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TSA Deems Cupcake 'security Threat'  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3697 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9222 times:

Now the TSA is afraid of cupcakes with 'gel-like' characteristics.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/30062442/detail.html

When will they stop being stupid?


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2147 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

This is beyond safety and into retarded.. TSA is nothing but a federal jobs program.


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User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9067 times:

HAHA I love being from this area....

"Wicked Good Cupcakes"...what a name  

This line right here says it all though:

“Apparently we're a tasty, terrorist threat. I guess we were also amazed at what can pass through security in one airport, but not in another,” said Brian Vilagie of Wicked Good Cupcakes.

Inconsistency is the reason they get the flak they do, methinks...



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8995 times:

LOL of course they deem it as a threat....most ridiculous piece of government ever created.
Nobody should be shocked at this...lol


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8946 times:
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The primary function of a bureaucracy is to maintain said bureaucracy so the TSA will deem anything and anyone a threat to Transportation Security in order to keep the dollars coming in perpetuity.

Of course, it doesn't help we have ass-hats who try to set fire to their shoes and shampoo bottles, which then gives the TSA a new reason to crow about how necessary it is and a new round of regulations the traveling public needs to abide by.

[Edited 2011-12-23 14:14:23]

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

There used to be a show on the Discovery Channel called Future Weapons, hosted by a former U.S. Navy SEAL. On one episode, they showed an x-ray machine that could also analyze liquids, whether they were in metal, plastic, or glass containers, clear or opaque. The machine was able to detect various aspects, including density, against a very long list of liquids, and determine if they were safe or in need of further scrutiny. It could even tell if a beverage (cola, iced tea, clear carbonated beverage) was sweetened with sugar or sugar substitutes.

China had purchased a number of the devices to use as a part of their security screening for people entering venues during the 2008 Olympics, and TSA had ordered a number of them.

The person from the manufacturer, who demonstrated the machine, said that it would eliminate the current TSA restrictions on liquids in carry-on bags.

So, if China had these devices more than 3 years ago, why doesn't TSA have them now at U.S. airports?


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 5):
So, if China had these devices more than 3 years ago, why doesn't TSA have them now at U.S. airports?

Because it costs money and if you've been following the bickering between the two political parties over this country's finances, it will be a very long time until we can start spending again.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8799 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 5):
So, if China had these devices more than 3 years ago, why doesn't TSA have them now at U.S. airports?

Because the manufacturer hasn't contributed to the re-election campaigns of enough politicians. Our government will only do the right thing if it also happens to personally benefit the folks in power more than the other options.


User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8710 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
Because it costs money and if you've been following the bickering between the two political parties over this country's finances, it will be a very long time until we can start spending again.

Our government has no problem spending. We don't need to "start spending again".


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):

The funny/sad thing is that the front line employees are actually the smarter ones in the TSA. The regulators, policy makers, and employees higher up behind the scenes are breathtakingly incompetent.



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

I think I would have just eaten the cupcake at the checkpoint rather than letting them confiscate it.

User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12599 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
The funny/sad thing is that the front line employees are actually the smarter ones in the TSA. The regulators, policy makers, and employees higher up behind the scenes are breathtakingly incompetent.

It is actually not just sad, but very serious, because this kind of nonsense undermines everything that is done to enhance security; brainless morons like this should be sacked; the most important weapon is not blind adherence to rules, but brain power and these people clearly don't have it.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8355 times:

I am ashamed to be American and ashamed of my country, but most of all my countrymen.

This SHOULD cause outrage. This SHOULD have people literally rioting in the streets because it is a complete flouting of the Constitution. Oh, the courts ruled, blah blah blah blah. Enough "case law" and the Constitution will be worthless. We'll have security checks at random on the street.

Instead, Americans just don't want to be inconvenienced, so they go along with it. I've written letters to my elected officials about this. Why am I one of the few?


User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8311 times:

CAK TSA refused to allow a passenger carry a Le Crueset cast iron skillet thru the checkpoint. They said that the 30 pound skillet "could be a weapon". Apparently the pen in the passengers purse wasn't considered a weapon, but in all reality could be a weapon just as easily, if not easier.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8772 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8310 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 2):
Inconsistency is the reason they get the flak they do, methinks...

As far as I am concerned, you're entirely correct. My personal experiences with TSA checkpoint staff have all been uneventful or even pleasant - either that or I'm really good at forgetting the bad ones - so I'm not in any way personally biased. But a couple of years ago, I passed through one and the same checkpoint at ORD with exactly the same cabin luggage within relatively little time a total of three times; not because I was trying to test them, but for other good reasons. The first time they didn't notice anything, the second they checked out a metal pen and the third time they had a closer look at a metal coffee mug that I had bought as a souvenir.

That made me wonder.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
This SHOULD cause outrage.

If only this sort of blunder made it into the gossip rags...



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8272 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
Because it costs money and if you've been following the bickering between the two political parties over this country's finances, it will be a very long time until we can start spending again.
Quoting silentbob (Reply 7):
Because the manufacturer hasn't contributed to the re-election campaigns of enough politicians. Our government will only do the right thing if it also happens to personally benefit the folks in power more than the other options.

Yet, TSA bought all of those body scanners, which no one likes, including some members of Congress. And the gentleman from the manufacturer said that TSA had ordered them.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8245 times:

Here's the website for the x-ray machine that can detect explosives in liquids: www.smithsdetection.com. The machine is a HI-SCAN 6040a TiX.

User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8202 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):
Yet, TSA bought all of those body scanners, which no one likes, including some members of Congress. And the gentleman from the manufacturer said that TSA had ordered them.

And the man that was instrumental in getting the order placed for the TSA is now working for one of the manufacturers. Purely coincidental


User currently offlinedw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

This is completely absurd the TSA and for that matter the DHS are completely useless bureaucratic wastes of money. They add no real safety to the traveling public all true security threats that have happened since 9/11 have been stopped by other agencies or the average citizen. They both need to be done away with and the "Patriot Act" as well because as much as some in Washington D.C. may think they can take away American citizens rights by passage of an unconstitutional law guess what they can't only an amendment to the Constitution can do such a thing. Its about time the average citizen stands up to this B.S. and reminds the fools in Washington D.C. that the final say sits with the people per the Constitution not with the federal or state governments. Also the federal government needs to remember its place and that it has limited powers and the states in fact control their fate and the ultimate power sits with the people according to the founding fathers and Constitution.

User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

"The people don't want war, but they can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." - Hermann Goering.

User currently onlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5900 times:
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This is typical as to why I no longer fly. Being held up at airports for hours while cupcakes are confiscated and examined etc. Outrageous! My sainted 86 year old mother was pulled aside in PHL because her hip replacement set some thing off. She and my father nearly missed their flight to FLL. Had I gone I would probably been yanked for my insulin. Insanity. Even a terrorist rocket scientist turned rocket surgeon could figure out that the small airports and or private aircraft are not screened for bombs. What is to stop some lunatic from renting a Cessna 152, loading a dirty bomb in it, taking off and crashing that plane into the Sears Tower or somewhere? All too easy. Not as flashy as slamming a 767 into a building but just as effective, maybe more so. And we are talking about visible things here. How about infecting some terrorist with a contagious deadly strain of disease or infection and put him on an airliner from say FRA to JFK. He will infect people at the departure airport, all on board the flight, then he and the PAX will all infect everybody they come in contact with and so on and so on. This could kill millions before it could be brought under some kind of control. I have no doubt that there are many labs world wide growing these strains of bacteria just begging for some nut to get their hands on some of them. But TSA is far more concerned with that little baby and it’s pablum and strained tapioca.

User currently offlineIntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

The TSA scrutineer got an attack of the munchies and took it out on a passenger by takeing her snack!!!!   
This one was really such a moron!!   



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I am ashamed to be American and ashamed of my country, but most of all my countrymen.

This SHOULD cause outrage

I agree! Who carries 2 cupcakes to LAS and later brings 1 of them home? Disgraceful!


User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

This is why people hate the airlines---when it has nothing to do with them. To have this kind of experience before you even board sets the mood for the entire trip. The TSA is a JOKE. This is such a ridiculously inconsistent, unnecessarily invasive governmental embarrassment. I used to think the FAA got the vote for the worst, but the TSA makes them look like a well run operation.

User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1465 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
Because it costs money and if you've been following the bickering between the two political parties over this country's finances, it will be a very long time until we can start spending again.

Aside from the laughable implication that spending has somehow stopped, I think you miss the mark entirely. The reason that we don't have these newer liquid scanning machines is because they might make the screening process more effective and even more efficient. In turn, fewer TSA employees might be necessary to do the same work. This is an intolerable outcome. If you've never seen a government bureaucracy "up close and personal" (say, because you've been a contractor for them), please understand that no decision like this is ever evaluated without an impact on headcount. Anything that reduces headcount faces impediments to acceptance regardless of how beneficial other outcomes may obviously be. Headcount may not be discussed out loud, but be assured it is involved.

Headcount matters for two reasons:

(1) The 'crat in charge of an operation measures his power by his budget. A reduction in headcount will mean a reduction in his budget. No 'crat want's to be devalued by a reduction of his budget.

(2) People in our government truly believe that a legitimate purpose of government is to create and maintain government jobs because those people might otherwise not have jobs. They take a dim view of anything that reduces government employment.

Recognition of these factors helps us understand why the TSA and DHS behave they way they do. They are acting quite rationally, within the context of the factors by which their world is judged. We may find that world perverse and objectionable, but we should at least understand it.

As for cupcake being a threat, well.... I'd lick all the icing off of it in front of the wonk who wasn't smart enough to know that cupcake icing isn't a threat, and then resubmit it for screening. You can't let a wicked good cupcake go to waste!



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25 T5towbar : So True. Gridlock at it's finest. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ All true. This country revolves around the dollar. C.R.E.A.M. "Corporations are People Too,
26 Macsog6 : TSA at BOS seems to me to have always had an issue based upon their failure to identify a number of 9-11 terrorists who boarded in BOS. A few weeks ag
27 Post contains links eyflyer88 : The TSA should specify and add a clause about baked goods then (I'm being sarcastic). As someone that travels very frequently both domestically and in
28 dw9115 : There is no balance between the two according to the Constitution civil liberties rule supreme period the only way that can change is with a constitu
29 spacecadet : This didn't happen at BOS, it happened at LAS. The woman specifically says the TSA at BOS let her through with the cupcakes. My experience has been s
30 airlinebrat : Since the human body is 60 to 70% liquid which equates to approximately 25 liters, I am surprised we are allowed through airport security. Before you
31 Post contains links and images ACDC8 : I'm surprised its taken the TSA this long to confiscate cupcakes ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGQ4nhw8go [Edited 2011-12-24 11:33:07][Edited 20
32 Maverick623 : Just to clarify, TSA wasn't around back then, and every single one of the hijackers were selected for secondary screening. Even the US ticket agent i
33 FlyMeToTheMoon : About a month into the liquids ban/restrictions the morons decided that a banana i had in my bag for breakfast the next morninging in ZRH was a securi
34 T5towbar : I'm sorry, but it can be done. Yes the Constitution is very clear about those things. But there has to be the rule of law somewhere. The Federal Gove
35 2175301 : The TSA should do basic screening for major weapons and explosives; and as far as weapons go they should only ensure that you have the appropriate pe
36 shmax525 : Everyone would agree that the TSA was in the wrong on this particular circumstance. I feel like one thing that needs to be kept in mind is that people
37 Maverick623 : I'd be OK with small pocket knives and such, but guns? No way. I'm as pro-2nd Amendment as they get, but there's absolutely no reason for untrained c
38 dw9115 : Well, the rule of law is the Constitution which does not allow for an encroachment of civil liberties like the DHS and TSA are committing period end
39 AWACSooner : This doesn't surprise me one bit. The TSA at LAS is THE WORST of all the domestic airports I have been through in terms of inconsistency.
40 2175301 : Concealed permit holders, as a group, are some of the most law abiding citizens out there. That translates into a low risk. Besides - I think that al
41 T5towbar : I understand the Fourth Amendment pretty clear. Especially as of late. And I do not like the Patriot Act. That was a knee jerk reaction, the law was
42 aviasian : Soon ... in an effort to comply with liquids and gels guidelines, all passengers will have to be drained of : 1. Urine and all bladder contents 2. All
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