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7 AA MD80's Parked At DFW's Old GA Ramp  
User currently offlinen757tw From United States of America, joined May 2000, 113 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

I was out spotting yesterday at DFW and noticed 7 AA MD80's parked tight together on the old GA ramp next to the Bravo bridge. It would be odd to have that many birds for charters, and the west hangers had plenty of space for the weekend lull. Are these planes parked in preparation for their return to lessors?

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User currently offlinePaul787 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12568 times:

Or they could be going to the dessert. AA keeps getting new 738s which are replacing the MD80s.

And, doesn't AA own all of their MD80s?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12568 times:

Quoting Paul787 (Reply 1):
And, doesn't AA own all of their MD80s?

That's an A-net myth that has been busted, I think most are leased.



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User currently offlinen757tw From United States of America, joined May 2000, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12500 times:

Quick picture from my iPhone:

Old GA ramp 12/31/2011


User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12488 times:

I would guess they we just parked for the day due to a reduced holiday flight schedule.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

Quoting Paul787 (Reply 1):
And, doesn't AA own all of their MD80s?

Errr...no. More a leased vs owned because AA went through a huge sale-lease back last year on many 738s and S80s to raise cash.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 4):
I would guess they we just parked for the day due to a reduced holiday flight schedule.

Quite possible. Delta North in Atlanta was a huge parking lot over the past few days because of the depressed flight schedule over x-mas and new years. Not only DL a/c but a bunch of CRJs over at the old city hanger (ASA A-Tech Center).



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12240 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
More a leased vs owned because AA went through a huge sale-lease back last year on many 738s and S80s to raise cash.

   I want to say that the vast majority of the AA fleet is either leased or being used as collateral on loans after they've spent the last few years hemorrhaging cash.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2925 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12073 times:

Quoting Paul787 (Reply 1):
Or they could be going to the dessert.

Mmmmm, tasty MD-80 dessert.

In any case, those planes don't look to be set for any kind of long-term storage.



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1356 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10309 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):

In any case, those planes don't look to be set for any kind of long-term storage.

They're not. AA commonly uses this space for holiday storage. Today, the 80's are out and there is a 772 (I didn't catch the tail #, so I can't be sure it was an ER, but probably) over there.

This space is also used for Charter storage now that the E Satellite terminal is occupied with nightly RONs. But AA does frequently store just about every type in the inventory there when the need arises.

As for long term storage prep, I'm not 100% certain, but I've heard from more than a few folks that that is actually done up at TUL before they get sent off to ROW.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 8):
They're not. AA commonly uses this space for holiday storage. Today, the 80's are out and there is a 772 (I didn't catch the tail #, so I can't be sure it was an ER, but probably) over there.

I thought all of AA's 777-200s were ERs.


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1356 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 9):

I want to say there are about four of them that are not. I'll have to check airfleets later.



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User currently offlineAmericanAirFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

I went on a fun trip to DFW yesterday just for fun to ride the train around and watch the airport move about. I too saw it except when I was there in the morning I saw 5, and I saw a 6th one getting towed to that area. My guess was what you have guessed. They're headed out for retirement.

EDIT** From reading others posts I guess not so quickly are these aircraft headed for the boneyard. However, it got my mind thinking that.

[Edited 2012-01-01 13:49:45]


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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 8480 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 9):
I thought all of AA's 777-200s were ERs.
Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 10):
I want to say there are about four of them that are not. I'll have to check airfleets later.

All of AA's 777-200s are ERs.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13047 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 8243 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Quoting Paul787 (Reply 1):
And, doesn't AA own all of their MD80s?

That's an A-net myth that has been busted, I think most are leased.
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
Errr...no. More a leased vs owned because AA went through a huge sale-lease back last year on many 738s and S80s to raise cash.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
I want to say that the vast majority of the AA fleet is either leased or being used as collateral on loans after they've spent the last few years hemorrhaging cash.

  

There is little AA hasn't used as collateral for loans. They loose money but build cash... the difference is borrowing prior to bankruptcy. We'll see mass MD-80 retirements; anyone else think they'll try to extend bankruptcy to significant 738/A319 deliveries?

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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
I want to say that the vast majority of the AA fleet is either leased or being used as collateral on loans after they've spent the last few years hemorrhaging cash.

AA has 272 leased planes (141 MD-80's of 224, 13 of 58 763's, 12 of 15 762's, 40 of 124 757's and 66 of 152 738's) and 348 owned planes. Eagle has 255 owned planes and 39 leased (all ATRs).



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13047 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5900 times:
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Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 14):
AA has 272 leased planes (141 MD-80's of 224, 13 of 58 763's, 12 of 15 762's, 40 of 124 757's and 66 of 152 738's) and 348 owned planes. Eagle has 255 owned planes and 39 leased (all ATRs).

Latest quarterly report had 338 (it had the operating lease portion withheld as proprietary information):
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ol_selectgroup=Quarterly%20Filings

Do you have a newer link or better source?
Thanks in advance,
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User currently offlineusairways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting AmericanAirFan (Reply 11):

I suppose you were the guy with that huge camera taking photos, that I walked by haha.



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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 15):
Latest quarterly report had 338 (it had the operating lease portion withheld as proprietary information):
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ol_selectgroup=Quarterly%20Filings

Do you have a newer link or better source?

This was going by their year end report at 2010, so a year old. Sorry I don't have anything newer



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