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AA Mainline Jets Return To DFW-DSM  
User currently offlineaadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

AA upgraded two daily departures from DFW to DSM with S80 equipment effective Jan. 31, 12. DFW-LIT has also been upgraded to all S80's.

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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3382 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

Eagle fleet shuffling to cover ATR flying I would imagine.

AA has to fill in somewhere


User currently offlineseatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

I'm hoping for DFW-CVG!

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 2):
I'm hoping for DFW-CVG!

As was I, however CVG still shows all ERJ equipment after the schedule change. Truly blows my mind. I for one was also hoping DFW GSO would return to mainline, but GSO remains all Eagle as well.



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User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

Looks like DSM-DFW is going from 6x daily ER4 to 3x ER4 and 2xMD80 for a net gain of 122 seats each way per day. (300 seats to 422 seats per day)

User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Good news indeed. What needs to happen next is that UA needs to upgrade IAH-DSM to a 73G. That morning flight out of DSM is always full.

User currently onlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 2):
I'm hoping for DFW-CVG!

You know, I'm in two minds with that one. CVG is the only city I fly to for work that isn't mainline from DFW. BUT, I really like that they have 6-7 flights/day. If they would do a mix or ERJ/MD80, then it might be ok. But, if they do like PIT and go down to 3 MD80s daily, it would be a hassle.


User currently offlineaadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

130 days extra per day is a lot of additional capacity!

User currently offlineaadfw From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

that was 130 extra seats a day

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 6):
But, if they do like PIT and go down to 3 MD80s daily, it would be a hassle.

DFW PIT is now 4x S80, and personally I think 4x offers flexible enough frequency, but certainly not as much as 6-7x.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

There will be more capacity announced to DSM later this week as well.

User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
There will be more capacity announced to DSM later this week as well.

Ahhh....I think you gave it away! I would "guess" US to DCA/CLT/PHL...I would guess 2 of those 3....sweet!!


User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

has UA cut back on seats out of Des Moines? they used to offer a mix of mainline flights in and out of there, including the 757 ... I haven't been following the schedules the last few years (I lived there '07/'08) -- so if someone is in the know, chirp up!

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):

more Frontier?



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 11):

Ahhh....I think you gave it away! I would "guess" US to DCA/CLT/PHL...I would guess 2 of those 3....sweet!!
Quoting stlgph (Reply 12):
more Frontier?

Possibly to both.

Note I said capacity though, not necessarily routes. Could be something as simple as another aircraft upgauge from an RJ to mainline.


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6928 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 13):

Please more IAH and EWR.....


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

This is pretty exciting. Frontier is upgrading to A319s on the two daily DSM-DEN flights beginning Jan 4. According to Delta.com the daily MD80 to ATL is returning this summer. In the last year we've gone from only 2 airlines offering mainline service to DSM (United and Allegiant) to 6 in 2012 (United, Allegiant, Frontier, Airtran, American and Delta).

Quoting stlgph (Reply 12):
has UA cut back on seats out of Des Moines? they used to offer a mix of mainline flights in and out of there, including the 757 ... I haven't been following the schedules the last few years (I lived there '07/'08) -- so if someone is in the know, chirp up!

They still offer a mix of A320/319s with several daily RJs to both ORD and DEN.


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 15):

Is DSM the largest non-hub market for G4? It's weird to see G4 metal with other mainline metal.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 15):
According to Delta.com the daily MD80 to ATL is returning this summer.

It's actually 2xMD80 this summer and 1xCR7.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6647 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 16):
Is DSM the largest non-hub market for G4? It's weird to see G4 metal with other mainline metal.

I have no idea about the answer to your question, but after DL and AA bring back mainline to DSM, US will be the only airline at DSM not offering some mainline service. Maybe they'll join the bandwagon and upgrade one of the PHX flights to an A319 (wishful thinking, I know).


User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Here's to hoping the the S80 get the GPT route!


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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 14):
Please more IAH and EWR.....

My company really wants the DSM-EWR nonstop to work. Apparently the Sunday/Friday flights are always full, but during the week its more of a mixed bag (however, this is purely anecdotal, but heard from guys who fly it often).

I think at some point UA will most likely cut one (or all?) mainline a/c from DEN and transition capacity to IAH at, since it's the larger hub.

Also - when was the last time AA flew mainline into DSM? Was it with the Fokkers and just to ORD, or was DFW part of that as well?

[Edited 2011-12-27 14:24:36]


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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5742 times:

Quoting seatback (Reply 2):
I'm hoping for DFW-CVG!

Keep an eye out for it! AA mainline at CVG isn't really feasible at the moment with the very cramped situation in T2, but when the renovated concourse A opens up, there's probably a much greater chance of mainline additions...so fingers crossed!


User currently offlineAA7771stClass From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 296 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 5455 times:

Don't have a date or year for you "planespotting" but I know they used to run MD80's to DSM out of DFW; the last time I went up there had to be 6-7+ years ago though.

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 5380 times:

AA used to run the F100's out of Des Moines to Dallas/Ft Worth, too.


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User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 5296 times:

The trend of replacing MQ service with AA service is, in my humble MQ employee opinion, a great thing. Sure they need some additional lift while they find replacements for the AT7s, but ERJs are frankly better used in markets like MHK where I work. I know, with all the oversales we just dealt with in the weeks leading up to Thanksgiving and Christmas, and the very very steady bookings we're getting far out into January already, that we can use additional flights to DFW and other cities are experiencing the same phenomenon. Eagle's foray into smaller markets is paying off and they're competitive pricing with nearby larger airports is getting them a heap of customer loyalty in these markets. Lots of pax here at MHK are connecting through to Europe and South America, and all of these high yielding customers would have driven to MCI had the MQ service not existed.

This, IMHO, is a great strategy. Instead of using RJs to fuel a super high frequency hub, lets use them in regional markets and have four or five well-timed banks of mainline and regional flights at hubs. Send those RJs to smaller markets with limited competition and let the name be known that AA cares about these small markets. They ought too because I know we can be profitable for them.

Also, probably not a good idea to have CRJs on ORD-LGA, just thinking out loud. I know I'd love to put some people in F to ORD. Really really love to. I love this job and I love treating my EPs and PLs to an exit row or something better than normal, but seriously.

Congrats to DSM on the mainline. They've joined CLE and MKE now as the Rj to mainline conversions!


25 9w748capt : Sadly, MKE-DFW was cut back to all RJ flying not too long ago. And AFAIK AA's loads were very good - just the F cabin wasn't consistently full. Was a
26 seatback : I hope you're right. But I'm not sure the terminal is what is keeping them back. Afterall, AA has operated M80/F100 flights from the terminal before
27 flyguy89 : I'm sure it plays a factor, I mean CVG has to be one of AA's largest all-Eagle outstations with ~16 daily flights to DFW, ORD, JFK, and MIA, so I'm s
28 stlgph : Speaking of Des Moines, as mentioned, I lived there in 07 and 08 and then moved out east ... haven't been there for a while but what's the gate situat
29 planespotting : Allegiant gates in the same concourse as United (at the far end). Delta, American and U.S. are still in the opposite concourse, and I think Continent
30 Post contains images joeljack : I don't think it's an issue at this point. In fact, it's probably less crowded then it was several years ago with all the airline mergers. Remember Mi
31 evanbu : I find it interesting that Eagle still handles ground for CO at DSM... 2X IAH (sometimes 1X) 1X EWR CO seriously needs to add another IAH flight (or
32 stlgph : I would say it's even more crowded now. Midwest Express, Delta Connection, United, and Allegiant would use the 4 (and a half) gates in the A. Northwe
33 phllax : There's 4 parking positions for A5 - which is where Midwest, DLC (pre-merger) operated out of and is now not used. United uses A2&4 during the day
34 evanbu : Clear out the end of C if WN comes to town, excuse me, WHEN WN comes to town...
35 CIDFlyer : Interesting with all the recent mainline upgrades at DSM. Is this the start of something in the industry as a whole? Or are the airlines jockeying for
36 joeljack : Gosh I really hope so!! I'm a loyal UA flyer but with CO merger, those ERJ's are EVERYWHERE!! I refuse to fly them unless I must. There is a place fo
37 planespotting : Has this been announced yet?
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