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What Will Happen To BmiBaby?  
User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8932 times:

Will BmiBaby remain as a separate entity or will it be absorbed into BA much like the BMI Mainline services?

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

Id say broken up and "asset" stripped- someone will bound to want some ageing cheapo 737's

User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8851 times:

If LH doesn't manage to sell WW before the completion of the deal with IAG, price would be significantly reduced. Someone mentioned that 4U might take WW and wind it down which I think is quite possible if no other airlines show interest for WW. However, since LH doesn't plan to earn much from this deal short-term anyway, I wonder if they think it's worth the extra hassle. In that case, they might leave it to IAG.

User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8822 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 1):
Id say broken up and "asset" stripped- someone will bound to want some ageing cheapo 737's

All those 737s are leased, they're not BMIbaby assets. That's exactly why no-one wants to buy the airline - it has nothing of intrinsic value.


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

I put my money on that WW will be bought by LS within a few years.


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 4):

I put my money on that WW will be bought by LS within a few years.

The decision over the future of BmiBaby has to be completed within the the next few months. Time is of the essence !


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 3):
it has nothing of intrinsic value.

LHR slots?



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User currently offlineflycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

What LHR slots? They don't have any

User currently offlineboysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 6):
LHR slots?

BmiBaby? err no.
I too favour LS purchasing as it will give them a BHX base which would be their next logicial geographic expansion whilst keeping fleet commonality at the same time.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting boysteve (Reply 8):

BmiBaby? err no.

My bad, thought we were discussing the grownup version.



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User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8324 times:

Quoting boysteve (Reply 8):
I too favour LS purchasing as it will give them a BHX base which would be their next logicial geographic expansion whilst keeping fleet commonality at the same time.

I would agree, despite all of the aircraft being on lease they have a pool of licensed crews they can easily absorb while taking on the leases if they want to. If not there are plenty of still usefull 733s and 735s out there. LH have plans to retire thier 737 classics, they've got to go somewhere  

Would be nice to see LS in BHX.

[Edited 2011-12-23 11:49:30]

User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

It has been determined that the WW business has negative value. Neither LH nor BA really want to be seen to be shutting down a business in the current econmic climate but will no doubt do so, if required.

LH will attempt to "sell" it, with LS seeming the only likely buyer. I use the word "sell" as LH will have to give it to LS with a dowry (they have admitted as much as by publicly saying that the BMI price to IAG/BA is reduced if WW is included - the reduction presumably equates to the cost of shutting WW down). So long as the dowry that goes with WW is less than the reduction in price paid by IAG then the deal works for LH.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

Anybody thought about Vueling? They seem to be willing to expand and after TLS and AMS they could a UK base.


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User currently offlineGingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

I would go with LS also, which would give them access into BHX as mentioned. This would also allow them a much larger presence at EMA.

I was going to suggest BE (who are part owned by IAG) but I can't see them being interested in taking on that.



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User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 13):
I was going to suggest BE

I think BE would be more interested in BMI Regional which I do not think BA will want to keep either.

Maybe easyjet for BMIBaby?


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 14):
Maybe easyjet for BMIBaby?

Why would Easyjet bother? I can't see WW has anything Easyjet need (not slots nor aircraft). If Easyjet want to operate the WW routes they can simply start up those routes in competition. Why take on the staff issues and liabilities when you don't need to?



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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Ideally, IAG does not want to buy either business. Mr Walsh said “detailed” talks have taken place with interested parties in relation to BMI Regional and some “early discussions” in relation to BMI Baby.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1223/1224309416380.html



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User currently offlineemalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

I wonder what this means for my local airport EMA?

I have flown WW plenty of times and really like their product. It always feels slightly better than what Ryanair have on offer.

Will be a shame to see BMIbaby go   


User currently offlineTCASAlert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Quoting emalad (Reply 17):
I wonder what this means for my local airport EMA?

I have flown WW plenty of times and really like their product. It always feels slightly better than what Ryanair have on offer.

Same here, they offer great flight times to Scotland and Europe and a great service too. Not entirely sure who will take their place, LS are expanding at EMA but they seem more interested in the bucket and spade routes. U2 only just pulled out, and FR have a completely different type of destination. I guess we will find out in the next few months.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Highly doubt Jet2 will go for WW. BHX is not on their wishlist I wouldnt have thought.


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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 19):
BHX is not on their wishlist I wouldnt have thought

Why not ? They dont seem to be "frightened" of anyone and I cant imagine Monarch at BHX are of particular concern. New bases up for consideration all the time if LPL, SEN as the latest are anything to go by.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 20):
Why not ? They dont seem to be "frightened" of anyone and I cant imagine Monarch at BHX are of particular concern. New bases up for consideration all the time if LPL, SEN as the latest are anything to go by.

Jet2 aint stupid. Even Ryanair are struggling at BHX. LPL would be a foolish move, and dont even get me started about SEN.



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User currently offlineGingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Unfortunately, BHX is in a horrible position of being within 100 miles of LHR, LTN, STN, EMA & STN. That kind of stuck in the middle situation can't be helping them attract new airlines.
I remember the golden days, when BHX was actually quite busy with BA, BE, FR, BY, UK, VB.

It's a shame it's gone this far, and I'm not sure BHX has the ability to be much more than it currently is.



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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Why go through all the bother of buying BMIbaby when, if you want to operate from those airports, you can simply stick your own aircraft there?

User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 18):

I agree they offered a better service than U2 in my experience. I can only see LS taking them on, so that would be interesting to see if LS stayed in BHD highly unlikely tho. Only other option is a new investor re branding into a new airline but in this climate and ageing aircraft that wont happen.
I think they will vanish, or a fast start for Stelios Fast jet! although ive just read he is basing his new airline in Africa. So yes I think sadly they will vanish.



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25 flybehubby : Rumour doing the rounds on galley fm today is that MON are about to sign on the dotted line to buy bmibaby
26 BasilFawlty : MON? Now that's an unexpected something! If MON will buy WW I think most destinations will be cancelled because I can't see MON operating UK domestic
27 TCASAlert : That rumour's been around since before May, would be interesting if true but then again anything seems to be possible these days....
28 sandyb123 : If nobody buys WW can they survive in their own right? Might be odd to have a sub brand when the parent brand has dissapeared, but oporationally and f
29 BasilFawlty : I doubt if they could survive on their own. If nobody buys WW I think the airline will be shutdown within a few years.
30 TCASAlert : Another name banded around a bit is Air Contractors. I don't think that's as far fetched as it sounds, remember Jet2 was founded on a cargo airline.
31 BasilFawlty : In that case it will be interesting to see if Air Contractors keeps the scheduled flights or that they will focus on charter operations only.
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