leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11050 times:
Congrats to both Transaero and Boeing.
I know that Transaero has ambitious plans, but for an airline that carried 6.5mn passengers last year (8mn expected this year), aren't they over-ambitious? Russia doesn't have the huge home market China / India / US have, nor the high income economy that Europe / Japan / US have, nor the transfer capabilities of Gulf carriers. So what's the catch? Will they really be so successful, or is another Kingfisher on the way?
PezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10968 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2): I know that Transaero has ambitious plans, but for an airline that carried 6.5mn passengers last year (8mn expected this year), aren't they over-ambitious? Russia doesn't have the huge home market China / India / US have, nor the high income economy that Europe / Japan / US have, nor the transfer capabilities of Gulf carriers. So what's the catch? Will they really be so successful, or is another Kingfisher on the way?
They are also a charter airline, it's okay to order larger aircraft if they see demand.
Here in Croatia, their aircraft are the largest that visit our airports as regular charters (777 and 747 in PUY, 767 in SPU...). They often use part of the aircraft for charter arrangements and the other part as a regular flight AFAIK.
Plus, they have aircraft that need replacement, so I wouldn't call them over-ambitious at all.
cmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9864 times:
Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 7): But still, four of each. And wouldn't they need spares for the 787s? (if they use them the right way)
Engines may be under power by the hour contracts. Doesn't Boeing offer maintenance under similar terms? Maybe they pool maintenance with other airlines. I think 777 and 787 pilots can be in the same pool with minimal extra training. Cabin crew can certainly be on multiple frames.
I agree it is surprising to see low numbers of multiple models but it must be remembered that commonality is just one of many parameters. In Transaero's case it seems the other parameters make up for it.
kevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
Gotta love their business technique. They kept buying all those shabby aircraft for as long as I can remember and of course everyone kept trashing them. And not all of a sudden they come out and buy all the latest and coolest planes. Wow!
CFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5872 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 14): Is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu here? Remember when Kingfisher ordered five of everything...?
Maybe they wanted to sign a bunch of MOUs for a potential fleet of under-powered a/c? Once done get the government to complete the deals so the country assumes ownership? Makes sense for Russian based company that doesn't buy the other underperforming engine (Trent 1000 version B, C, D and maybe we get it right with E) for the program.
Centre From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5552 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2): nor the transfer capabilities of Gulf carriers. So what's the catch?
Actually an airport like DME is much better positioned as a transfer point between (SE Asia, Japan, Korea, india and China) and Europe than the any other Gulf airport. Same goes for SE Asia, India, pakistan to the North America.
The only thing that's lacking is just the political well in Russia.
I can see them given the like of EK et.al a run for their money.
frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1586 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4233 times:
Quoting cmf (Reply 6): Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 5):I'm just wondering if they are worrying about fleet commonality or anything. It would be fine for them to have 3 different plane types, but maybe like ten more of them?
The importance of fleet commonality may be exaggerated.
I don't think so, but:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 16): If this is 767 replacement the job won't be done, they've got more than four of those. Perhaps a follow-on order will come later?
Pretty sure of that. They could replace the 762's and oldest 763's now, and wait with a replacement order until their remaining 767's are too expensive to operate, or run our of cycles/flying hours.
For the record: I don't think Transaero will operate only 4 A380's and 748's either...
Quoting PM (Reply 1): A380s, 748s, and now 787s. May we expect a small order for A350s shortly?
Not shortly, but as soon as they need replacing their 777's, there will be a good chance.