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Happy New Year Turkish Aviation fans,
Our first thread was way back, in December 2006. Wow, we have come a long way. Thanks for all your participation. I have learned a lot from all of you. Keep it up in the new year!
2011, What a year for Turkish Aviation.
Do I dare to recap? Let me try;
JANUARY:
-In short, nothing phenomenal happened in 2011. NO 787/350 order, no 380 order, no new Istanbul airport. F class went away, Y+ came.
-Finnair left IST
-TK’s Hamdi Topcu promised a fleet of 180-200 frames at the end of 2011 and came very close with 182-185 frames for TK. He also said to increase the number of African destinations to 35 by the end of 2012, let’s see if that happens.
-Borajet and TK formed a partnership
-Asiana announced IST service
-TK announced NAP, TRN, GOA and also Guangzhau, LAX, Shiraz, Malaga, Salonika, Valencia, Toulouse, Manila, Najaf, Mosul, Basra, Erbil, Kabul, Islamabad, Dammam, Dhaka and most of them are open now.
-January most of us posted our short bios.
FEBRUARY:
-We talked about the language skills of TK crews
-TK rumors of Montreal, Lima, Detroit, Miami, IAH and Boston, ATL tag-on, EZE tag-on
-Rumors of TK to buy JAT
-AirTransat started to fly from Canada to Turkey.
-We discussed the inconsistent interior product of TK short haul fleet.
-Temel Kotil suggested 25 TATL flights by TK in the near future.
-TK exercises its options on the 737NG
MARCH:
-LAX started
-TK orders 10 more 321s and 3 more 332Fs
-Brand new 319/321s started to join the TK fleet
-TK to have 230 jets by 2015.
-We discussed what fits TK better; 748 or 380
-“HB-IWC” put together a TK 77W fleet utilization work sheet.
-There was a talk of TK talking to Embraer for RJs, but the deal fell through.
-TKs 739ERs rumored to have 28C/123Y seats
-TK tries to sell 2 x 343 it owns, no takers.
-TK orders 10 738s and 5 more 739ERs
APRIL:
-TK net profit for 2010 was $191M
-TK gets 5th freedom rights SIN-CGK-SIN
-Robcol99 reports TK now has 5 FAs on 738/320 and 6 FA’s on 321s.
-SHGM plans to build 1 x 60M, 2 x 30M and 3 X 15M pax capacity airports by 2023.
-TK looking at options to fly to Taipei
MAY:
-Corendon Dutch airlines formed
-TK-PK supposed to have some kind of a joint deal
-TK C class Trip Report to LAX reported: Turkish Airlines TK009: IST-LAX C Cabin (by amax1977 Apr 30 2011 in Trip Reports)
-We hear rumors that TK might use BCN as a hub to expand into LatAM.
-TK decided to form a company to manufacture airplane seats
-DL to use 332 for the JFK-IST route
-First rumors that KK is preparing for a 15 brand new plane order.
-News that ACT cargo is getting a 747
-News that the first TK 739ER is sitting at RNT
-TK has a new safety video out featuring the soccer players of Man.U.
-TK gets a huge P.R. boost from sponsoring both ManU and Barcelona soccer teams when they meet for the Champions League final.
JUNE:
-TK 310F written off after being stuck in Casablanca for a while
-IST lounge closed for renovations
-2 more airports announced for Izmir.
-2nd TK 332F is up and flying
-We got the news that 2 x739ERs will go to GED till November to get fitted with extra fuel tanks.
-All the talk was about TK wanting to become a 5 star airline by years end.
-DL switches back to 767 on the IST route
-TK gets SKYTRAX best airline in Europe award by 18M voters!
-News about PG and AB forming AIRTURKYA based in AYT.
-LAX goes from 4 to 5 weekly, IAD also goes to 6 weekly.
JULY:
-NO TK orders at Paris Airshow
-Single A332 ordered by TK turns out to be a Presidential Prestige model for the Turkish Government
-TK Cargo FTK up 34% 1st Quarter of 2011
-LAX, IAD to go daily S12
-Rumors of IST-CGN nonstop, IST-HAN via BKK.
-IST lounge opens July 15th and it is a success!
-July 1st, 123,780 pax uses IST, record for a single day.
-AF to start MRS-IST flights
-2 x JetAirways 77Ws returned
AUGUST:
-TK talks about double daily to BOM and DEL and 3 possible new cities in INDIA
-We hear again GRU getting a tag-on to EZE.
-“Pilotaydin” suggest TK might be re-engining its 343s.
-SQ to start IST-ATH-IST
-TK website gets a new look.
-KK interested in C series aircraft
-TK announces loss for the first 6 months of 2011
-Talks about Air Berlin Turkey forming.
SEPTEMBER:
-“LAXintl” suggests TK343s might be a candidate for dismantling in the future.
-Losses at TK might be due to Foreign Exchange charges
-TK capacity increases by 17% in 2011. With only 5.8% expected capacity increase in 2012, things might calm down financially.
-TK stock looses more than 40% of its value (it is even worse now!)
-Following Arab Spring, TK flights back on, to Libya.
-Pegasus to receive 14 new 738s in 2012.
-News of TK codeshare with TG to access Australia through BKK.
-TK to have liveTV over the Atlantic on its 333/77W fleets.
-All ordered 12 TK 77Ws in service now.
-TC-TUR 332Prestige, has its 1st flight July 11th.
-IST handles 135,000 pax on Sept 4th, a new record for the airport.
OCTOBER:
-TK Technic to expand current Hangar #1 @ IST to accommodate up to 380 size aircraft, with expansions to SAW and ESB.
-By the end of 2011, Do&Co will have 200 flying Chefs.
-Now that 10% of the pilots at TK are foreigners, what are the implications?
-Year-end IST pax number to be around 37M.
-AnadoluJET drops most of its INT. routes out of ESB. Bummer!
-We all agreed that TK made a miscalculation in terms of its Y+ capacity on its 77Ws;
Instead of the current config: 28J/63Y+/246Y we talked about dropping the number of Y+ seats to 42 and go with either more J or more Y seats;
36J/42Y+/246Y
or
28J/42Y+/282Y
-Talked about why European Police meeting TK flights at European cities.
-TK announces Mogadishu, Misrata, LGW, Novosibirsk
-UA is seeking slots at IST for possible EWR flights.
NOVEMBER:
-Will TK be profitable at years end?
-MNL and EZE plans might have to be moved to S12.
-TK did not bid for JAT.
-Booking Class for Y+ at TK is A, O, U.
-TK back to TIP after things calm down.
-1st SKY INTERIOR 738 arrives at TK.
-Rumors of PG to order up to 100 narrow bodies.
-Fingers crossed, TK might be back in black by the end of 2012.
-KK orders 10+5 Bombardier jets!!
-TK announces Bilbao/La Coruna, Abuja/Kano and Ulaanbaatar for 2012.
-IST-YYZ goes up to 4 weekly
DECEMBER:
-TK still has 200 euro upgrades from Y to Y+ on its US routes.
-14 airports in Turkey now have more than 1M pax.
-iststatus (live radar) turned off and back ON again.
-First TK 320 painted in the new livery
-TK 739ERs arrive and they are in service
-NRT, KIX, HKG to go daily
-TKs BCN hub dreams are over, time to regroup I guess.
-Pegasus is looking into LH airplanes for 2015 onward.
-For 2012, TK plans for 38M pax carried, 18 brand new planes and up to 14 new destinations.
-TK announces Accra/Abidjan, Leipzig, EDI, Aalborg/Billund, Bremen, Kinshasa
-TK Cargo flies to JFK with a 332F for the first time.
-There is a new plan to expand IST with a 4th runway.
Oh my, that is some recap.
I am sure we will revisit some of these in the months ahead;
-TK website
-787/350/380 orders
-How IST has become a parking lot
-......
I am already looking forward to it.
Happy New Year and Welcome.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14702 times:
A very happy new year to all on the Turkish aviation threads and thanks to TK787 for a very detailed review of the year just gone; it has certainly been an exciting year for Turkish aviation and may 2012 be a safe and successful year for you and for Turkish aviation.
Let's hope we're celebrating a major TK widebody order sometime in the near future!
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22035 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14619 times:
Happy 2012 everyone
And a special thank you to TK787 for the great job he has done keeping these threads going.
Best wishes, and lets see what interesting things will develop in the Turkish aviation sector in the new year.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Thanks again for a great year and keeping these threads going and going, I just want to wish all our friends here a happy new year and again in Turkish yeni yiliniz kutlu olson selamlar........
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14446 times:
All the best for 2012 to all fellow A.Netters! Let me also express my gratitude to TK787 for keeping up the greatest thread on Turkish Aviation on the net!!!
northstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14373 times:
Thank you TK787 for the wonderful threads and happy new year to everyone.
After the armenian nonsense passed the parliament 2 weeks ago in france, I read somewhere that as an enforcement to France, the Turkish Government is thinking about not ordering any more Airbus aircraft for THY. I think this was in Hurriyet.
anybody came across that?
You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14365 times:
Happy new year to everyone from sunny Belgrade. Turkish Aviation thread is definitely the most interesting one on this forum and it's always a pleasure to read the updates.
This has always been a thing I could not understand, how earth an airline like Finnair could not make IST work?
On a side note, I think that Turkish aviation market has become so interesting simply because TK has become what it is today.
Up until recently chances of TK competing effectively against the well established European and Gulf carriers was slim. However, today the situation has completely changed and Turkish Airlines has certainly made the whole region more interesting.
I would also like to add that Jat Airways will be increasing Belgrade-Istanbul-Belgrade from 4 weekly flights to daily operations. They will be using their B737-300 on the route.
Flights are scheduled to depart Belgrade at 09:35 three times per week, arrival time 12:15. Four weekly flights will depart 16:15 with the scheduled arrival time to Istanbul at 18:55.
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14082 times:
TK787 What an amazing recap thank you as always.
Happy new year to all my anet friends!
Few opinions on the issues you brought up on your recap;
I feel like the 787/350 decision will never happen. I give up
I really hope UA starts EWR--IST its always great to have competition, and a market as big as IST deseves more than 1 US carrier. Having said that how is DL doing with 2 777W's on the route to compete with?
IST airport? When will they decide? A new airport or extend IST. I think with being able to take away air force space I rather them expand IST.
Now a question, when is the big shiny new A330 belonging to The president being delivered?
tozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 106 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13861 times:
On 30th December 2011, we made an interview with Hamdi Topcu, THY's chairman of the board for Kokpit Aviation TV Program. Here you are some interesting facts from Topcu:
- THY is looking for buying shares from 2-3 airlines in Europe. This will be announced soon.
- For aircraft orders THY turned to catch order cancels. Topcu said "We have ordered 12 777's in 2009 which was cancelled because of economic crise. By taking this aircrafts, THY reach 2015 long range fleet level in 2010. We are looking for same thing"
- Heavy investment to flight training. Old 737-400 and RJ100 simulator will be sold soon. THY will open a flight training center in Aydin/Cildir Airport.
- THY focus on galley manufacture. First 3 finished for Boeing 737 series. For Airbus, first one will be finished in June.
- For airline seat, the sertification planned to finish end of 2012.
Web From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 424 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13694 times:
One year ago today, I was in the middle of my first TK trip, ORD-IST-TLV. Ever since, I've been hooked on what's been happening with this fantastic airline, and I am very excited for what 2012 has in store. Thanks TK787 for your continued facilitation of discussion!
On that note, can anyone give a summary of the new routes TK is opening up in 2012? There are so many rumors that it's hard to tell the difference between a confirmed route and someone's (including TK's) wishful thinking.
emp From Austria, joined Jul 2009, 7 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13631 times:
Happy new year everyone!
Thanks TK787 for starting the threads all these years and the great summary of 2011!
I'm excited to see so many new routes for 2012 and really hope that we'll see a 787/350 order this year.
BY738 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Sep 2000, 1982 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13507 times:
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): Now that 10% of the pilots at TK are foreigners, what are the implications?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22035 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13478 times:
I see AnadoluJet will get its first pair of A320s at the end of March. Some domestic services plus ESB-Moscow will operate on the Airbus model starting March 25th.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
tozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 106 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13461 times:
According to the interview with Hamdi Topcu, he said on summer, the aircrafts will make charter flights from Antalya. As I remember, last year these aircrafts operated from Ankara for the international routes of AnadoluJet.
ju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13421 times:
Quoting tozbek (Reply 21): As I remember, last year these aircrafts operated from Ankara for the international routes of AnadoluJet.
Also some years ago Turkish Airlines operated some charter flights from Antalya. I remember they used to operate flights to Belgrade two times per week.
So more competition for Pegasus and Atlasjet.
Quoting tcm (Reply 22): TK moves Moscow operations to VKO. Summer schedule will see 4 daily flights from IST and a daily flight from AYT. Any implications in leaving SVO?
Well it seems to me that they are following Lufthansa's lead. We will probably see VKO as a Star Alliance airport in Moscow.
Web From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 424 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13412 times:
Quoting TK748 (Reply 16): All officially announced by TK.
Thanks!
Next flight: GRR-ORD-CLT-MUC-CLJ-MUC-YYZ-CLE-GRR
25 TK1244: Isn't AJA already operating a pair of (ex-Turkuaz Airlines) A320s (TC-JAI and -JBI) since March 2011?
26 TK787: Thanks everyone, nice to see you all here this new year, 2012 ( 2012, sounds like a space movie title) It took me a bit longer to get over the hangove
27 OA260: TK have started a advertising campaign and are showing it in magazines and on websites for ATH departures and some nice fares : http://activemedia.com
28 leftyboarder: Year-end passenger stats are out from DHMI on their website. Highlights: IST 37.4m (up 17%) ESB 8.5m (up 10%) ADB 8.5m (up 14%) AYT 25.1m (up 14%) SAW
29 TK787: I agree. On the other hand SAW might have the upper hand to continue its growth, maybe a potential parallel runway? It would have been nicer to inclu
30 TK787: Here is another ad/promotion from TK; FLY for 25% less miles; http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-IN...n-and-fly-for-a-25-less-miles.aspx I really like
31 NuD38: Why do they advertise in English or are these magazines and websites in English too? Fare deal is great. Closest competitor (KLM&Delta) fare (for
32 NuD38: DHMI (General Directorate of State Airports Authority) published 2011 numbers: Total number of passengers: 118.425.633 - 14,4% increase compared to 20
33 OA260: Ive seen one at the ticket desk that had the Parthenon on so we will let them off lol They have both the one on Facebook was all in Greek. They also
34 tcm: But from a design perspective it looks messy. TK's website is still very poor. I don't care much how accurate their fleet page is; but the overall de
35 TK787: I am so sorry again. I was being sarcastic.
36 LAXintl: I just heard, United was unable to secure commercially suitable slots at IST for summer 2012. In other news I received the latest set of DHMI fees for
37 TK787: Thanks, bummer. If they can't get it now, how will they ever get one in the future where TK has more and more slots?
38 LAXintl: They need to keep applying to see what opens up. Other airlines do change schedules, and in theory with upgrades at IST and ATC procedural changes the
39 gokmengs: I just heard, United was unable to secure commercially suitable slots at IST for summer 2012. Thanks for the update as always That sucks. Well does t
40 Pe@rson: Not clear to read - darn A.net - but this is IST's traffic between 2006 and 2010: Traffic (in millions) 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 Domestic passenger 11
41 tozbek: THY's new CIP lounge video: http://youtu.be/pxPhKcCp8q0 I made some business class flights in recent months. It's really great...
42 TK787: TK to start cargo ops to Mitiga, Libya; http://www.turkishcargo.com.tr/cargo...ghter-flights-to-mitiga-libya.aspx
43 TK787: Quick question about the layout of TK 77Ws; Are there lavs between the Comfort class and Economy Class, where row 20 ends and row 23 starts? Two diffe
44 OA260: It certainly is I found the different zones and food options really good. The iMacs and free wifi were also very good . I also think its the first ti
45 tcm: Yes there are lavs on the comfort side of the cabin between Y and Y+. Interesting that the map on the TK website fails to indicate it. Bravo on findi
46 Luxair747SP: Hi guys, don't know if this is the right forum to ask, but I thought you are the experts for my question. Does anyone know what is the shortest way in
47 NuD38: Lima would be a really interesting flight destination. Peru still asks for visa from Turkish citizens. Probably we will see improvements about visa re
48 TK787: -777way asks: If Sharjah, Eldoret, Nairobi and Izmir freighter services of TK cargo are operating?
49 robcol99: From T1 to domestic, you just walk. They are connected. They are on the same level. Just when you exit international arrivals, follow the signs in th
50 TK1244: I don't know if I understood the question correctly, but none of these destinations are listed on TK Cargo's winter schedule: http://wwwdownload.thy.
51 leftyboarder: Temel Kotil (should we also abbreviate him TK?) has mentioned MNL and KUL for next year (this year?), and up to 250 destinations in 5 years. Also, a 3
52 Turkish350XWB: Article says that fleet will be approx 200 at the end of 2016 (now approx 180). This means fleet growth will stop... Are these numbers correct??
53 leftyboarder: Page 12 of this report http://wwwdownload.thy.com/download/...tions/presentations/eylul_2011.pdf says that the fleet will stabilize around 202 in 2015
54 tcm: The codeshare agreements with Thai (TG) and TAM suggest to me that TK has no immediate plans for adding new South American or Asian routes. It seems t
55 ASA: Is that really possible to do ... 250 destinations ... and profitably?!!! Can someone please post what is the total number of destinations served now
56 ju068: Turkish Airlines just announced a sale between Belgrade and Istanbul that will be open throughout January and valid for flights between February 13 an
57 tcm: Well this promotion is on for most Balkan routes; As usual no mention in the English version of the website... Link: http://www.turkishairlines.com/t
58 tcm: BBC news piece on TK titled: "Will TK Keep Upward Trend?" link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16460556[Edited 2012-01-08 16:07:58]
59 TK748: Including 2012 Announcements 165 International destinations and 169 airports (Excluding long time ago announced but not started Oran Algiers, Atlanta
60 NuD38: Good point. Somehow I had the idea that Turkish airspace is closed to Armenian companies. Totally missed that Armavia operates between Yerevan and Is
61 Pe@rson: Anyone know for sure how many connecting passengers there are at IST? I'm just interested, that's all. Also, when does TK's IST-MGQ service start?
62 ju068: Well that is not very smart unless they are aiming at attracting more Turks at flying with them. On my flight yesterday from Belgrade to Athens there
63 tcm: My understanding is that they are aiming this promotion at the Turkish market (still no excuse for not having a English version as well), especially
64 ju068: Of course, I guess that Turkey has the same problem as the Balkans. In the Balkans the vast majority of people consider traveling by plane as too exp
65 TK787: Few more changes to TK S12 schedule: http://airlineroute.net/2012/01/09/tk-longhaul-s12update1/ -Dar es Salaam with 333 4 x weekly? That much demand o
66 stylo777: please correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard a huge number of TK Elite/Elite Plus passengers are usually on those flights. Azerbaijanis doing business
67 bahadir: Here are some stuff that I heard : - MNG has got the conversion and will purchane some Onur A300-600s and convert them to frieghers - Onur is getting
68 OA260: Hi everyone my TK Trip report can be found here with lots of photos Türk Hava Yolları-B77W New J Class +New IST Lounge (by OA260 Jan 11 2012 in Trip
69 LGWflyer: TK has been at LGW now for 23 days and has brought us 20 different aircraft which made up of 3x A320, 13x A321 and 4x B738. Keep up the good work TK!
70 Tsveto4nik: Actually, AZAL uses B763 on this route twice daily from summer 2011... IMHO, it has nothing to do with load factor, 757-200 twice daily was quite eno
71 ju068: Thanks for the clarification. Also, doesn't AZAL fly to a bunch of regional flights on their Atrs which are timed conveniently for connections? Or is
72 emrecan: Great report Philip. It shows a lot for the ones who were sad when TK purchased the 77Ws.
73 Tsveto4nik: Well, sorry for going off-topic in Turkish Aviation thread, but ATR are flying to Tehran, Tebriz, Atyrau... Regional routes are dead - it's easier an
74 Turkish350XWB: In an interview, Temel Kotil says that TK will fly from the biggest airport in Istanbul. Now, this is being interpreted as TK could move to SAW when t
75 OA260: Hi there thanks . Yes Im so happy TK got the 77W's a real nice cabin and aircraft. Just one question about the onboard Chef. Is he a fully trained FA
76 ASA: Thanks, TK748 !!! That's a lot of destinations. I agree now that 250 is not impossible within a few years. More cities in the US, more cities in Euro
77 debonair: Hi to you all and Happy New Year! Sorry if disscused before... SAGA AIRLINES Whats the status on SAGA AIRLINES? Are they still flying for ARIANA and w
78 NuD38: In TK, flying chefs have safety and first aid trainings.
79 wing: Just a quick question,are these cargo versions or last batch of the -300's?and will that make the total number of A330 additions 5 with the cargo air
80 TK787: Merhaba Kanat, This year the remaining 3 x 330-300 will join the fleet, bringing the total to 10 330-300s and TK will receive one 332F each for the n
81 Turkish350XWB: Another "bug" in the TK website. In the Turkish version's news section they tell which company is the insurer of their planes etc. Perhaps interesting
82 OA260: Here is a zoomed in version and it was TC-SGB Great thanks for the info .
83 ju068: Is it only for Belgrade passengers or does Turkish Airlines offer free dinner at IST for all Balkan passengers who are travelling to China?
84 TK773ER: I was looking at flying from MEL or SYD to IST this year, And i was looking at TK website i came across this ? If you look at code share its with Asia
85 tozbek: Flying Chefs got the basic cabin attendant training
86 tozbek: Turkish spotters want a photo terrace in Istanbul Ataturk Airport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISZBWmiRfU (From Kokpit Aviation TV Program)
87 TK787: Thanks for the link. Photo terrace at IST could be nice to visit once at the airport for everyone but, I think they do take better shots from the FLy
88 Turkish350XWB: And the post got deleted... And all the posts quoting that one as well. What a pity...
89 TK787: Yippee!!! TK website finally posts 739ER as part of the fleet, only a month late. But now it is official, they have 16J/135Y seats. I am not sure what
90 wing: Any flight longer than 12 hours at night and 14 hours during day requires an additional pilot and a flight attendant.Also some routes classified as "
91 Tsveto4nik: Dear friends, I have a question. Next month going to visit Kuala Lumpur flying via Istanbul by TK. IST-KUL flight is share-coded and operated by MH. Q
92 tcm: Yes; on a TK issued ticket bonus miles will be added for your MH codeshare flight to KUL as a Miles&Smiles member. Just make sure to keep your BP
94 CityAirline: TK increase in Sweden this summer: IST-GOT Up from 1 daily to 10 weekly IST-ARN Up from 18 weekly to 3 daily /Alex
95 Pe@rson: Hi all, What's IST like for viewing - not getting registrations or taking photos - the movements both airside and landside within the terminal? Cheers
97 TurkishWings: From what I know, their work conditions are not as great as the flight attendants. I often hear that their layovers are shorter too.
98 stylo777: in terms of runway movements per hour it is 50 as far as I know. physically a 744 is the limit at the moment. the taxiways are not A380 ready and I a
99 tcm: Thanks; that explains why they look often quite exhausted. I really feel for them considering all that long-haul flying they have to do.
101 Turkish350XWB: Thanks! But with the physical limit i meant: what is the maximum runway movement capacity if we put in the latest technology?
102 emrecan: http://www.speednews.com/EquipmentRe...&Manufacturer=Airbus&Aircraft=A340 Too many A340s for sale including TK's.. Someone has a detailed info
103 robcol99: That's a not a very easy question to answer. A recent study shows that 60 IFR is possible. During good weather, if you allow VFR then you might actua
104 bahadir: TK has been trying to sell some of these for some time.. They are all paid for and they are owned by TK. I heard that Onur Air is looking at them as
105 TK787: Maybe I am wrong but I have read on another thread that there is nothing wrong with Iran buying 7 year old planes, totally legal. No need for back do
106 tozbek: Bahadır, did you remember THY previous general manager Abdurrahman Gundogdu's statement to us saying "4 is better than 2" It was year 2003 and I didn
107 TK773ER: Looks like TK is slowly getting around to painting http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7294168&nseq=0 At this passe i wonder how long before the
108 TK1244: I have such a feeling that we will see the 'old' tulip livery many years from now, like what happened with previous livery changes of Delta and Unite
109 emrecan: They should have changed the winglet scheme as well[Edited 2012-01-19 01:27:35]
111 konrad: Greetings to Turkish aviation fans! Rumors have been floating around Poland that TK is considering taking a stake in LOT Polish Airlines which are to
112 TK787: TK announced earlier that they will be buying some shares of other airlines this year. As you might know, rumors were, TK was interested in OS, then
113 konrad: Thanks, indeed I remember the TK interest in OS. Still, it is not clear to me what is the business plan of taking over LOT. The local market in Polan
114 TK787: With its limitations at its hub IST for the moment, TK's double digit grow is eventually will slow down and until a big airport is built the only way
115 gokmengs: Interesting thing is , Airbus is trying to sell some -600s and they look pretty new.. I am wondering if TK might be interested in getting them. After
116 TK1244: Talking about takeover of airlines by TK, how is B&H doing so far?
117 A388: I haven't read the entire thread but I have seen that summary made by TK787 of all TK's movements in 2011, wow. That is great work!!! I see MIA is rum
118 stylo777: yesterdays TK017 IST-YYZ diverted to DTW http://de.flightaware.com/live/fligh...7/history/20120119/0930Z/LTBA/CYYZ plane was 77W TC-JJM View Large Vie
119 tcm: Just flew IST-SIN; packed flight. They now operate it as a triple codeshare; TK/SQ/Garuda. Service was average until breakfast when they decided just
120 ju068: It's a total mess, they keep on adding and cancelling routes. No real strategy at all.
121 tcm: Ha, yet another rumor: TK interested in Czech national carrier CSA. link: http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=10892 (Turkish)
122 HB-IWC: That was quite early, for sure given the fact that they still do the CGK tag. No crew change in SIN.
123 tcm: Well, they (Probably the Do&Co Chef is the main culprit here) forgot to heat up the main breakfast orders (In my case the Menemen) and didn't eve
124 tcm: TK showing some real interest in LOT according to their Chairman. More here: http://www.dha.com.tr/thy-polonya-ha...iyor-son-dakika-haberi_261512.html
125 TK787: tcm, enjoy your stay and safe flights back. About LOT, well this is coming from the chairman and at this point we should talk about it seriously. I r
126 tozbek: Poland have a capacity to grow. The Polish people called "Germans of the region" They are good on manufacturing. But the airline is not performing goo
127 TK787: About LOT and TK, here is another piece of news from two years ago; http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...presses-interest-lot-jat-buys-0518 "TK want
128 tcm: Thanks TK787! It was a weekend trip and I returned back with the same crew. This time they were really good and sincere in providing a top notch serv
129 NuD38: TK web page is somehow not working properly. Any attempt to see main page or any other link ends up troya reservation page (http://www4.thy.com/troyao
131 bmibaby737: Any information on if Turkish Cargo A310 TC-JCV has been stored, and if so where/when? Likewise for Turkish 737-400 TC-JDT[Edited 2012-01-23 05:13:59]
132 leftyboarder: At first I thought I was mistaken but yes, first A340 painted in new colors: http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7298916&nseq=0 Much needed chan
133 TK787: Thanks for the link. I wonder if this means that they will be around longer than we expected since -JDM is the 4th oldest 340 in TK's fleet, born Apr
134 NuD38: TK Boeing 777-3F2(ER) fleet utilization according to my calculations: 13 hours 53 minutes. This results does not include non-scheduled Boeing 777-3F2(
135 viasa: This A310 was damaged back in 2010 in Casablanca: http://avherald.com/h?article=433ef08c&opt=0 As I understand, the aircraft was an economic writ
136 bmibaby737: Ah, wow, thanks for that. I was unaware of this incident!
137 stylo777: nice promo videos by TAV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF6DiKpWtsg&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guaCjsAI8YQ&featur
138 tcm: According to the Minister of Transportation plans for the 3rd airport underway. There are still conflicting reports about the exact location as author
139 TK787: http://airlineroute.net/2012/01/26/tk-germany-s12/ IST- Bremen and Leipzig start Apr and May making them 10th and 11th German cities served by TK. Wit
140 ju068: I just checked on the map and this location seems quite good to me. Maybe someone could help me but should this airport be better than Ataturk for th
141 Pe@rson: Impressive! Any news yet on IST-MGQ start date?
142 TK787: If you search "Akpınar, Türkiye" on google maps, you will get a better picture of the proposed area. It is pretty far from the Asian side or pretty
143 TK748: Not determined yet. Turkey has undertaken the project to modernize the MGQ. Last month a team from Turkish State Airports Management (DHMI) went to M
144 ju068: Cool thanks for that. I guess that google map doesn't really indicate how far something is unless you know the region that well. I guess with good ac
145 TK787: http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...=ENG&utm_campaign=Valentines%2BDay Am I reading this correct? If you buy a ticket to travel between IST-LAX
146 TK787: Half of TK's passengers carried comes from its domestic network. Knowing how predatory TK is and how close it is to the current government, they will
147 tcm: My understanding is that the 3rd airport, the canal Istanbul project and the 3rd Bosphorus bridge will be all part of a big master plan for the city
148 tcm: 1 euro plus taxes and relevant fees. TK does the Valentines promotion each year, some really good deals to be found. They announced it a while ago, s
150 TK787: Actually, I agree mostly. About the .pdf about the TK's strategic objectives; Good info on most fronts but; It states that Turkey is the world's larg
151 tcm: Although being an Economist by education; I missed that part You certainly are like a hawk TK787 BTW, I also think that this was unnecessary unless i
152 stylo777: Lufthansa isn't really amused of that (their homemarket)... ...and neither with this announcement. As you remember, they will start a big Berlin offi
153 tcm: It might not be very appealing visually; but I was quite impressed to see the growth figures. I'd rather have executives with poor presentation abili
154 radiopolitic: While I'm all for a new airport. I'm not a fan of the proposed area that's discussed in that article. I thought down on the Marmara coast was a much b
155 Turkish350XWB: Forget about the green. It seems like they want to expand the city til the black sea. I also would prefer the area between buyukcekmece lake and siliv
156 ASA: WOW ... that's up north, wayyyy north! But on the Black Sea ... so it would be fun to land there too! I tried looking up the place in Google Maps ...
157 radiopolitic: Ahh Turkey... at the forefront of urban planning.
158 TK787: She is not alone. We usually say " Ahhh Kenya....." between friends who spent some time there.
159 radiopolitic: I wasn't aware this was a thread on Kenyan Aviation.
160 OA260: The annual Valentines offers Cant beat them . Great way to get status miles for Star Gold
161 NuD38: I don't intend to make it more confusing but from what I understand, the airport up on north is not the third airport. It is the so called the fourth
162 radiopolitic: Ah yes. The AKP pamphlets at the time of the election last year advertised 5-6(?) new airports did they not? Where'd you get these images from?
163 robcol99: Depending on where the new airport is located, Ataturk will become a domestic airport. So TK might base aircraft for lucritave domestic flights (and
164 ju068: I wonder if they would keep the name Ataturk ... What do you think, will they go for three or four runways? At the pace they are expanding...
165 Turkish350XWB: I hope they transfer this name to the new airport. Ist this possible btw? IATA/ICAO codes can be transferred, what about names?
166 ju068: I guess that if the codes can be transferred then the name should not be a problem. All they have to do is give another name to the current Ataturk a
167 NuD38: Screenshots I've taken a few years ago. I cannot find the source anymore. Prepared by Tyson Stevens architecture and urbanism.
168 radiopolitic: http://www.caup.umich.edu/pdfs/workfolios/turkey_f07.pptx Seems it was from a University of Michigan student project of sorts.[Edited 2012-01-27 07:10
169 ASA: Maybe like the New Turkish Lira ... they'll call it the New Ataturk Airport! Is runway numbers the main source of congestion at IST? Because looks to
170 ju068: As of the end of March, AZAL will be adding 4 additional frequencies between Baku and Ankara. http://azal.az/az/news-view/39/
171 Mermoz 1: 3 new pax A330 are supposed to come this year. does anyone know where they will be deployed? i see no advertisment for new routes for them. are they r
172 stylo777: Most of them will replace the 340's or are used to increase frequencies. The latest announcement was: DAR 4/7, daily DEL and JNB/CPT and the second d
173 NuD38: According to TK web page, both daily flights to JFK will be served with Boeing 777. TK 777 fleet is already underutilized. Why do they need A330 rotat
174 TK787: Looks like a pretty messy day at IST. Arrivals are using runway 5 and I can see all arriving aircraft doing holding patterns. TK cancelled bunch of fl
175 LAXintl: Some traffic data for THY at Los Angeles. For 2011 their first year of service at LAX, TK averaged 77.8% load factor over 192 flights and carried an a
176 TK748: Good analysis of TK's 2012 expansion plans by CAPA. http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...w-turkish-airlines-to-africa-66908 Kotil says; US expansion
177 ju068: Wow that will be interesting to see how it performs. I am sure that their flights from Belgrade and Skopje are going to contribute greatly to filling
178 TK787: Hmmm, I see a bunch of wrong information there; -It says that no widebody deliveries to TK in 2012. There will be 3 x 333s coming in this year. -It s
179 ASA: TK should apply for fifth freedom rights between Bangladesh and Australia and launch IST-DAC-SYD flights. There is a huge amount of traffic (low-yiel
180 Steelyman: This is correct, TK8000 is operated by MH not by TK
181 TK787: Thanks, I knew something was wrong with my post. More flights being cancelled at IST. It must be terrible for so many pax. I have a friend trying to
182 stylo777: TK787, you don't want to be in IST these days! It's a real mess! it started already last Friday...
183 TK787: I am sure this will be a huge eye opener for anyone thinking IST is some warm climate transfer point. I know this is not normal weather conditions fo
184 ju068: Could someone tell me how come Turkish sends its widebodies to Casablanca? Is there a lot of O&D or they take a lot of connecting traffic?
185 tcm: There might be some trivial errors; but a very interesting analysis on TK's African expansion, thank you very much for the link TK748 .As expected, T
186 stylo777: I might be very harsh again against TGS, but this is too much for them. There is no real coordination, they are just overwhelmed. In such situations
187 Steelyman: First time I see this weather in 4 years... Fortunately all flights delayed so at least from our station there are not so much missions.
188 OA260: Sure is being hit by bad conditions. I have Athens and Istanbul on my weather App and had to look twice when I saw the temperatures! 184 flights canc
189 TK787: Please continue here: Turkish Aviation February 2012 (by TK787 Jan 31 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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