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EK's A332 - A6-EAB & A6-EAC  
User currently offlineku747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

I searched but no luck.

According to airfleets.net 2 EK A332 A6-EAB and A6-EAC were stored for a while and sold or leased to Virgin Blue/Virgin Australia VH-XFA and VH-XFB back in March and May 2011.

Can anyone confirm, and why EK sold those aircrafts? if they were really sold.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

Quoting ku747 (Thread starter):
Can anyone confirm, and why EK sold those aircrafts? if they were really sold.

Oldest A332's frames in the EK fleet and therefore VA "I believe" if not mistaken purchased the aircraft and will lease another 2 new builds...

EK413



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User currently offlineku747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6848 times:

11 years is not old my friend.

There are 7 frames older than the one they sold!!

[Edited 2011-12-26 03:55:28]


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Quoting ku747 (Reply 2):
11 years is not old my friend

Note that he did not say old... he said

Quoting EK413 (Reply 1):
Oldest A332's frames in the EK fleet

which is exactly what these 2 aircraft were.


User currently offlineku747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):

I understand that they are the oldest.

My question is why they were sold?

There are 772 in EK fleet and they are the oldest in the fleet, EK sold A332 and not a single 772 was sold according to airfleets.net. assuming if the information is accurate in this site.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

Quoting ku747 (Reply 4):
My question is why they were sold?

I'm not certain, but can think of a number of possibilities:

1. EK lease was up and so it was an opportunity for them to start reducing their fleet numbers by not signing a renewal.
2. VA approached with a good offer, so it was decided to accept based on fleet plans (the airlines were still partners at the time of ordering).

The 772 is significantly more valuable than the A332 to EK at this point. Not only are they much larger, but they have far superior seats and IFE (all fitted with ICE compared with the ancient A330/A343 system). To retrofit the entire A330/A340 fleet would cost EK an arm and a leg -- not worth it. So these birds were always going to go before the 772's (at least IMO).


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

Quoting ku747 (Reply 2):
11 years is not old my friend.

There are 7 frames older than the one they sold!!
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Note that he did not say old... he said

Cheers HB-IWC for the response...

EK413



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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
The 772 is significantly more valuable than the A332 to EK at this point. Not only are they much larger, but they have far superior seats and IFE (all fitted with ICE compared with the ancient A330/A343 system). To retrofit the entire A330/A340 fleet would cost EK an arm and a leg -- not worth it. So these birds were always going to go before the 772's (at least IMO).

Noted, makes sense.
Thank you!



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Quoting ku747 (Reply 4):
There are 772 in EK fleet and they are the oldest in the fleet, EK sold A332 and not a single 772
Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
I'm not certain, but can think of a number of possibilities:
Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
The 772 is significantly more valuable than the A332 to EK at this point.

I'm just guessing but I'd suggest almost the opposite. It has been widely rumoured that CX and EK have had their 777-200s on the market for a couple of years but no-one wants them. EK have an orphaned fleet of just three 777-200s (and six 777-200ERs). The 777-200s have very limited appeal to anyone whereas A330-200s are in high demand.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 1):
and will lease another 2 new builds...

Three, I believe.


User currently offlineemirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 8):

I disagree about the demand of the A330's. At least passengers don't want it. I fly very frequently between JFK and HYD in EK F, and on the DXB-HYD sector, they usually have the disgusting, old, boring A330's on all 3 daily flights, but every once in a while, it's a 772, which are much more advanced with the flat bed F seats. I would choose a 772 over the 330/340-300 of EK any day, if it was available.



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User currently offlineNCFC99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Quoting emirates202 (Reply 9):
I disagree about the demand of the A330's. At least passengers don't want it. I fly very frequently between JFK and HYD in EK F, and on the DXB-HYD sector, they usually have the disgusting, old, boring A330's on all 3 daily flights, but every once in a while, it's a 772, which are much more advanced with the flat bed F seats. I would choose a 772 over the 330/340-300 of EK any day, if it was available.

I think that PM is refering to demand from airlines for 332 frames rather thatn 772 frames. 330's are in greater demand than 772 at this time, new or secondhand. The interior of each frame is totally dependant on the airline. The 332's could be fitted with a comparable product if EK wanted to.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
The 772 is significantly more valuable than the A332 to EK at this point. Not only are they much larger, but they have far superior seats and IFE

As far as the seats are concerned, I think 99% of passengers would prefer the relatively spacious 8-abreast A330 seats to the cramped 10-abreast EK 777s. It's business class where EK A332s (and A343s) are well below standard with 7-abreast (2-3-2), the only major carrier I can think of with more than 6-abreast in business class on an A330/340.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting emirates202 (Reply 9):
I disagree about the demand of the A330's. At least passengers don't want it. I would choose a 772 over the 330/340-300 of EK any day, if it was available.
Quoting NCFC99 (Reply 10):
I think that PM is refering to demand from airlines for 332 frames rather thatn 772 frames.

Oui!

Quoting NCFC99 (Reply 10):
The interior of each frame is totally dependant on the airline.

Oui!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
As far as the seats are concerned, I think 99% of passengers would prefer the relatively spacious 8-abreast A330 seats to the cramped 10-abreast EK 777s.

Zut alors! OUI!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
It's business class where EK A332s (and A343s) are well below standard with 7-abreast (2-3-2), the only major carrier I can think of with more than 6-abreast in business class on an A330/340.

Wow, I had no idea. That would certainly put me off.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
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I don't understand why EK who kept updating the interiors of the 777s (even the 77As) never did so with the A332.

After all they are often the first impression of EK for many European passengers flying out of smaller cities (PRG, CPH,...)

I did fly an EK A332 back in 2004, and I found it a very nice airplane for that time...



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'm just guessing but I'd suggest almost the opposite. It has been widely rumoured that CX and EK have had their 777-200s on the market for a couple of years but no-one wants them. EK have an orphaned fleet of just three 777-200s (and six 777-200ERs). The 777-200s have very limited appeal to anyone whereas A330-200s are in high demand.

Perhaps if this is the case then EK is simply looking for 'small' aircraft that they can offload now then? They can't get their 772's sold but need to retire a few of their 'smaller' planes so jump at the opportunity to do so?

Selling A332's now (at the peak of the demand) will be far more favourable for EK than waiting two years. Maybe they are capitalising on this demand to limit the cost of retiring their A330's?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
As far as the seats are concerned, I think 99% of passengers would prefer the relatively spacious 8-abreast A330 seats to the cramped 10-abreast EK 777s. It's business class where EK A332s (and A343s) are well below standard with 7-abreast (2-3-2), the only major carrier I can think of with more than 6-abreast in business class on an A330/340.

Sure, but the seats are ancient and have really been left behind in the massive 777 refits that have been happening. I'm sure that if EK was serious about retaining these planes, new Weber seats and ICE would have been installed in them years ago. Most passengers don't look past the age of the seats/IFE.

And I agree that J is disgraceful! The only other airline I can think of is JQ, but that's to be expected.


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