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Rumor: Condor (DE) To Start FLL-MUC  
User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

Wow! Just saw this on Wikipedia. I didn't see it posted anywhere so I'm pretty sure it was recently announced. Apparently, Condor Airlines of Germany is to start service from Ft. Lauderdale Airport (FLL) to Munich Airport (MUC). According to Wikipedia it is set to start February 1, 2012. This is an addition to Condor's service from Frankfurt (FRA). It's nice to see more transatlantic service to FLL!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_La...93_Hollywood_International_Airport

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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

The Condor booking system still shows DE flights MUC-FLL only via FRA, so no change there.
There is also no link or reference to the entry on Wikipedia, so I have a feeling that someone has taken something from the rumour mill and made it look like a fact on Wiki.

I would also be very surprised if it was going to happen for other reasons: First, the market Germany-Florida is strongest in winter, so why would they start the service when the winter is just about to end? I couldn't imagine this flight being year-round. Second, there is (AFAIK) no DE maintanance facility for 757/767 in MUC, and the planes (all except the A320 fleet) are fully integrated into the FRA timetable, leaving no room for other destinations. I could see this change when (rather: if) DE orders any new 787, but for now I think their growth on the transcon is very limited and ex FRA only.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Interesting - I'm not sure we will actually see this happen since DE has completely concentrated their .longhaul operations in FRA. If O/D traffic ex-MUC is strong enough, or if they have a specific operator chartering lots of seats on every flight, it may happen, but it would have to be a very strong business case indeed.

One option for them would be to run this flight as a W-pattern (i.e. FRA-FLL-MUC-FLL-FRA). It could be a lot cheaper than permanently basing an aircraft in MUC or having to reposition the aircraft (and crew!) before and after the trans-Atlantic turn.



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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 971 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Well, under the airlines and destinations tab, FRA is the only listed airport that Condor serves. So I guess whoever put it up took it down very quickly!


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Wikipedia is not a source.


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User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
Wikipedia is not a source.

  

DE is currently working on making themselves known on FRA routes. They've started SEA-FRA, and will be starting BWI-FRA in the summer. I can't see them introducing MUC services when they are still growing TATL services to their hub.



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User currently offlinecgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 5):
They've started SEA-FRA, and will be starting BWI-FRA in the summer.

Wouldn't they be competing directly with their "mother" airline in SEA? Also, LH has a good operation going at IAD and PHL isn't that far up I-95 so I'm surprised they would go into BWI.



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User currently offlinesrqmuc From Germany, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 6):
Wouldn't they be competing directly with their "mother" airline in SEA? Also, LH has a good operation going at IAD and PHL isn't that far up I-95 so I'm surprised they would go into BWI.

Lufthansa sold their remaining Condor shares in 2009 (if you're reffering to LH as Condor's "mother airline").

However, I'd love to have more direct MUC-Florida flights! Someone needs to start TPA-MUC asap! Big grin

[Edited 2011-12-25 15:55:02]

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 6):
Wouldn't they be competing directly with their "mother" airline in SEA?

Well, the child already left home ...

LH has no more a stake in DE for a couple of years already although DE still keeps its connection with miles&more ...

[Edited 2011-12-26 02:29:16]

[Edited 2011-12-26 02:30:18]


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 5):
DE is currently working on making themselves known on FRA routes. They've started SEA-FRA, and will be starting BWI-FRA in the summer. I can't see them introducing MUC services when they are still growing TATL services to their hub.

Condor has a hub? I thought they were a p2p charter and low fare carrier.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6452 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting srqmuc (Reply 7):

Your username routing would be even better!!!! 



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 9):

Condor has a hub? I thought they were a p2p charter and low fare carrier.

Condor offers plenty of connections via partner airlines, the biggest of course being Lufthansa. LH provides a fair amount of feed to DE through FRA, they also have interline agreements with AS, CM and G3, among others.

If you can find a workable connection, they'll also be more than happy to sell you a through-ticket wholly on their own network (say PMI-FRA-HKT, for example).



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 11):

Yep, LH and DE still enjoy a healthy "gentlemen's agreement", which is really the best solution to the situation they both had to deal with. Plus it also benefits the flying pax (an unusual side-effect whenever airline CEO's feel like playing God).

I think DE is also the only other airline which is allowed to use gates in FRA that are LH-exclusive (T1 -C/D), plus Lufthansa Pilot Training Network provides pilot-recruitment programs for DE.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 12):
I think DE is also the only other airline which is allowed to use gates in FRA that are LH-exclusive (T1 -C/D)

Which gates are those? UA/CO and US park at the C gates all the time, so does SQ, and probably a few others. I've even seen Air Moldova at C1 (LH is their handling agent at FRA).

In my experience, they stick the Condor flights whereever there is room, and that can be anywhere in Terminal 1. C or B gates are preferred though, because they are closer to Condor's check-in counters at the back end of Departure Hall C.



Public service announcement: "It's" = "it is". To indicate posession, write "its." Looks wrong, but it's correct grammar
User currently offlinesrqmuc From Germany, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 10):
Your username routing would be even better!!!!

Indeed! Unfortunately my wishes weren't fulfilled yet and that's why I'd also be ok with TPA! I don't want to demand too much, you know 


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 13):
Which gates are those? UA/CO and US park at the C gates all the time, so does SQ, and probably a few others. I've even seen Air Moldova at C1 (LH is their handling agent at FRA).

Gates are C17-C22 (or even further, not sure). From gates C13 onwards it's all LH exclusive (first gates to see the A380). However in summer months the gates further toward T2-D (therefore "C/D") are used by DE as well. Bus gates only, but nontheless year-round usually LH exclusive.
You are right though, the old part of T1-C (C2-C12) is mainly used by QR, US, VN, LY, 9U, even Hamburg Airways. In fact I have yet to see a LH plane along those gates (not surprising, last time I looked they were the definition of ugly)

Quoting srqmuc (Reply 14):
Indeed! Unfortunately my wishes weren't fulfilled yet and that's why I'd also be ok with TPA! I don't want to demand too much, you know

Woooow how much I'd love to see a DE 767 come in overhead Lk Okeechobee 



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