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More Air Services To And From Charlottesville, VA?  
User currently offlineOldDominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 395 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

With CHO being my new hometown from the Silly-con Valley of SJC, is there any reason we don't have at least one or two flts to MCO, TPA, FLL or MIA? Pop a CRJ on US/DL and we're home-free. I think DL/ASA flew CHO-ORL for a while, not sure. But being a 3-hr drive to WAS and almost 4-hr to CLT, you'd think we could at least fill one or two RJ's going down there? I'd Think AA could put an ER3 at least to connect to LATAM/Carib. routes.

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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5533 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

We FL/WN could probably have a one a day flight to ATL. Then you could connect to anywhere within the system. I doubt with the exception of the Mexico locations will FL add any more cities with the certificate to totally become absorbed into
our parent company WN is within 2 months. A 717 flight to ATL would work. Especially with UVA so close.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6729 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

An RJ flying CHO-MCO would be a disaster financially....low yield, long flight on an RJ is a recipe to lose money.

CHO's best chance for MCO service would really be G4 to SFB. Given the population around CHO, they could probably support a 3x weekly flight to SFB. However, with G4 already serving ROA, I'm not sure they'd want to add CHO too. The markets do overlap each other to some degree especially when you are talking leisure travelers that will drive more to save money.


User currently offlineDash8Driver16 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

RIC is only an hour and a half away.

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5533 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 3):

RIC is only an hour and a half away.

Maybe I'm spoiled but an hour and a half drive to the nearest airport is a drag. Heck, most of the flights I take are not that much longer than that drive. My drive to work BWI is 25 to 30 minutes when traffic is not jacked up. And RIC has limited flights.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Given that Charlottesville is a university town, demand for a year-round service to Florida might be rather low given that the calendar there isn't all that flexible.

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5533 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
Given that Charlottesville is a university town, demand for a year-round service to Florida might be rather low given that the calendar there isn't all that flexible.

True but isn't this general area increasing in population due to tech jobs and I thought this area is pretty affluent.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6585 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3340 times:
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Quoting OldDominion727 (Thread starter):
But being a 3-hr drive to WAS and almost 4-hr to CLT

I´m not sure how it is nowadays, but when I lived in CHO, for two years, I flew many times CHO-EWR on Colgan and got all the FF miles from CO. It was a 1900D operation and pretty comfortable.

There were also flights to PIT and PHL on US, usually a DHC-300 flight.

And as someone else said, there´s always RIC which is not actually 1 hour and a half away but close to 1hr and very easy to get into from CHO.

I did ATL-RIC at least twice on a DL MD-80 and just had to drive for 1hr to get home.


User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting OldDominion727 (Thread starter):
I think DL/ASA flew CHO-ORL for a while, not sure

This service was announced but was never operated. I think CHO could possibly work as a G4 city, but for the airport, getting the runway extension complete, and keeping AA around, is the main priority right now. Rumor is that once the extension is complete DL will possibly bring back the flight (2x in Summer) to DTW.

Service to CHO right now is:
CHO to:
ATL 3x CRJ - DL
IAD 4x SF3 - UA
CLT 6x CRJ 1xDH3 - US
PHL 3x DH3 - US
LGA 3x DH8 - US (ends 7/11)
LGA 1x ERJ - DL (starts 7/12)
ORD 2x ERD - AA


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 1):

We FL/WN could probably have a one a day flight to ATL. Then you could connect to anywhere within the system. I doubt with the exception of the Mexico locations will FL add any more cities with the certificate to totally become absorbed into
our parent company WN is within 2 months. A 717 flight to ATL would work. Especially with UVA so close.

So, ABE and MDT only got ATL for a summer each.. TYS, LEX, AVL and CRW never got the ATL opportunity, but you think CHO could work? Delta would eat them.

Quoting OldDominion727 (Thread starter):
s there any reason we don't have at least one or two flts to MCO, TPA, FLL or MIA? Pop a CRJ on US/DL and we're home-free. I think DL/ASA flew CHO-ORL for a while, not sure.

Not saying you couldnt put a few people in the seats, but airlines simply don't do that. RJ's on low yield routes dont work out so well.


CHO's best bet for Florida is G4, period. Or you could always go the way of Vision if you wan't another announced but never flown service.


User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

I would definitely welcome more CHO to ATL or new CHO to Florida service. My sister lives in Charlottesville and my mother lives in St. Petersburg. I am hoping for my mom that G4 might start PIE to CHO service. My mom usually connects in CLT via US Airways to get to CHO. I usually either fly to RIC on DL from ATL or just drive. Fares from ATL to CHO are absolutely rediculous...DL wanted $830 or 50k SkyMiles for me to fly round trip ATL-CHO for Christmas, even if would have flown on Christmas day.

I seem to remember either on this board or another, there was some discussion that G4 had their eyes on CHO for potential new service.



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User currently offlinerbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 8):
Service to CHO right now is:
CHO to:
ATL 3x CRJ - DL
IAD 4x SF3 - UA
CLT 6x CRJ 1xDH3 - US
PHL 3x DH3 - US
LGA 3x DH8 - US (ends 7/11)
LGA 1x ERJ - DL (starts 7/12)
ORD 2x ERD - AA

While it may seem substandard to you, many cities would love to have this level of service.


User currently offlineandyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 4):

So your drive to BWI is only 25 minutes? Then why use CHO at all? Am I missing something here?


User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting rbgso (Reply 11):
Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 8):
Service to CHO right now is:
CHO to:
ATL 3x CRJ - DL
IAD 4x SF3 - UA
CLT 6x CRJ 1xDH3 - US
PHL 3x DH3 - US
LGA 3x DH8 - US (ends 7/11)
LGA 1x ERJ - DL (starts 7/12)
ORD 2x ERD - AA

While it may seem substandard to you, many cities would love to have this level of service.

I do not think it is substandard, I'm from CHO and I think the airport has decent amount of service currently. I waas simply just posting what the service was so people who didn't know could know... There are lots of other cities that are bigger than CHO that only have 1 or 2 airlines.


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting Dash8Driver16 (Reply 3):
RIC is only an hour and a half away.

So is IAD.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6585 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2492 times:
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Quoting eastern023 (Reply 14):
So is IAD.

Nope. That´s actually two hrs, I will concede 1:45 mins if you have a lead foot. But good luck with the State Troopers. I can attest to their efficiency.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5533 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting andyinpit (Reply 12):


So your drive to BWI is only 25 minutes? Then why use CHO at all? Am I missing something here?

I meant, I'm spoiled having my closest airport which happens to be my workplace within a half hour drive from home. An 1 hr and 45 min to 2 hour drive is a schlep. Heck, with a good tailwind a flight from SRQ to BWI takes 1 hr. and 15 minutes.



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User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

When Fayetteville, AR closed FYV to commercial traffic and opened XNA, AA saw the need go begin flights to LGA, ORD , and upgrade equip on some flghts to MD80's to DFW. At the same time they cut LIT service to SF3,ATR and 1 one F100. My point is AA flies DFWRIC, but CHO is growing like gang busters. With the distance of the other airports in the aforementioned threads, couldn't CHO hold a few CR7's to DFW? I really don't see the hesitation? They do it from ORD. But they don't get as much of a load as they could with the "re-sizing" of ORD traffic. I am not just picking on AA, DL could pop in a nonstop to MSP for west coast connections other than ATL. I hate mergers. They spell consolidation, less traffic and jobs (ask the people of QQ, PS, WA, TW, NW, AQ, PA, & EA plus so many others). There's a lot of industry coming to or have arrived in CHO, college town too. Seems to me like someone is really missing the boat.

User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Quoting andyinpit (Reply 12):

BWI is not 25 mins from CHO. Someone is guessing. They need to use a map other than a US map where the cities look really close to each other.


User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting rbgso (Reply 11):

While I absolutely agree that it's quite a bit of service, it's mainly to E Coast hubs for E Coast Travel. LGA you can't really go anywhere West without changing 2x's. CHO via CLT (on W Coast) you'd need to change 2x unless SEA, SFO, LAX, same via IAD. The only additional service ATL creates is one red-eye from SJC via ATL. The rest is from SEA,SFO,LAX,SAN seems like a lot of gaps. I guess DL serves it the best, and we'll just wait until there's more demand.


User currently offlineandyinpit From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 18):


Believe me I know. I used to work at BWI and it's a stretch to get downtown in 20 minutes.


To me, IAD through DEN makes the most sense. Yeah it's a bit of a drive, probably around 60-90 minutes depending on traffic, but Denver allows for more connections on the west coast, while still going in the right direction. (versus north/south to go west).

I used to work for UA in Richmond, and I would drive all the time up it Dulles to catch flights. Those RJs are notorious for crapping the bed  


User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7810 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

As a former UVA grad student and C-Ville resident of 3 and half years (split into two), I only flew out of CHO twice. Otherwise I'd use RIC, IAD or DCA.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 13):
There are lots of other cities that are bigger than CHO that only have 1 or 2 airlines.

Roanoke and Lynchburg come immediately to mind and they are nowhere near as close to any other alternate airports.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 15):
Quoting eastern023 (Reply 14):
So is IAD.

Nope. That´s actually two hrs, I will concede 1:45 mins if you have a lead foot. But good luck with the State Troopers. I can attest to their efficiency.

Slogging up 29 sucks and depending on where in C-Ville you live and the time of day it may take at least half an hour to get out of town, I lived on the south side and always dreaded that drive. I once had a late morning departure from IAD to DEN and left a little later than I should have, between the drive, a potty stop, and parking in the long-term lot I made it to the gate as boarding was well underway..... way too close for my liking.


That said I think CHO is reasonably well served for an area that is still



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 17):
When Fayetteville, AR closed FYV to commercial traffic and opened XNA, AA saw the need go begin flights to LGA, ORD , and upgrade equip on some flghts to MD80's to DFW. At the same time they cut LIT service to SF3,ATR and 1 one F100. My point is AA flies DFWRIC, but CHO is growing like gang busters. With the distance of the other airports in the aforementioned threads, couldn't CHO hold a few CR7's to DFW? I really don't see the hesitation? They do it from ORD. But they don't get as much of a load as they could with the "re-sizing" of ORD traffic. I am not just picking on AA, DL could pop in a nonstop to MSP for west coast connections other than ATL. I hate mergers. They spell consolidation, less traffic and jobs (ask the people of QQ, PS, WA, TW, NW, AQ, PA, & EA plus so many others). There's a lot of industry coming to or have arrived in CHO, college town too. Seems to me like someone is really missing the boat.

Lets come back to the real world for a second.

1. CHO has great air service, especially for a town it's size. GREAT air service.
2. CR7 to DFW would be insanity. AA isn't going to throw their most premium regional jet into a city like CHO. I'm sure ORD does ok, but if it were doing gangbusters you'd have more than 2 ERD on the route. So the answer to your DFW question is no. Look at AA's network and the placement of CR7. If DFW were even a realistic possibility, you'd be looking at 1 daily ER3 or ERD to start with.
3. CHO is growing, and that's great. Why bring XNA into this? Is Wal-Mart moving their headquarters to CHO? That's a huge part of what drives XNA traffic.


No, DL couldn't just pop a nonstop to MSP. It wouldn't work; period. If they add MSP to TRI, ROA, AVL, LEX, TYS, CRW, CHA, ILM, CAK, MDT, and about 20 other markets that are stronger than CHO.. then we can realistically look at a MSP flight. Don't count on any of those cities happening though.

Like I said earlier, CHO has great air service and I'm sure most routes do well but it's important to keep everything into perspective.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21855 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 6):
True but isn't this general area increasing in population due to tech jobs and I thought this area is pretty affluent.

Is it really that much of hassle to connect through IAD, ATL or CLT?

-Mir



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6585 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
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Quoting desertjets (Reply 21):
Slogging up 29 sucks and depending on where in C-Ville you live and the time of day it may take at least half an hour to get out of town, I lived on the south side and always dreaded that drive. I once had a late morning departure from IAD to DEN and left a little later than I should have, between the drive, a potty stop, and parking in the long-term lot I made it to the gate as boarding was well underway..... way too close for my liking.

You are right. It´s probably one of the road trips with more adventures I can recall in my life. My arrival at IAD did always seemed to be too close for my liking.

One time I arrived, and I was sure I had missed my flight, which was the 17:30 CO departure to IAH, imperative that I take it to make my connection from IAH to MTY, the last IAH-MTY flight of the day. But, alas, the flight arriving into IAD was late, so CO put me in AA to ORD to connect to DFW and then on to MTY. The flight to ORD was standard but at ORD, when I was approaching the gate, I saw an MD-11 so here´s me praying that´s my flight, and sure it was. I had flown on an MD-11 only once before, but this was on a window seat and the thing took off like a rocket. I guess ORD-DFW requires minimal fuel. Arrived almost 5 hrs late at MTY but nothing beat the MD-11 ride.

On the flip side of the coin, on another occassion I arrived at IAD in time, the CO check in agent tells me matter of factly: "The flight from IAH is late, it won´t depart in time for you to make the connection at IAH so we put you on tomorrow´s flight, so you better head home." And I go ballistic of course, because "home" was a two hrs. night drive away of which I had just arrived, and "tomorrow´s flight" was at 07:00AM which essentially meant I would have spent the past 12 hrs driving between CHO and IAD in circles for no good reason. So I had to DEMAND she put me on my original IAD-IAH and then in a hotel at IAH which after much yelling and (almost) cursing, she did.

I think that´s the only time I´ve not been exactly polite with a check in agent.

So yeah, that CHO-IAD drive was not something I looked forward too. And at that time, the only flight on CO was out of RIC was to CLE.

[Edited 2012-01-04 12:37:35]

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