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Pan Am DC9 Houston-San Antonio?  
User currently offlineogre727 From UK - England, joined Feb 2005, 727 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

So I know Pan Am did not operate DC9s (I think)... why are they listed on this timetable between Houston and San Antonio?

http://www.departedflights.com/PA090882p16.html


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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Could it be a legacy of the National Airlines take over? Not sure if they had DC9s or not have a feeling they had DC8s and I know they had DC10s, so clearly a McDD customer. Perhaps it was left over post-NA merger - just a thought

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5317 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

It was Emerald Airlines functioning in a Pan Am Express capacity.


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Emerald code-shared with PA and CO for a bit. When they went bust, their certificate was used for the third incarnation of Braniff.

http://www.braniffpages.com/1984/1984.html


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3090 times:

Quoting n729pa (Reply 1):
Could it be a legacy of the National Airlines take over? Not sure if they had DC9s or not have a feeling they had DC8s and I know they had DC10s, so clearly a McDD customer.

The original National Airlines never had DC-9s. They had DC-8s, DC-10s and 727s in the jet era. Of course the original PA never had DC-9s (or 737s) either. They did have 727-100s for their intra-Germany routes.


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
The original National Airlines never had DC-9s. They had DC-8s, DC-10s and 727s in the jet era. Of course the original PA never had DC-9s (or 737s) either. They did have 727-100s for their intra-Germany routes.

The original Pan Am most certainly did have 737's, -200's to be exact that they purchased or leased used, that were formerly with Air Florida and before that United, as well as former PSA, LH, PW ships and others. I flew PA to GIG in 1989 from ATL via MIA and returned to Atlanta on a -222 with an AF registration. There are numerous pictures of them on this website. Not only were they used stateside but on inter German services. Pan Am never purchased any new from Boeing, but they didn't purchase any 720B's from Boeing either, but they sure as heck operated them. If you are referring to the original Pan Am as pre National merger, then you are correct; all the 737's came in the 80's.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 5):
The original Pan Am most certainly did have 737's, -200's to be exact that they purchased or leased used, that were formerly with Air Florida and before that United, as well as former PSA, LH, PW ships and others.

Yes, I knew that. I meant the original REAL Pan Am before the NA merger and domestic operation. I knew about the 720s.


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
The original National Airlines never had DC-9s. They had DC-8s, DC-10s and 727s in the jet era.

National surely did have 2 747-100's also. They later went on to NWA.

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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4078 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Here ya go.......

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Photo © Thomas Millard




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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8313 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Pan Am DC-9 (goes round collecting winnings off lots of a.netters...)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2563/3974897912_825a3d0741_z.jpg?zz=1

OK it never flew. But that is a DC-9, is it not? In whose livery?

[Edited 2011-12-21 13:34:00]


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User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1208 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
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Quoting cedarjet (Reply 9):

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Pan Am DC-9 (goes round collecting winnings off lots of a.netters...)
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2563/3974897912_825a3d0741_z.jpg?zz=1

OK it never flew. But that is a DC-9, is it not? In whose livery?

   Sure is a DC-9, or what is left of it.   



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User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

That photo could just as easily be a DC-8 if I am not mistaken.

User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):

The inverted Pan Am jetway logo looks futuristic and modern  



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1276 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 11):
That photo could just as easily be a DC-8 if I am not mistaken.

No, it's missing the nose chin scoops for the turbo-compressors. Even when converted to a Series 70s, they were still present but faired over.


User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

I stand corrected....interesting photo then....

Wait a minute--didn't Northeast merge with National which then merged with PanAm????

Northeast flew DC-9s....


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 14):
Wait a minute--didn't Northeast merge with National which then merged with PanAm????

No. Northeast merged with Delta around 1972. I'm not aware of anyone ever merging with National before PanAm.


User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

You are right....ok I tried.

I am not aware of any DC-9's then serving in PanAm colors....unless they did one up for a movie or something, or one of the original -10's was done up in Pan Am colors--although since they didn't take any, I'd think it would have been repainted....

I respectfully defer to the rest of you in solving this mystery..oh and Happy Holidays all....


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26517 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting Art at ISP (Reply 11):
That photo could just as easily be a DC-8 if I am not mistaken.

Not possible due to the door placement and much smaller, closely-spaced windows. DC-8 windows were roughly twice as large and more widely-spaced (on 40-inch centers I believe vs. 20 inches for the DC-9).


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3452 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

I'll bet they were CO flights right after they took over Texas International. In order words, an old day version of a code share.

Those flights don't show in the Itinerary section at the end of the PA timetable, even though all other comparable domestic flights do (with 727s). The Departed Flights web site didn't have a CO/TI timetable from exactly the same date as the PA timetable that the OP linked to. However, they did have one dated three months earlier and did have several IAH-SAT flights.

[Edited 2011-12-21 14:51:02]

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