavy gravy all wore current.
31 cslusarc : Some personal thoughts, the original widget looks like it was stuck in the 1970s. The big blue cheat line at window level looks ugly on the Original W
32 captainstefan : N600TR as well, though there are no photos in the database pre-NW Bowling Shoe.
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