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Transaero Orders 4x Boeing 787s  
User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11127 times:

On Twitter, Transaero is reporting that it has ordered 4x Boeing 787s.

https://twitter.com/#!/TRANSAERO


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6895 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11105 times:

A380s, 748s, and now 787s. May we expect a small order for A350s shortly?

If this is true, I'd expect the 787s to have GEnx engines to fit alongside the 747-8s. May as well have both under-performing versions to maintain commonality...     


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11050 times:

Congrats to both Transaero and Boeing.

I know that Transaero has ambitious plans, but for an airline that carried 6.5mn passengers last year (8mn expected this year), aren't they over-ambitious? Russia doesn't have the huge home market China / India / US have, nor the high income economy that Europe / Japan / US have, nor the transfer capabilities of Gulf carriers. So what's the catch? Will they really be so successful, or is another Kingfisher on the way?


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10995 times:

congrats to transaero! When is delivery due? And which plant will build these?

User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2):
I know that Transaero has ambitious plans, but for an airline that carried 6.5mn passengers last year (8mn expected this year), aren't they over-ambitious? Russia doesn't have the huge home market China / India / US have, nor the high income economy that Europe / Japan / US have, nor the transfer capabilities of Gulf carriers. So what's the catch? Will they really be so successful, or is another Kingfisher on the way?

They are also a charter airline, it's okay to order larger aircraft if they see demand.

Here in Croatia, their aircraft are the largest that visit our airports as regular charters (777 and 747 in PUY, 767 in SPU...). They often use part of the aircraft for charter arrangements and the other part as a regular flight AFAIK.

Plus, they have aircraft that need replacement, so I wouldn't call them over-ambitious at all.


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

Congrats to Transaero.

I'm just wondering if they are worrying about fleet commonality or anything. It would be fine for them to have 3 different plane types, but maybe like ten more of them?

Still, overall good news. They will have an interesting fleet.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10307 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 5):
I'm just wondering if they are worrying about fleet commonality or anything. It would be fine for them to have 3 different plane types, but maybe like ten more of them?

The importance of fleet commonality may be exaggerated.


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 6):

The importance of fleet commonality may be exaggerated.

But still, four of each. And wouldn't they need spares for the 787s? (if they use them the right way)



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10048 times:
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787-8 or 787-9's, does any one know ? Press Release does NOT say.

User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9864 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 7):
But still, four of each. And wouldn't they need spares for the 787s? (if they use them the right way)

Engines may be under power by the hour contracts. Doesn't Boeing offer maintenance under similar terms? Maybe they pool maintenance with other airlines. I think 777 and 787 pilots can be in the same pool with minimal extra training. Cabin crew can certainly be on multiple frames.

I agree it is surprising to see low numbers of multiple models but it must be remembered that commonality is just one of many parameters. In Transaero's case it seems the other parameters make up for it.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3606 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9831 times:

This is good news! I like the way Transaero is building their fleet. They come a long ways, from the days that they were using leased AA DC10-30s.

User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9314 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ransaero-to-take-four-787s-366371/

"Russian carrier Transaero is to acquire four 262-seat Boeing 787s under an agreement which continues its recent fleet-renewal programme.

The airline said it had signed an agreement with the US airframer to take the aircraft. It has not disclosed an engine selection.

Transaero said the twinjets would be configured with four first-class, 14 business-class and 244 economy-class seats.

Director general Olga Pleshakova said the airline was "sticking to a principle of innovation" with the decision.

She added that the carrier had already made advance payments to secure the 787s, which will be used to replace Boeing 767s used by the Moscow-based operator.

"This aircraft, which has become a symbol of emerging technology, has the highest efficiency," said Pleshakova.

Transaero has already tentatively signed for Airbus A380 and Boeing 747-8 aircraft, and placed an order for eight Airbus A320neos."



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 11):
Transaero has already tentatively signed for Airbus A380 and Boeing 747-8 aircraft, and placed an order for eight Airbus A320neos."

That's interesting, thought the A380's were firm....


User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Gotta love their business technique. They kept buying all those shabby aircraft for as long as I can remember and of course everyone kept trashing them. And not all of a sudden they come out and buy all the latest and coolest planes. Wow!

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6895 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu here? Remember when Kingfisher ordered five of everything...?

User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 14):
Is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu here? Remember when Kingfisher ordered five of everything...?

Maybe they wanted to sign a bunch of MOUs for a potential fleet of under-powered a/c? Once done get the government to complete the deals so the country assumes ownership? Makes sense for Russian based company that doesn't buy the other underperforming engine (Trent 1000 version B, C, D and maybe we get it right with E) for the program.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

If this is 767 replacement the job won't be done, they've got more than four of those. Perhaps a follow-on order will come later?

User currently offlineCentre From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2):
nor the transfer capabilities of Gulf carriers. So what's the catch?

Actually an airport like DME is much better positioned as a transfer point between (SE Asia, Japan, Korea, india and China) and Europe than the any other Gulf airport. Same goes for SE Asia, India, pakistan to the North America.
The only thing that's lacking is just the political well in Russia.

I can see them given the like of EK et.al a run for their money.



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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 7):

But still, four of each. And wouldn't they need spares for the 787s?

That's most probably taken care of through Boeing's GoldCare program.



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1586 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 6):
Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 5):I'm just wondering if they are worrying about fleet commonality or anything. It would be fine for them to have 3 different plane types, but maybe like ten more of them?
The importance of fleet commonality may be exaggerated.

I don't think so, but:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 16):
If this is 767 replacement the job won't be done, they've got more than four of those. Perhaps a follow-on order will come later?

   Pretty sure of that. They could replace the 762's and oldest 763's now, and wait with a replacement order until their remaining 767's are too expensive to operate, or run our of cycles/flying hours.

For the record: I don't think Transaero will operate only 4 A380's and 748's either...

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
A380s, 748s, and now 787s. May we expect a small order for A350s shortly?

Not shortly, but as soon as they need replacing their 777's, there will be a good chance.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 6):
The importance of fleet commonality may be exaggerated.

Yes, but a still rather small airline flying practically every type produced the last 20 years is a bit extreme - but eh as a spotter one can only like that.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

It was a good job there were all those 787 cancellations in the past. It means Transaero will be able to get their 787s super fast, if they want.

Well done to all.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 14):

Is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu here? Remember when Kingfisher ordered five of everything...?

At least these guys started with used planes unlike the fat man...



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User currently offlineneutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):

I think they chose GR because they are:
1. Reliable
2. Won't blow up on them, either on the test stand or in the air
3. Perhaps not have an engine die due to ice crystals

Reliability and all!!   


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