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Kingfisher To Join One World On Feb.10, 2012  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

I hope it finds the funds/investor to overcome its short term liquidity problem. Opportunities exist for Kingfisher in conjunction with Qantas to enter the Australian market.
MAA would be a nice point in India for one-stop flights to Australia as there would be no backtracking.
AA could reschedule its ORD-DEL flight to provide more convenient connection to other points in India with IT's domestic network.
India-HKG/Tokyo with HKG/Tokyo-NA west coast codeshare on CX/Japan airlines.

I am interested in finding out what others feel are the low hanging fruits that IT can grab once it joins the alliance.

http://business-standard.com/india/n...rline-alliance-in-february/459077/

Quote:
Joining oneworld will give Kingfisher Airlines, which is reeling from a cash crunch and has grounded several of its planes, global visibility and scope to improve revenue by leveraging its schedule.

Kingfisher was expecting at least a five per cent rise in revenue through code-share agreements with partner airlines, an airline official said. “There will be cost savings too through common use of inventories and joint purchases,” he said. Kingfisher had signed a code-share agreement with British Airways in September 2010.

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User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

As I said in yesterday's blog post, there is a good chance that they won't be around long enough to join the alliance.
Honestly, I hope that they are gone by next year. The Indian industry really needs the deficit of capacity if any of the airlines want to even come close to breaking even... It's a sad state of affairs unfortunately.



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1642 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

aeroblogger: nice to see you joined a.net long before internet was born.......... ;P

User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3952 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8910 times:

I thought Kingfisher Airlines were dead? Didn't they have a bunch of A320s repossessed just recently ?

  


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 1):
As I said in yesterday's blog post, there is a good chance that they won't be around long enough to join the alliance.

I expect IT to survive with a much altered ownership structure.

Assuming it does survive and joins OW, I am interested in strategic analysis for IT going forward.


User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 2):
aeroblogger: nice to see you joined a.net long before internet was born.......... ;P

Yeah, not sure why that is. I'm sure it'll get fixed eventually  
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):

I expect IT to survive with a much altered ownership structure.

Assuming it does survive and joins OW, I am interested in strategic analysis for IT going forward.

I'm not willing to predict whether IT will be around in February or not. I feel that their future is basically out of their hands and into the hands of the Indian bureaucracy, and I'm sure you know how unpredictable the bureaucracy is...
They might stick it out, they might go down in flames, I don't know... However, going down in flames is a very real possibility. Just yesterday, it came out that 15 of IT's planes are grounded. Pretty soon, they are going to be dealing with repo... They've gone from "Fly The Good Times" to some really tough turbulence, now it'll be interesting to see what the final result is.



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 1):
As I said in yesterday's blog post, there is a good chance that they won't be around long enough to join the alliance.
Honestly, I hope that they are gone by next year.


Why these harsh words about IT?
Much better to let the entrepreneurs be successful than supporting the outdated and gravely incompetent company called Air India which should have been closed long ago.

Looks like more help can be around the corner for IT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...her-aircraft-idUSLNE7BI01D20111219



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Interesting alliance possibilities in this part of the world.

In the last few years Qantas and JetAirways have had the codeshare arrangement, so this will change to a Qantas/Jetstar arrangement with Kingfisher. But Malaysia Airlines is also supposed to be joining, OW - so we would expect some joint operations between Malaysia and India. Malaysia Airlines already provides a lot of capacity between Australia and India - IT could codeshare one the MH services, and provide more of their own flights to KUL. This would strengthen KUL as a hub in competition to SIN.

Kingfisher to have big plans to operate Ultra Long Haul services - if they still had A345s, Bangalore-MEL-SYD might have been a possibility.

If a codeshare goes ahead, does this mean that Qantas and Jetstar will serve Kingfisher beer on board?


User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 6):
Why these harsh words about IT?
Much better to let the entrepreneurs be successful than supporting the outdated and gravely incompetent company called Air India which should have been closed long ago.

Comparing IT and AI isn't a fair comparison. AI is a government run job creation program. They have every incentive in the world to INCREASE spending, because that stimulates the economy. Making a profit is not really that big of a concern to them. Is AI run badly? Yes, no doubt. But it's on a completely different playing field.

IT has some of the most incompetent airline execs in India. 6E, SG have been demonstrating how an airline in India should be run. Even Deccan, back when it was around, was well managed. IT execs have managed to destroy their brand through Kingfisher Red and a lack of reliability recently. 9W has also been a bit of a mess between 9W, 9Wk, and S2, but they've been doing much, much better than IT.

And add the fact that VM pulled out some of his cash from IT to finance F1, you have to wonder where they are going to get capital from in the future...



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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 8):
Comparing IT and AI isn't a fair comparison.


I mostly agree with your entire post, also that IT could have been much better managed, BUT as long as AI is around, a fair competition is not possible.
To get the Indian aviation market developing, AI should throw in the towel and IT, 9W, Indigo, etc, etc should get a fair chance to prosper.
Not all of them might be successful anyway, but thats a different story.  



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User currently offlineCentre From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Doesn't One World have enough financially troubled members as it is? most of them that is..
Do they need more weight on their shoulders?
OW has some of the most prestigious airlines in the world... It's unfortunate to see it going through this hardship.



I have cut 4 times, and it's still short.
User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 9):
To get the Indian aviation market developing, AI should throw in the towel

I guess we agree except for this point. Your perspective seems to be that because AI is on a different playing field, they should shut down so that they aren't interfering. My dream is for AI to be a flag carrier that I can be proud of, like what Turks think of TK or Thai people think of TG... AI has the potential to be great, and I'd rather have them as one of the great airlines of the world than have them shut down to get out of the way of the likes of 9W and IT.

Then again, I prefer that they don't become too good - Currently, I love the low prices and guarenteed middle seats 
Quoting Centre (Reply 10):
Doesn't One World have enough financially troubled members as it is? most of them that is..
Do they need more weight on their shoulders?
OW has some of the most prestigious airlines in the world... It's unfortunate to see it going through this hardship.

I made this exact point on my blog post about this... The link is on my profile (click my username).

Also, there is a pretty heated thread on this exact topic going on right here at a.net a couple threads down...



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 8):
IT has some of the most incompetent airline execs in India. 6E, SG have been demonstrating how an airline in India should be run. Even Deccan, back when it was around, was well managed. IT execs have managed to destroy their brand through Kingfisher Red and a lack of reliability recently. 9W has also been a bit of a mess between 9W, 9Wk, and S2, but they've been doing much, much better than IT.

= I don't think this is entirely fair. IT's top guy (Mr. SA) is pretty outstanding and had a great track record at SG and before. I don't think you can blame him for the mess he inherited. However, IT's mid/upper management have no ability to think for themselves - some of the VP's I have met are entirely clueless - and basically run an operation deferring to VM more than is needed.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
= I don't think this is entirely fair. IT's top guy (Mr. SA) is pretty outstanding and had a great track record at SG and before. I don't think you can blame him for the mess he inherited. However, IT's mid/upper management have no ability to think for themselves - some of the VP's I have met are entirely clueless - and basically run an operation deferring to VM more than is needed.

Saludos,
A.

Sure, there are some talented execs, but far too many are incompetent. Those few people who know what they are doing can't possibly run an entire airline by themselves...



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User currently offlinecysafan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8501 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 11):

If you are talking about making AI a great flag carrier that the Indians are proud of , I think you are going a bit way too far for now as you can see they are fully owned by the Indian government. AI , being state-owned for too long is no good for the airline 's future as you can see they are struggling and thinking money is not an issue at all because they know the government will push cash into their bank accounts. I think the only way AI can be the pride and joy of India will be privatizing it and stop being fully state-owned. By privatizing it , AI can strategize new ways to earn money on its own rather than asking the state for support. That 's my opinion. Others have their own opinion as well. Welcome aboard btw to this friendly forum.

[Edited 2011-12-20 01:43:54]

User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting cysafan (Reply 14):
If you are talking about making AI a great flag carrier that the Indians are proud of , I think you are going a bit way too far for now as you can see they are fully owned by the Indian government. AI , being state-owned for too long is no good for the airline 's future as you can see they are struggling and thinking money is not an issue at all because they know the government will push cash into their bank accounts. I think the only way AI can be the pride and joy of India will be privatizing it and stop being fully state-owned. By privatizing it , AI can strategize new ways to earn money on its own rather than asking the state for support. That 's my opinion. Others have their own opinion as well.

I agree with this too. A privatization + a cash infusion by the Indian government to get AI back into order would be the idea solution. I guess I'll just have to keep dreaming though  



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8427 times:
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@ Aeroblogger - welcome aboard!
You - and me - can dream on about AI being our nation's standard bearer, but reality is that with the sorry bunch of jokers we have in the govt running AI, it just aint gonna happen! Can you really really imagine them even thinking of selling a piece to say, Ratan Tata? It will mean an end to all the freebies that the babus and their families get.
As for IT, its sad how VJM and his vanity have run it to the ground. They had a great product, a very strong brand and now, sadly its come to this! Their service was like that of the Damania (would you remember from the 90s?) of old. Pity but that's the way the cookie has crumbled.
Dunno if it will die though, I think it'll probably take on a new avatar with change in ownership. In its current form, sadly, IT is beyond repair, whether they join OneWorld or not.


User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8384 times:

Quoting india1 (Reply 16):
@ Aeroblogger - welcome aboard!
You - and me - can dream on about AI being our nation's standard bearer, but reality is that with the sorry bunch of jokers we have in the govt running AI, it just aint gonna happen! Can you really really imagine them even thinking of selling a piece to say, Ratan Tata? It will mean an end to all the freebies that the babus and their families get.
As for IT, its sad how VJM and his vanity have run it to the ground. They had a great product, a very strong brand and now, sadly its come to this! Their service was like that of the Damania (would you remember from the 90s?) of old. Pity but that's the way the cookie has crumbled.
Dunno if it will die though, I think it'll probably take on a new avatar with change in ownership. In its current form, sadly, IT is beyond repair, whether they join OneWorld or not.

Thanks for the kind welcome  

Indeed, you are right about AI. Gov't ownership is here to stay, simply because of the corruption opportunities that it creates. And the sad thing is that almost nothing can be done about it  

I'm not old enough to remember if I ever flew on Damania, or whether I enjoyed the experience. I've heard great things though...

I'm not sure whether IT is quite beyond repair yet though.... There are some steps that could be taken to salvage the airline. For example, a good start would be to appoint me as CEO and give me a massive bonus   



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8291 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
= I don't think this is entirely fair. IT's top guy (Mr. SA) is pretty outstanding and had a great track record at SG and before. I don't think you can blame him for the mess he inherited. However, IT's mid/upper management have no ability to think for themselves - some of the VP's I have met are entirely clueless - and basically run an operation deferring to VM more than is needed.

Saludos,
A.

Hmmm, you should hear what some of us hear about Mr.Aggarwal at SG and why Kalanithi fired him.

The biggest problem with IT is Vijay Mallya, his hair-brained ideas drove IT to the ground. More than half their fleet isn't flying right now - several ATR's are grounded in Chennai, they are in fights with a lot of creditors, in fact their debt doesn't include what they owe several of their creditors



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User currently offlineblooBirdie From Lesotho, joined Sep 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Breaking news from Reuters: More trouble for India's Kingfisher over tax

Quote:
NEW DELHI, Dec 20 (Reuters) - Cash-strapped Indian carrier Kingfisher Airlines has not deposited with the government most of the income tax it deducted from its employees' salaries for the last two fiscal years, junior finance minister told lawmakers on Tuesday.



More at the link...


User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

Many do not want AI to fail completely, but the subsidies have to be cut gradually and the fares should be right sized so that Kingfisher and other airlines can compete fairly. Also if AI is getting heavy subsidies then KF has a right to ask for GoI backed loans. I think in the short term some loans to KF should be considered for the airline to get through this crisis.

User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Fares are already right sized. The subsidies mainly cover the bloated payroll of AI, which are govt sanctioned since AI functions as a job creation program. If the GoI wants to cut subsidies, they have to cut jobs too, so subsidies aren't going anywhere

IT has no "right" to be asking for cash from GoI. GoI owns AI, therefore AI is just asking for cash from its parent company. IT is asking for a bailout, a completely different story. Regardless I'm not too optimistic on them managing to get through the crisis. The article in the post before yours about the tax issues show that
a)IT has been in a cash crunch for at least 2 years without being able to get any respite, and
2)Their finances are worse than originally expected.

This isn't looking too good at all...



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User currently offlineSATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
AA could reschedule its ORD-DEL flight to provide more convenient connection to other points in India with IT's domestic network.

AFAIK AA has already rescheduled its flight to arrive in DEL at 5:45 PM Local time. Its been this way since Summer IIRC.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 21):
IT has no "right" to be asking for cash from GoI. GoI owns AI, therefore AI is just asking for cash from its parent company. IT is asking for a bailout, a completely different story. Regardless I'm not too optimistic on them managing to get through the crisis. The article in the post before yours about the tax issues show that
a)IT has been in a cash crunch for at least 2 years without being able to get any respite, and
2)Their finances are worse than originally expected.

Incidentally, IT's debt is what it owes the banks, not counting what it owes the leasing companies, the catering companies, the oil companies, the ground handling companies, the tax authorities, the AAI, the private airports and so on and so forth. If IT was properly audited total debts and dues will probably be double what is being disclosed. Mallya doesn't have that kind of money.



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User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 23):

Incidentally, IT's debt is what it owes the banks, not counting what it owes the leasing companies, the catering companies, the oil companies, the ground handling companies, the tax authorities, the AAI, the private airports and so on and so forth. If IT was properly audited total debts and dues will probably be double what is being disclosed. Mallya doesn't have that kind of money.

Absolutely. Unless IT manages to get a lot of debt forgiven and the rest of the debt put on a fairly slow payment schedule, they just aren't going to have the cash to keep going. Debt forgiveness and slow payment schedules are possibly though, so it may not be quite the end yet...



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25 Post contains images lightsaber : As long as AI is on a different playing field, all of Indian aviation and the Indian economy will suffer. India needs to sign new bilaterals to expand
26 VV701 : Correct. AA292 departs ORD at 15:40 and, after a 14hr 35min flight, is scheduled at DEL at 17:45 the following day.
27 AeroBlogger : Nope, this comes from the wars/their continued support of Pakistan. It's a shame really - India and China together would be a formidable force in alm
28 gr8circle : Bear in mind that AI has been a fully govt owned company since the early 1950's....yet, in the 60's and 70's, AI was one of the most highly rated air
29 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Yes it has. Bilaterals are not just for airlines and in general the Indian bilaterals limit both sides to the same number of flights and seats. So ho
30 nomorerjs : Let Kingfisher fly ORD-DEL and have AA move to ORD-BOM. Win - win for all!
31 LAXDESI : Thanks for the info. This schedule does provide opportunities for many one-stop USA-DEL and India-ORD connections. IT has no aircraft that can cover
32 AeroBlogger : Maybe a couple years ago. I've been flying both airlines for 5 or 6 years now, and there is no doubt in my mind that AI>>>>>>IT in
33 Post contains links AeroBlogger : http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...e-flights/articleshow/11192690.cms Things just keep getting worse and worse for them...
34 PezySPU : Half of the fleet grounded, frozen bank accounts, ... It seems that problems just keep on popping-up for them. I'd be very surprised if they make it p
35 AeroBlogger : If they make it past February, they might stand a chance... alliance feed/alliance FFP can't be underestimated. However, I would not be surprised in t
36 Post contains images gr8circle : Very true......last year I flew on both AI and IT.....AI on a domestic sector in India (A319) and IT on an international sector (A332)......the AI fl
37 Post contains images lightsaber : Interesting. I will have to ask those who have flown AI recently. Unfortunatley, *every* person I know who has flown AI in the last 7 years swore the
38 Post contains images AeroBlogger : I don't agree. Currently, IT's load factors are around 30%. Joining an alliance will have a much larger impact on them than it would to an airline wi
39 YVRLTN : Just curious, If AI are unable to reform for Star, how on earth will IT comply for OW? Surely such an airline would not be looked upon by an alliance
40 AeroBlogger : AI diverted all of its resources merging AI and IC for the few years after they were invited to *A, and that's why they weren't able to comply in a ti
41 COEWR787 : Speaking of IT, I just tried to fly IT domestically last Monday and after being jerked around with schedule changes and last minute flight cancellatio
42 PezySPU : Not surprising if you consider that 15 of their aircraft were grounded. Or was that before the grounding?
43 AeroBlogger : It's not just the grounding. IT is cancelling routes with multiple frequencies a day and consolidating to 1 or 2 flights. This is because they: 1) Ca
44 Cricket : With what? They never took up the A345's? Better still if the LHR and HKG flight timings are well managed (if the 332's keep on flying) they can bett
45 AeroBlogger : Also, with what equipment can AA serve ORD-BOM? I thought they were pushing their fleet to the max range-wise with ORD-DEL already...
46 Post contains images lightsaber : We are talking IT. It is the information technology portion (code-share, ticket sales, seat availability checking, etc.) that takes the most work. Co
47 tonystan : It costs a lot of money to integrate and maintain a new airline into a global alliance, this is one of the reasons Aer Lingus decided to leave Oneworl
48 AeroBlogger : This. The compliance officer signed off that AI had met the requirements, but *A told AI that if they don't let 9W in too, their application would be
49 Asiaflyer : Sounds like a very loose rumor, as *A could still invite 9W into the alliance after AI entered. That probably sums up ITs largest problem now. People
50 AeroBlogger : No, they couldn't. 9W requires gov't approval to join an alliance, as does any other airline in any other country. Apparently, *A wanted GoI to appro
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