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Disgusting Discrimination Against LAN Argentina  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

OK, I don't want to start a war of nationalism and chauvinism in the forum, but the last moves from the ANAC ( Argentina's aviation authorities ) are absurd. They are forbidding LAN Argentina to operate regional flights from Aeroparque, saying that the reason is the airport is overloaded, but two weeks ago they granted new operations for Austral from the same airport.
This is the consequence of ignorant and corrupt people ( AR is under the control of the President's Son, who don't know a word about aviation !!!!! ) in charge of high positions that they clearly don't deserve.
They are trying to save AR at any cost, and probably the violation of some rules or international regulations here and there are not a problem.

( Sorry Spanish links only ).

http://www.emol.com/noticias/economi...s-regionales-desde-aeroparque.html

http://www.emol.com/noticias/economi...on-de-vuelos-desde-aeroparque.html



Can LAN Argentina ask for help to somebody here ? ICAO ? IATA ? WTO ? Chilean Gov ? Who can help in a situation like this ?

Any insight will be appreciated.

G.


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User currently offlinePDPsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1119 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12241 times:

Anyone with even a remote understanding of commercial aviation in Argentina should not be surprised by this. The LAN subsidiary in Argentina, 4M, is not the first carrier to face the wrath of the Argentine government. Other carriers, including PU, have publicly stated they have been barred from operating flights from markets such as BRC and ROS.

LAN is very experienced with operations in Argentina and they must have some understanding of how to deal with this.

Argentina is certainly not an open market for commercial aviation.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12107 times:

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 1):
Anyone with even a remote understanding of commercial aviation in Argentina should not be surprised by this. The LAN subsidiary in Argentina, 4M, is not the first carrier to face the wrath of the Argentine government. Other carriers, including PU, have publicly stated they have been barred from operating flights from markets such as BRC and ROS.

LAN is very experienced with operations in Argentina and they must have some understanding of how to deal with this.

Argentina is certainly not an open market for commercial aviation.

I agree with you, I'm not surprised... I'm tired !!!!
This people do whatever they want without receiving any punishment from higher powers, and that is why I'm asking: Can somebody, in the international level ( like IATA, ICAO, WTO , ETC ) punish this kind of actions ? Is there any code, regulation or treaty in force to protect decent companies of this kind of governments ?

G.



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User currently offlineAeroBlogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12039 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 2):
I agree with you, I'm not surprised... I'm tired !!!!
This people do whatever they want without receiving any punishment from higher powers, and that is why I'm asking: Can somebody, in the international level ( like IATA, ICAO, WTO , ETC ) punish this kind of actions ? Is there any code, regulation or treaty in force to protect decent companies of this kind of governments ?

G.

No. What they're doing isn't forbidden in any way. Governments are free to regulate aviation however they wish when it comes to route authorities, slots, etc.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12023 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 2):
This people do whatever they want without receiving any punishment from higher powers, and that is why I'm asking: Can somebody, in the international level ( like IATA, ICAO, WTO , ETC ) punish this kind of actions ? Is there any code, regulation or treaty in force to protect decent companies of this kind of governments ?

I don't think there is anything that can be done as is the government that makes it's own domestic laws, and there is obviously no Domestic Open Skies kind of treaty that the Argentine government would be bound by.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11837 times:

If I'm not mistaken airfares in Argentina are regulated so even if 4M would be allowed by Argentina ANAC to fly domestic out of EZE, they wouldn't be able to attract passengers w/ its lower fares with whatever AR offers out of most convenient AEP,
We don't even see Venezuela's Civil Aviation protecting Conviasa at the expense of other airlines the very same way Argentina's ANAC does with AR and Austral.



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User currently offlineJetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

So does this mean that 4M will have to transfer all of their current flights to EZE?

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
If I'm not mistaken airfares in Argentina are regulated

And so expensive as well...especially for foreigners!
$220 to Iguzau
$215 to Mendoza
$260 to Salta
$300 to Bariloche


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Can LAN Argentina ask for help to somebody here ? ICAO ? IATA ? WTO ? Chilean Gov ? Who can help in a situation like this ?

Yes, from Argentinian justice. I'm sure that they will have to fight up the way to Supreme Court. But, honestly, that won't get them far. They should start lobbying Congress for laws that corner the ANAC into transparency. Then, going after their rights in individual claims will be easier.

My opinion is that they should try everything they can from AEP, but we all know that AR is struggling at EZE, so they should just go after them there.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
If I'm not mistaken airfares in Argentina are regulated so even if 4M would be allowed by Argentina ANAC to fly domestic out of EZE, they wouldn't be able to attract passengers w/ its lower fares with whatever AR offers out of most convenient AEP,

When fares are regulated, you attract passengers with service.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
OK, I don't want to start a war of nationalism and chauvinism in the forum,




I believe you have started a war of nationalism and chauvinism, while saying you don't want to


User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11497 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 2):
I agree with you, I'm not surprised... I'm tired !!!!
This people do whatever they want without receiving any punishment from higher powers, and that is why I'm asking: Can somebody, in the international level ( like IATA, ICAO, WTO , ETC ) punish this kind of actions ? Is there any code, regulation or treaty in force to protect decent companies of this kind of governments ?

They received their punishment already... how many times has AR gone on strike stranding thousands of passengers in the last 5 years. Foreign airlines have taken market share from AR at a very fast pace and, when Argentina was downgraded to CAT II by the US, AR lost most of its loyal customers on US to Argentina routes. We all know that domestic operations in Argentina are not profitable since prices are regulated by the government. AR is the only airline flying to many small airports because the government wants to maintain connectivity, but taxpayers in Argentina are the ones taking the bill...


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
transparency

Well, you can dream about that in Argentina... but don't expect too much when you wake up. If you take a look to the ranking at Transparency International you will see Chile in position 22, Uruguay in 25.....and Argentina is the number 100.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ex-2011-transparency-international

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 9):
I believe you have started a war of nationalism and chauvinism, while saying you don't want to

I don't think so. Until now I don't see any inadequate post in this thread from our members in Argentina.



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5126 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11348 times:

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 3):
No. What they're doing isn't forbidden in any way. Governments are free to regulate aviation however they wish when it comes to route authorities, slots, etc.
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 9):
I believe you have started a war of nationalism and chauvinism, while saying you don't want to

= Agreed to both.

Personally, I hardly would think this is discrimination - it is Argentinian law, and if LAN cannot play accordingly, it should perhaps not be in the Argentine marketplace. Pretty simple as that.

In my mind, tying these things to a strong word like "discrimination" undervalues the world itself - discrimination is what Mapuche or Rapa Nui natives suffer in Chile. So let's keep things in perspective shall we?

Saludos,
A



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User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11203 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Personally, I hardly would think this is discrimination - it is Argentinian law, and if LAN cannot play accordingly, it should perhaps not be in the Argentine marketplace. Pretty simple as that.

In my mind, tying these things to a strong word like "discrimination" undervalues the world itself

Oh really ? Can you then explain why this situation ONLY affects LAN ? When you apply a restriction to only one ( person, company, organization ) among others who play the game under the same rules and pay the same taxes, that is discrimination. Period.

The only reason for the decision of the ANAC is, they don't have a decent airline in the country for decades, and are afraid that LAN and its standard can show to the argentinian people how a decent airline should be.

G.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11172 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 11):
Well, you can dream about that in Argentina... but don't expect too much when you wake up. If you take a look to the ranking at Transparency International you will see Chile in position 22, Uruguay in 25.....and Argentina is the number 100.

I'm not talking about aspects outside aviation. If LAN is able to demonstrate to the governments of the provinces that they could have more flights with more transparency and equality by the civil aviation regulator, they could be compelled to exert pressure in that direction. It's not a question of revoking AR's privileges, but removing its subjectivity.

Now talking about a specific issue in that area. Why is it that 4M is now annually applying for EZE-GIG with the Brazilian ANAC, but withdrawing the application some days later? Is the Argentinian ANAC vetoing that too?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 13):
Oh really ? Can you then explain why this situation ONLY affects LAN ?

I believe Argentina's ANAC also gives Andes (partially owned by SLA provincial government) a hard time.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 14):
I'm not talking about aspects outside aviation. If LAN is able to demonstrate to the governments of the provinces that they could have more flights with more transparency and equality by the civil aviation regulator, they could be compelled to exert pressure in that direction.

Putting some pressure thru the provincial governments could achieve something. But the provincial governments shouldn't forget that they are on one side while ANAC, AR/Austral and the Argentine airports operator (notable exception ROS) are in the other.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6475 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10845 times:
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Quoting PDPsol (Reply 1):
Argentina is certainly not an open market for commercial aviation.

Unfortunately Argentina is trying to manage its economy going the protectionist way. Books from Spanish Editorials were banned a few months ago, bananas from outside Argentina are stranded in the border as of yesterday, it has imposed very strict foreign currency controls, etc. This spat with 4M is just the latest of these types of measures. PU is also suffering. And according to Clarín, the 4M restrictions was specifically a direct request from AR´s manager, Recalde.

If the Argentines want to go down that road with their economy, it´s their choice, I guess, but I firmly believe they are only heading for just another of their periodical crisis that every 8 to 12 years bankrupts them.

Quoting AeroBlogger (Reply 3):
No. What they're doing isn't forbidden in any way. Governments are free to regulate aviation however they wish when it comes to route authorities, slots, etc.

I don´t know the type of bilaterals Argentina has signed with its bordering countries. But if they have one in place with Chile that regulates 4M´s ops, then, no, legally, they are not free to do "however they wish."

I frankly find it stupid that the Presidents of these two blocks, UNASUR and Mercosur, are getting together often and blabbering about integration and a common front againts their imperialist enemies to the North wihile back at home they are fighting each other out with tariffs on imports, sudden taxes, restrictions of money flows, etc. and other dumb measures.

Quoting Jetsetter629 (Reply 6):
So does this mean that 4M will have to transfer all of their current flights to EZE?

The international ones operated form AEP, yes.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
In my mind, tying these things to a strong word like "discrimination" undervalues the world itself - discrimination is what Mapuche or Rapa Nui natives suffer in Chile. So let's keep things in perspective shall we?

It´s commercial discrimination, bullying, protectionism, whatever word you want to use. I don´t find the term discrimination too distant from what is going on in Argentina commercially with its neighbors. And while I agree with your comment about the native Chileans, this is not the thread to bring that up.

I would suggest though, that for the sake of this thread, which is very interesting, not being locked, certain posts need to be toned down. Let´s keep our heads cool.

[Edited 2011-12-21 15:53:12]

User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10571 times:

The title hyped this up a little. Just an example of the world we live in. Governments can do and regulate whatever they want. I'm pretty sure LAN will survive this.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10439 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
They are forbidding LAN Argentina to operate regional flights from Aeroparque, saying that the reason is the airport is overloaded,

LAN Argentina only operates three daily international flights from AEP: AEP-SCL daily and AEP-GRU 2x daily. LAN Airlines operates SCL-AEP 2x daily. Should LAN Argentina be forced to discontinue its three daily international flights at AEP, LAN Airlines will operate SCL-AEP 3x daily and LAN Argentina would transfer the two daily flights between AEP and GRU back to EZE. The excuse that the ANAC is using in trying to make LAN Argentina transfer its three daily international flights from AEP to EZE is simply false and discriminatory. For example, the Argentine authorities are also trying to block LAN from transferring a third B-767-316ER to LAN Argentina so that LAN Argentina could increase frequency on the EZE-MIA route.


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10167 times:

I'm suspect the OP wouldn't bat an eyelid if something similar was done in Chile to protect LAN from competition sometime in the future, specially when LAN is on the road to trying to stablish a monopoly on the south-american market with its TAM merger.

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9952 times:

Now that I have read more descriptive articles about the problem, I understand this specific problem better. Well, it is a scandalous discrimination against an Argentinian private company. If the regulation was really declaring AEP a monopoly for state-owned airlines for international flights, there would be no discussion. Furthermore, it does not seem clear if 4M will be able to retain the slots for domestic service.

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9808 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 19):
I'm suspect the OP wouldn't bat an eyelid if something similar was done in Chile to protect LAN from competition sometime in the future, specially when LAN is on the road to trying to stablish a monopoly on the south-american market with its TAM merger.

Your suspicion is incorrect. We have Open Skies, anyone with the money and the correct product can come and try whenever they want. If nobody tries, that is maybe a consequence of the strong position of LAN, and LAN has the position it has because they are doing ( for many years ) the things right. I found really amazing that many people consider any kind of success like a sin. It seems that for some people doing the things wrong and asking later the help of the tax payers is the correct way to do things.

In any case for the LATAM issue, there is another active forum for that discussion.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 12):
Personally, I hardly would think this is discrimination - it is Argentinian law, and if LAN cannot play accordingly, it should perhaps not be in the Argentine marketplace. Pretty simple as that.

In my mind, tying these things to a strong word like "discrimination" undervalues the world itself - discrimination is what Mapuche or Rapa Nui natives suffer in Chile. So let's keep things in perspective shall we?

Saludos,
A

     

I cant agree more!

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 13):
The only reason for the decision of the ANAC is, they don't have a decent airline in the country for decades, and are afraid that LAN and its standard can show to the argentinian people how a decent airline should be.

Maybe this is discrimination? Please, if you are so over your own limits over such a small thing that you cant control yourself from spitting out stupid statements, don't come here and say that LA is the only victim, or at least try to calm down.

With all due respect, the above statement pretty much shows how little you know about 4M and about Argentina.
Lets also respect Argentina and its history, AR was once a great airline (especially in the 80s) and actually bigger than what LAN Chile is today (destination-wise). So if you think LAN can show the Argentinian people how a decent airline should be, you are totally wrong. And while you are accusing ANAC for discrimination (which it isn't - read Abrelosojo's post) you are all of the sudden discriminating the Argentinians with the above statement.

4M sure has taken a big hit by ANAC, but 4M isn't doing very well either, they've been struggling to make profit on some routes, even their AEP-ROS has been a back-and-forth going for them as they seem to do profit and sometimes not in that route. 4M has been thinking of adding ROS-LIM-ROS because it looks like LP will be denied a contract renewal in the LIM-ROS-LIM run. It will make the route AEP-ROS worthwhile because the profit on ROS-LIM-ROS will outweigh the loss in AEP-ROS-AEP.
4M has also had some problems with their crew striking every now and then although not very noticeable, the crew work more than they should sometimes, and get very low pay for that.

AU is also a great competitor to 4M, now that they have added newer aircraft, routes and a new product with PTVs in their E190s, so 4M is not the obvious best choice.

I don't agree with ANAC and their move, but as Abrelosojos said, its the law. 4M will just have to switch their regional operations to EZE, not much of a big deal.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 22):
4M sure has taken a big hit by ANAC, but 4M isn't doing very well either, they've been struggling to make profit on some routes, even their AEP-ROS has been a back-and-forth going for them as they seem to do profit and sometimes not in that route.

Get your facts straight! LAN Argentina does not even operate into ROS!

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 22):
4M has been thinking of adding ROS-LIM-ROS because it looks like LP will be denied a contract renewal in the LIM-ROS-LIM run. It will make the route AEP-ROS worthwhile because the profit on ROS-LIM-ROS will outweigh the loss in AEP-ROS-AEP.

LAN Perú was just recently authorized to operate the LIM-ROS route daily on a year-round basis!

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 22):
4M will just have to switch their regional operations to EZE, not much of a big deal.

The Chilean Government has intervened in the matter and regional flights will continue at AEP for now. The matter will be discussed between both the Chilean and Argentine Presidents when the Argentine President makes an official visit to Santiago de Chile next month. BTW, LAN Argentina just received its 12th A-320 (LV-CSQ) in order to increase frequencies on certain routes and open a new route!


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

I'm not saying there aren't problems in Argentina particularly the aviation sector, but to call discrimination against LAN disgusting is a bit over the top. All over the world airlines are discriminated against (or more correctly excluded), because of national policies/rules. Very few countries operate open-skies in the international sense and many more don't allow domestic open skies either. Usually in both cases an airline has to be at least 51% locally owned. Even then protections are still in place. It is very hard for this to change because the first countries to do this usually end up with damage to their own airline/s or economy. It needs to be a world wide change at the same time organised presumably through ICAO. It is slowly moving this direction but I think it will take at least another 20 years before we have proper open skies in most countries.


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25 SCL767 : The issue is that the Open Skies Treaties between Argentina and both Chile and Perú are disregarded by the ANAC and this is not the first time that
26 Gonzalo : Mmm, I can see "a lot of respect" in your post. I did. And you, like him, are trying to justify the ANAC actions with unrelated things like the Mapuc
27 Arcano : Yes, it's discrimination everytime regulators don't apply the same rule for all competitors in certain industry. You can agree with it calling regulat
28 CamiloA380 : When did I say they operate that route today? If it appears so, then I'm sorry, didn't mean exactly that. The new extension is to 28th Feb in order t
29 Post contains images mandala499 : Because 4M is effectively, an Argentinian company, it is purely an Argentinian issue, and not something for ICAO, IATA, WTO or for the Chilean govern
30 Post contains links SCL767 : It is highly likely that it will be extended since AR is restructuring its operations at ROS. http://bit.ly/rNdyTS Also, SCL-IQQ-SLA will operate 2x
31 aerokiwi : What a strange approach. That doesn't invalidate the OP's raising of the issue and questioning whether or not it is protectionism/discrimination. Oth
32 SCL767 : Indeed, it's just another example of discrimination against LAN Argentina since the ANAC claims that AEP is congested and the only carrier requested
33 mandala499 : I'm sorry if you missed my point, but... the question on the Argentinian government's actions is very valid! But, for the following: ICAO doesn't dea
34 SCL767 : Who says that LAN Argentina does not want to continue expanding domestically with-in Argentina to smaller cities? LAN Argentina was hoping to open tw
35 md11JUNKIE : I'm sorry, Gonzalo. I still haven't seen any kind of "Resolution" by the ANAC - they should be published. So... where's the discrimination? Sorry, tho
36 C010T3 : I'm not even discussing the discrimination against foreign airlines at AEP. That has already happened when it opened for Southern Cone traffic. The A
37 mandala499 : IRJ, JUJ, MDQ, RES??? They're not those "many small airports because the government wants to maintain connectivity," I'm talking about places like RE
38 SCL767 : IMO, 4M wouldn't slash its three daily international flights at AEP; especially considering that AR operates significantly more international flights
39 Arcano : Regarding this thread we mean under Chilean regulation there's no limit for foreigners to own airlines in Chile when forming a Chilean company, so no
40 SCL767 : For a small country, domestic travel is increasing dramatically with-in Chile, (a 20% increase compared to last year). PU's entrance in the Chilean d
41 2travel2know2 : If 4M was to move all its operations (except, perhaps some strategically timed AEP-COR/MDZ, even AEP-TUC/SLA daily frequencies) to EZE would the Argen
42 Arcano : Really the third? Aren't those from Asia and even Africa coming first? It would be great! Though following Lan psyche, I think we'll have to look fir
43 SCL767 : ANA and JAL are the two first B-787 operators respectively. Considering that LATAM is looking towards doubling its fleet, it will give LATAM signific
44 Post contains images Gonzalo : I don't understand why, after following all the local legislation about an airline operation in the country, LAN has to make any concessions to the A
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