Happy New Year Turkish Aviation fans,
Our first thread was way back, in December 2006. Wow, we have come a long way. Thanks for all your participation. I have learned a lot from all of you. Keep it up in the new year!
2011, What a year for Turkish Aviation.
Do I dare to recap? Let me try;
-In short, nothing phenomenal happened in 2011. NO 787/350 order, no 380 order, no new Istanbul airport. F class went away, Y+ came.
-Finnair left IST
-TK’s Hamdi Topcu promised a fleet of 180-200 frames at the end of 2011 and came very close with 182-185 frames for TK. He also said to increase the number of African destinations to 35 by the end of 2012, let’s see if that happens.
-Borajet and TK formed a partnership
-Asiana announced IST service
-TK announced NAP, TRN, GOA and also Guangzhau, LAX, Shiraz, Malaga, Salonika, Valencia, Toulouse, Manila, Najaf, Mosul, Basra, Erbil, Kabul, Islamabad, Dammam, Dhaka and most of them are open now.
-January most of us posted our short bios.
-We talked about the language skills of TK crews
-TK rumors of Montreal, Lima, Detroit, Miami, IAH and Boston, ATL tag-on, EZE tag-on
-Rumors of TK to buy JAT
-AirTransat started to fly from Canada to Turkey.
-We discussed the inconsistent interior product of TK short haul fleet.
-Temel Kotil suggested 25 TATL flights by TK in the near future.
-TK exercises its options on the 737NG
-TK orders 10 more 321s and 3 more 332Fs
-Brand new 319/321s started to join the TK fleet
-TK to have 230 jets by 2015.
-We discussed what fits TK better; 748 or 380
-“HB-IWC” put together a TK 77W fleet utilization work sheet.
-There was a talk of TK talking to Embraer for RJs, but the deal fell through.
-TKs 739ERs rumored to have 28C/123Y seats
-TK tries to sell 2 x 343 it owns, no takers.
-TK orders 10 738s and 5 more 739ERs
-TK net profit for 2010 was $191M
-TK gets 5th freedom rights SIN-CGK-SIN
-Robcol99 reports TK now has 5 FAs on 738/320 and 6 FA’s on 321s.
-SHGM plans to build 1 x 60M, 2 x 30M and 3 X 15M pax capacity airports by 2023.
-TK looking at options to fly to Taipei
-Corendon Dutch airlines formed
-TK-PK supposed to have some kind of a joint deal
-TK C class Trip Report to LAX reported: Turkish Airlines TK009: IST-LAX C Cabin (by amax1977 Apr 30 2011 in Trip Reports)
-We hear rumors that TK might use BCN as a hub to expand into LatAM.
-TK decided to form a company to manufacture airplane seats
-DL to use 332 for the JFK-IST route
-First rumors that KK is preparing for a 15 brand new plane order.
-News that ACT cargo is getting a 747
-News that the first TK 739ER is sitting at RNT
-TK has a new safety video out featuring the soccer players of Man.U.
-TK gets a huge P.R. boost from sponsoring both ManU and Barcelona soccer teams when they meet for the Champions League final.
-TK 310F written off after being stuck in Casablanca for a while
-IST lounge closed for renovations
-2 more airports announced for Izmir.
-2nd TK 332F is up and flying
-We got the news that 2 x739ERs will go to GED till November to get fitted with extra fuel tanks.
-All the talk was about TK wanting to become a 5 star airline by years end.
-DL switches back to 767 on the IST route
-TK gets SKYTRAX best airline in Europe award by 18M voters!
-News about PG and AB forming AIRTURKYA based in AYT.
-LAX goes from 4 to 5 weekly, IAD also goes to 6 weekly.
-NO TK orders at Paris Airshow
-Single A332 ordered by TK turns out to be a Presidential Prestige model for the Turkish Government
-TK Cargo FTK up 34% 1st Quarter of 2011
-LAX, IAD to go daily S12
-Rumors of IST-CGN nonstop, IST-HAN via BKK.
-IST lounge opens July 15th and it is a success!
-July 1st, 123,780 pax uses IST, record for a single day.
-AF to start MRS-IST flights
-2 x JetAirways 77Ws returned
-TK talks about double daily to BOM and DEL and 3 possible new cities in INDIA
-We hear again GRU getting a tag-on to EZE.
-“Pilotaydin” suggest TK might be re-engining its 343s.
-SQ to start IST-ATH-IST
-TK website gets a new look.
-KK interested in C series aircraft
-TK announces loss for the first 6 months of 2011
-Talks about Air Berlin Turkey forming.
-“LAXintl” suggests TK343s might be a candidate for dismantling in the future.
-Losses at TK might be due to Foreign Exchange charges
-TK capacity increases by 17% in 2011. With only 5.8% expected capacity increase in 2012, things might calm down financially.
-TK stock looses more than 40% of its value (it is even worse now!)
-Following Arab Spring, TK flights back on, to Libya.
-Pegasus to receive 14 new 738s in 2012.
-News of TK codeshare with TG to access Australia through BKK.
-TK to have liveTV over the Atlantic on its 333/77W fleets.
-All ordered 12 TK 77Ws in service now.
-TC-TUR 332Prestige, has its 1st flight July 11th.
-IST handles 135,000 pax on Sept 4th, a new record for the airport.
-TK Technic to expand current Hangar #1 @ IST to accommodate up to 380 size aircraft, with expansions to SAW and ESB.
-By the end of 2011, Do&Co will have 200 flying Chefs.
-Now that 10% of the pilots at TK are foreigners, what are the implications?
-Year-end IST pax number to be around 37M.
-AnadoluJET drops most of its INT. routes out of ESB. Bummer!
-We all agreed that TK made a miscalculation in terms of its Y+ capacity on its 77Ws;
Instead of the current config: 28J/63Y+/246Y we talked about dropping the number of Y+ seats to 42 and go with either more J or more Y seats;
-Talked about why European Police meeting TK flights at European cities.
-TK announces Mogadishu, Misrata, LGW, Novosibirsk
-UA is seeking slots at IST for possible EWR flights.
-Will TK be profitable at years end?
-MNL and EZE plans might have to be moved to S12.
-TK did not bid for JAT.
-Booking Class for Y+ at TK is A, O, U.
-TK back to TIP after things calm down.
-1st SKY INTERIOR 738 arrives at TK.
-Rumors of PG to order up to 100 narrow bodies.
-Fingers crossed, TK might be back in black by the end of 2012.
-KK orders 10+5 Bombardier jets!!
-TK announces Bilbao/La Coruna, Abuja/Kano and Ulaanbaatar for 2012.
-IST-YYZ goes up to 4 weekly
-TK still has 200 euro upgrades from Y to Y+ on its US routes.
-14 airports in Turkey now have more than 1M pax.
-iststatus (live radar) turned off and back ON again.
-First TK 320 painted in the new livery
-TK 739ERs arrive and they are in service
-NRT, KIX, HKG to go daily
-TKs BCN hub dreams are over, time to regroup I guess.
-Pegasus is looking into LH airplanes for 2015 onward.
-For 2012, TK plans for 38M pax carried, 18 brand new planes and up to 14 new destinations.
-TK announces Accra/Abidjan, Leipzig, EDI, Aalborg/Billund, Bremen, Kinshasa
-TK Cargo flies to JFK with a 332F for the first time.
-There is a new plan to expand IST with a 4th runway.
Oh my, that is some recap.
I am sure we will revisit some of these in the months ahead;
-How IST has become a parking lot
I am already looking forward to it.
Happy New Year and Welcome.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14702 times:
A very happy new year to all on the Turkish aviation threads and thanks to TK787 for a very detailed review of the year just gone; it has certainly been an exciting year for Turkish aviation and may 2012 be a safe and successful year for you and for Turkish aviation.
Let's hope we're celebrating a major TK widebody order sometime in the near future!
After the armenian nonsense passed the parliament 2 weeks ago in france, I read somewhere that as an enforcement to France, the Turkish Government is thinking about not ordering any more Airbus aircraft for THY. I think this was in Hurriyet.
anybody came across that?
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
This has always been a thing I could not understand, how earth an airline like Finnair could not make IST work?
On a side note, I think that Turkish aviation market has become so interesting simply because TK has become what it is today.
Up until recently chances of TK competing effectively against the well established European and Gulf carriers was slim. However, today the situation has completely changed and Turkish Airlines has certainly made the whole region more interesting.
I would also like to add that Jat Airways will be increasing Belgrade-Istanbul-Belgrade from 4 weekly flights to daily operations. They will be using their B737-300 on the route.
Flights are scheduled to depart Belgrade at 09:35 three times per week, arrival time 12:15. Four weekly flights will depart 16:15 with the scheduled arrival time to Istanbul at 18:55.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14082 times:
TK787 What an amazing recap thank you as always.
Happy new year to all my anet friends!
Few opinions on the issues you brought up on your recap;
I feel like the 787/350 decision will never happen. I give up
I really hope UA starts EWR--IST its always great to have competition, and a market as big as IST deseves more than 1 US carrier. Having said that how is DL doing with 2 777W's on the route to compete with?
IST airport? When will they decide? A new airport or extend IST. I think with being able to take away air force space I rather them expand IST.
Now a question, when is the big shiny new A330 belonging to The president being delivered?
tozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 106 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13861 times:
On 30th December 2011, we made an interview with Hamdi Topcu, THY's chairman of the board for Kokpit Aviation TV Program. Here you are some interesting facts from Topcu:
- THY is looking for buying shares from 2-3 airlines in Europe. This will be announced soon.
- For aircraft orders THY turned to catch order cancels. Topcu said "We have ordered 12 777's in 2009 which was cancelled because of economic crise. By taking this aircrafts, THY reach 2015 long range fleet level in 2010. We are looking for same thing"
- Heavy investment to flight training. Old 737-400 and RJ100 simulator will be sold soon. THY will open a flight training center in Aydin/Cildir Airport.
- THY focus on galley manufacture. First 3 finished for Boeing 737 series. For Airbus, first one will be finished in June.
- For airline seat, the sertification planned to finish end of 2012.
Web From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 424 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13694 times:
One year ago today, I was in the middle of my first TK trip, ORD-IST-TLV. Ever since, I've been hooked on what's been happening with this fantastic airline, and I am very excited for what 2012 has in store. Thanks TK787 for your continued facilitation of discussion!
On that note, can anyone give a summary of the new routes TK is opening up in 2012? There are so many rumors that it's hard to tell the difference between a confirmed route and someone's (including TK's) wishful thinking.
tozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 106 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13461 times:
According to the interview with Hamdi Topcu, he said on summer, the aircrafts will make charter flights from Antalya. As I remember, last year these aircrafts operated from Ankara for the international routes of AnadoluJet.