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AA 737-800 Sky Interior Low Windows?  
User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11307 times:
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I flew MIA-ORD last night in a brand new AA 737-800 with the Sky Interior, and while i liked the way the cabin looks, there was something odd about the height of of the windows in economy. The top of the windows seem to be at shoulder level. I am 5"8, and i have never had to bend down to look out, in any plane

As a reference, i had just transferred from a "regular" AA 737-800 (in business class), and the windows seemed fine there..

Are the windows really lower? or was the 2.5hr connection nightmare that is using MIA messed up my head?  


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11262 times:

Well, the windows aren't at a different level, but maybe the seats are up higher in coach?

BTW.... Did this flight have WiFi available?


User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

They can't change the window height as it is how the actual aircraft is designed and not just the interior. However most windows are rather low and this may simply be the first time you have noticed it.

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

The windows are definitely not lower. My guess is that the seats on AA's new 737s are higher than the older 737s. I've found this to be true with WN's 733s for example.

User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11199 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Well, the windows aren't at a different level, but maybe the seats are up higher in coach?
Quoting eaa3 (Reply 2):
They can't change the window height as it is how the actual aircraft is designed and not just the interior.
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
The windows are definitely not lower. My guess is that the seats on AA's new 737s are higher t

Yes, you described it much better.. maybe the floor is higher up. If its really the case, its really annoying..

Also the white LED lightning makes the plane feel like you are in a refrigerator..

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
BTW.... Did this flight have WiFi available?

It did. Wonder how many people actually use it.



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1630 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
BTW.... Did this flight have WiFi available?

All AA aircraft with the BSI (3GY and subsequent) are equipped with the Aircell/Gogo WiFi mod before entering service.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9595 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Yes, you described it much better.. maybe the floor is higher up. If its really the case, its really annoying..

Actually the floor is the same height and the window is the same height. AA also uses the same Weber seat on its recently delivered 737NGs with sky interior as they had with the bigger bins style planes, which had been in planes delivered since the resumption of deliveries 2009. However the older 737s have Recaro seats which may be part of the difference.

Also the window sculpting is different, however that does not affect the actual window, but the panel around it. It might be an optical illusion. In general 737 windows require you to bend down if you want to see parallel to the airplane. They are designed so that you can look down at the ground and not at the horizon or sky so that sun does not enter the cabin at eye level.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):

Also the white LED lightning makes the plane feel like you are in a refrigerator..

Is that because of the blue light?



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User currently offlinePaul787 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):

You are totally right. This summer I've flown MIA-TPA-MIA, both legs on 738. The first flight was operated by one of the older 738s in AA's fleet (2001) and the seat was noticeably lower than in the brand new 738 on my return flight.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10593 times:

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):
Are the windows really lower?

They certainly seem so. It's kind of like a CRJ, though not to the same extent.

I also noticed that the seat pitch seems to have shrunk, and is now unbearably tight (at least for someone of my height, and I'm 6'1). Only up in the front of economy (I was sitting in row 10), though. Further back (somewhere behind the wing) it was better. I don't get that one.

-Mir



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User currently offlinesptv From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10577 times:

interesting -- I flew IN to MIA last night from PUJ on an AA 738 with Sky interior. Wonder if it was the same plane. We parked somewhere around gate D31. It was very nice. Flew out (MIA-LAX) on a 757, which was horrible. I will actively avoid AA's 757s from now on until they get an interior upgrade.

User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

I noticed the same thing on a Austrian flight 737-800 earlier this year out of LHR seemed even worse as I am 6'2.

Ryan


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25125 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10496 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
In general 737 windows require you to bend down if you want to see parallel to the airplane. They are designed so that you can look down at the ground and not at the horizon or sky so that sun does not enter the cabin at eye level.

I much prefer the 737 windows to those on the A320 family which are both smaller and (in my opinion) mounted too high on the fuselage. Most people who like window seats want to look down at the ground, not up, and the 737 (and all other Boeing narrowbodies) make this much easier. Obviously it also depends on your height, but in my opinion Boeing got it right when they designed the 707 and successors and I'm glad they haven't changed the window size or placement since.

I also always thought the L-1011 windows were mounted slightly too high on the fuselage, and of course the L-1011 windows were much smaller (about 30% I believe) than the large windows on the DC-10 which were also mounted lower and provided an excellent view (as on the MD-11).


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10466 times:
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I have not been on a Sky Interior 737 yet but...there are no structural changes to the aircraft. It is purely an illusion. In fact Boeing is delivering standard interior 737's alongside Sky Interior 737's. Windows are cut the same on the frame.

User currently offlinebpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 5):
All AA aircraft with the BSI (3GY and subsequent) are equipped with the Aircell/Gogo WiFi mod before entering service.

By chance do you know the "N" numbers for these aircraft?


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3285 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10130 times:

rzjets.net is a very useful site for pairing fleet #s with reg #s.

It says N867-882NN are the new ones.

Cheers,
Cameron

[Edited 2012-01-02 21:45:53]

User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1630 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9955 times:

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 13):
By chance do you know the "N" numbers for these aircraft?

Cameron has a pretty good resource - I would recommend that as well.

Sorry about that...I'm programmed to think in fleet numbers. It comes in handy with the MD80s, since they're a hodge-podge of different regs depending on the original customer and other factors.  



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):
I flew MIA-ORD last night in a brand new AA 737-800

Interesting, because AA had been flying either all 757s or 757s and a few 763s on the route. AA must need some extra 757s elsewhere and is substituting a few 738s over the holiday period.


User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

I think that the best window placement is on the E175/190's perfect to sit normally and watch everything out of the window. I am excited to ride on a 787 to experience the huge windows.

RYAN


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9388 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
It might be an optical illusion.

Very well might be,., but i was slouching down on my seat... Maybe the new aircraft's seats are still nice and firm, whereas on the older ones you are sitting on the frame it self?

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):

Also the white LED lightning makes the plane feel like you are in a refrigerator..

Is that because of the blue light?

No, not the blue light.. the white light that was on right before take off and a bit before landing.. It has super high color temperature



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9251 times:
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Quoting mt99 (Reply 18):
No, not the blue light.. the white light that was on right before take off and a bit before landing.. It has super high color temperature

That is actually the inflight meal/beverage light setting IIRC. I have only worked the airplane once. I think the blue setting is the take off/landing setting. I found it sort of odd as well, so we went ahead and kept the blue light setting during flight. Found it more soothing. have only worked it once, so my memory might be playing tricks on me.


User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1674 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9208 times:
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Quoting rscaife1682 (Reply 17):
I think that the best window placement is on the E175/190's perfect to sit normally and watch everything out of the window.

That is if you are lucky enough to get a seat that is lined up properly with a window. Most of them are not.

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User currently offlineneutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting mt99 (Thread starter):

I think that is a function of your seat height/seat cushion height. The windows on the 737 don't change vertical position due to a new interior.


User currently offlineSLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

There is no difference in window height on any 737 model, probably seat height or an illusion. Only jet that has really too low windows is the CRJ2, thankfully they did a major fuselage change with floor and window height on the CRJ7/9. Great view on them except when airlines go 2 class seating, then the seats and windows in Y class don't line up real well.

[Edited 2012-01-03 14:18:05]

User currently offlinecapitalflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 21):
seat height/seat cushion height

Being a new plane, perhaps seat cushion hadn't been smashed down yet.


User currently offlinenitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 23):
Being a new plane, perhaps seat cushion hadn't been smashed down yet.

  



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25 kann123air : All AA 767-223s and select 738s and MD80s have WiFi.
26 Mir : However, I noticed (with great disappointment) that the 762s still have the old style power ports that require an adapter, whereas the 738s have prop
27 aviateur : Right, it's the seat position, not the position of the windows. The position of the windows is dependent on the structure of the airframe and cannot b
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