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Airblue A321 Crash In Pakistan 2010  
User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7627 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

http://news.aviation-safety.net/2011...d-fatal-a321-accident-in-pakistan/

Hopefully this will act as a wake up to the risks of poor CRM.

It is always particularly distressing when a fatal crash is so needless.

The part that I found particularly baffling was the earlier Q&A session which seems to have prepared the grounds for the subsequent crash.

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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

I thought better CRM traing, had been standard since Tenerife. This crash should not have happened, and it sad that the First Officer, just let the captain make this mistake.

User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

A very scary read on avherald, as there were many procedural errors on the part of the crew despite technology telling them to do otherwise.

http://avherald.com/h?article=42ee2e58/0000&opt=0

Air blue crash has been finalized as a case of Controlled Flight into Terrain (CFIT), in which aircrew failed to display superior judgment and professional skills in a self created unsafe environment. In their pursuit to land in inclement weather, they committed serious violations of procedures and breaches of flying discipline, which put the aircraft in an unsafe condition over dangerous terrain at low altitude.



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7627 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Personally, I am always reluctant to criticise "honest" mistakes.

However, there are those who say that some pilots should be subject to criminal sanctions for negligance. IMO, if the Captain had survived, then this would be an ideal example of this.

I find it incredible that the FO did not act out of sheer self preservation.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4702 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):

I find it incredible that the FO did not act out of sheer self preservation.

I can see why he didn't. If someone has been grilling you for some time, working on your confidence in a negative way I can see how you become submissive, especially considering that this is not a western country, which in general seem to have less of a problem challenging authority. If you look at the avherald link the F/O did try, but the actions of the captain earlier likely made him too passive.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2663 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

I've not read about such poor CRM and such a bully of a Captain since Van Zanten's jaunt down the Tenerife runway.

The real crazy thing about this flight is that, if the FO had become more assertive and taken over control, he'd be probably have been out of a job before he got back to home base. Beaurocratic nonesense would had gotten him fired for countermanding his Captain's orders, as no doubt the bully would have filed a formal complaint.

[Edited 2012-01-03 00:01:09]


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

What a tragedy. What was the pilot thinking about?

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