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US To Begin DSM/OMA-CLT  
User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

It's been a real good week for DSM, and it just keeps getting better.


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...ways-adds-two-nonstop-flights.html

73 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

And someone here recently posted that US was not giving the mid-west any love, looks like they heard his plea.  


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User currently offlinedlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1905 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Wow! When I lived in OMA, especially after the merger with HP, everyone asked why US didn't fly to CLT from there?

Maybe I'll give US a try sometime when I go back to visit Nebraska.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Good news for all involved. It will give passengers at OMA and DSM a southeast hub option to compete with Delta.

User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Here is the flight schedule which i posted in the Slot Swap Thread earlier this week.

2563 CLTDSM 1135a 0116p CRJ
2567 CLTDSM 0620p 0840p CRJ
2558 DSMCLT 0705a 1023a CRJ
2560 DSMCLT 0145p 0503p CRJ

2214 CLTOMA 1125A 0111P CR7
2216 CLTOMA 0749P 0934P CR7
2218 OMACLT 0730A 1056A CR7
2275 OMACLT 0145P 0511P CR7

3364 OMADCA 425P 755P E70
3351 DCAOMA 150P 345P E70


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Looks like US will be giving DL and F9 a little competition on the OMA-DCA route.

User currently offlinejadedchameleon From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 5):
Looks like US will be giving DL and F9 a little competition on the OMA-DCA route.


With the slot swap, DL is ending OMA-DCA and US is starting it.

The CLT service is a pleasant surprise, though.


User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Quoting evanbu (Thread starter):
It's been a real good week for DSM, and it just keeps getting better.

So, including this, what all has been announced for DSM in the past few weeks?

- AA mainline returns DSM-DFW
- F9 upgrades to mainline 2x/day DSM-DEN
- US adding 2x/day DSM-CLT

Am I missing anything?



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Looks like US is finally showing some love for the cities that were downgraded or cut out after the PIT dehubbing.

Makes me wonder if US will return to other cities that they orphaned post-PIT like EVV, FWA, GRR, SBN, and TOL. I could see US launching FWA-DCA with the slot swap (there is a lot of DC-bound traffic from FWA) with a side order of PHL or CLT.



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User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Some notes about DSM-

1.

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):

The F9 2X daily has been going on for a while. But it being upgraded to an Airbus.

2. Did DSM just quietly lose DCA? Because I don't see it in the DL or US systems?

3. These AA, F9, and US announcements are great, but the massively large elephant in the room continues to be whether or not WN will go with DSM. I give the odds at 65/35 in favor of picking up DSM.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting planespotting (Reply 7):
So, including this, what all has been announced for DSM in the past few weeks?

- AA mainline returns DSM-DFW
- F9 upgrades to mainline 2x/day DSM-DEN
- US adding 2x/day DSM-CLT

Am I missing anything?

Yes-DL changing 2x DSM-ATL to MD80 from CR9 starting in June.


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 10):

IAH-DSM going to 737-700? Not happening, but here's to hoping...


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 9):
2. Did DSM just quietly lose DCA? Because I don't see it in the DL or US systems?

It ends around July 1st or so. I'm assuming the US will pick it up in their second round of flight additions.


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

JoelJack- Just ignore me, I'm an

Quoting joeljack (Reply 12):

Good to hear, because I doubt F9 would have picked that up.


User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 9):
The F9 2X daily has been going on for a while. But it being upgraded to an Airbus.

Yep, I know - I just meant that both flights going to Airbus is a relatively new development.



Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

I wish that US would re-start service to OKC...except from CLT.

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Looks like US is finally showing some love for the cities that were downgraded or cut out after the PIT dehubbing.

Actually, I don't think US ever served PIT-DSM and served PIT-OMA for a very brief time. Both those cities were previously in the US (East) system via Air Midwest's MCI-based US Express operation.


User currently offlineFLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Looks like US is finally showing some love for the cities that were downgraded or cut out after the PIT dehubbing.

Actually, I don't think US ever served PIT-DSM and served PIT-OMA for a very brief time. Both those cities were previously in the US (East) system via Air Midwest's MCI-based US Express operation.

Actually, you both are incorrect. US served both DSM and OMA nonstop from PIT in the 90s, along with nonstop flights to ICT and one-stop service to GRB via MKE. All four of those cities lost nonstop flights to PIT years before the dehubbing. DSM, OMA, and ICT survived in the legacy US network for several years via the USX/Air Midwest flights through MCI.

http://www.departedflights.com/USPIThub.html


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2286 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

Wow good news for DSM lately. I wonder if US will expand more into the midwest via CLT? Would be nice to have a little more competition out here after losing some (CO / NW) via mergers.

User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

Does anyone know what will become of the morning DSM-PHX CRJ200 flight once the YV contract ends? OO is not shown to be picking up this route. Will the 200 be upgraded to a 900 or could a 319 find its way from PHX-DSM? Thoughts?


GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
I could see US launching FWA-DCA with the slot swap (there is a lot of DC-bound traffic from FWA) with a side order of PHL or CLT.

Huh?

The market from FWA to all three DC area airports combined is less than 25 PDEW. That's hardly enough justification to open a new station compiled with the fact that DCA is slot restricted.

Quoting evanbu (Reply 9):

2. Did DSM just quietly lose DCA? Because I don't see it in the DL or US systems?

As another posted stated, DL will continue operated DSM-DCA flights through 10Jul. If you'll remember back to 2009, DSM was listed as one of destinations US announced it would start from DCA and while there have been a few changes from that list, many will remain unchanged.
 


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Makes me wonder if US will return to other cities that they orphaned post-PIT like EVV, FWA, GRR, SBN, and TOL. I could see US launching FWA-DCA with the slot swap (there is a lot of DC-bound traffic from FWA) with a side order of PHL or CLT.

Patience.  

Probably won't see anything happen to DCA though.


User currently offlineCRJ900LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 4):
Here is the flight schedule which i posted in the Slot Swap Thread earlier this week.

2563 CLTDSM 1135a 0116p CRJ
2567 CLTDSM 0620p 0840p CRJ
2558 DSMCLT 0705a 1023a CRJ
2560 DSMCLT 0145p 0503p CRJ

2214 CLTOMA 1125A 0111P CR7
2216 CLTOMA 0749P 0934P CR7
2218 OMACLT 0730A 1056A CR7
2275 OMACLT 0145P 0511P CR7

3364 OMADCA 425P 755P E70
3351 DCAOMA 150P 345P E70

Thank god its PSA and Republic flying these routes. If it were Air Wisconsin you would be majorly disapointed with the service and more then likely the cancelations would start piling up.


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 22):

Anyone want to take a stab at whether or not WN will keep FL operation?


User currently offlineSplitterz From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 23):

Anyone want to take a stab at whether or not WN will keep FL operation?


Yes. Those 717 will eventually be flying to MDW. At least that what I think....


Now we need a OMA-PHL 


25 joeljack : If CLT does well, it wouldn't surprise me to see PHL added. Only time will tell. I would expect at least a year or more off though.
26 evanbu : I completely agree. MKE-DSM is on life support.
27 planespotting : I would imagine that if they just suddenly announced DSM-MDW, ditched MKE altogether and kept the 3x/day, each flight would be >90 percent full wi
28 LOWS : It is an enduring mystery to me as to why they are leaving OKC out in the cold. How is US on scope? could they put a CR7 on OKC-CLT x2/3? I have hear
29 Splitterz : Totally. But if a lot of people from Iowa "flock" to OMA to fly WN, won't it affect the OMA operation if a significant portion shifts to DSM? It will
30 evanbu : I kinda agree with you, but won't people from CID, ALO, FOD, MLI, and MCW FLOCK to get on a WN flight from Des Moines?
31 Splitterz : Yes. WN in DSM could make a big impact on the surrounding area. But the question remains, how big will the station actually be? Will it compete with
32 Post contains images CIDFlyer : that's why I think CID would be a good spot for SWA service I know wishful thinking, but if you think about it SWA serves OMA MCI MSP MKE MDW, CID is
33 evanbu : I call shenanigans. I can see WN entering the DSM market (population 300,000 in metro area), I do not however, in ANY scenario, see WN picking CID ov
34 Post contains images dw9115 : I think CLT to OMA is long over due I even think PHL to OMA is overdue also and should be on US's radar also. Just my
35 Splitterz : PDX?
36 atrude777 : SAN? Allegiant doesn't fly there.
37 Post contains images CIDFlyer : I know that's why I said wishful thinking And Des Moines is more closer to 500,000 metro population. I could maybe see Spirit taking smaller markets
38 planespotting : Actually, DSM and surrounding (including Newton and Pella) is roughly 630,000. Not that it matters a ton, but Pella has both Vermeer and PellaCorp/Ro
39 evanbu : Can G4 and WN co-exist?
40 milesrich : Newton used to be the home of Maytag, but National never flew anywhere near there. Unfortunately, Whirlpool, that bought Maytag moved all their jobs
41 joeljack : We think alike...I wrote the same thing about 2 years ago. It just makes sense geography wise and population wise. Within 100 mile radius of CID the
42 FutureFO : However almost 3 hours on a CRJ-200 is ridiculous. Minimum E170.
43 evanbu : Could be much worse. Actual flight time will be in the neighborhood of around 2 hours...
44 FutureFO : The block is set for 2h 46 min. Anything over an hour on a CRJ whether 200/700/900 is crazy.
45 dbo861 : DSM-PHX is blocked at 3hr 10 minutes. It's too bad US doesn't bring their E170s out west.
46 evanbu : Does anybody know what's going to happen next here? I think they could EASILY swing an Airbus on this route. Look for WN in the future to do DSM-PHX.
47 LOWS : I don't understand the Delta "Anything over 750 miles" rule. I suppose it has something to do with the CR7/9/10s being newer and thus, moderately mor
48 Post contains images atrude777 : Well..I've been waiting, what's the answer? Someone guessed PDX, I said SAN. Curious to what you're thinking. I don't discount that possibility but..
49 DeltAirlines : There's first class, wi-fi on 50% (soon 100%) of these planes and they're all getting Economy Comfort. I've done some 1400 legs on CRJ-700/900 in Fir
50 joeljack : Exactly!! Plus on UA and soon DL...Economy Plus!!! No extra legroom on a CRJ-200.
51 planespotting : From what I've heard, the market could handle three Airbus/day to and from PHX. Does US even have any mainline stations that only get one or two main
52 joeljack : Yeah...I've read that too. Why in the world would WN enter into an agreement like that? A little marketing dollars and reduced/ eliminated landing fe
53 atrude777 : I did not know that! That explains why DSM has stuck around then. My curiosity is DSM-MKE ONLY, or just a type of service for DSM? It just baffles me
54 atrude777 : I HIGHLY doubt, an airline will enter a contract where the said airline is going to lose money. This is probably a subsidery contract where the airli
55 Post contains images CIDFlyer : I knew I had seen somewhere on here before where someone had mentioned this before, very smart thinking! and the Cedar Rapids/Iowa City metro area is
56 Post contains links amccann : What many people seem to forget is that airline service to a particular destination is not just about the destinations population. I personally belie
57 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm not sure what you're saying but, Delta's rule is they will not fly any a/c over 750 miles withouth an F cabin. Essentially, no 50 seaters over 75
58 planespotting : That is the case - remember, AirTran used to do this route with CRJs via Skywest and that was the original way they were going to serve the route. WN
59 evanbu : I disagree. They drove to MLI to pick up FL...
60 MLI717fan : I would argue that CID's enplanements per citizen number is lower than the others because they were bleeding a lot to MLI in the FL days. DSM probabl
61 amccann : CID may be bleeding passengers to MLI but still not a significant number of passengers. The Quad Cities airport does not seem to publish detailed mon
62 atrude777 : Was the contract DSM alone or out of MKE? I ask because WN did NOT honor the other OO routes, PIT/OMA into MKE, but kept CAK, STL and DSM? Alex
63 Post contains links MLI717fan : Sorry, but I WISH we had that many enplanements. In October 2011 we had 36,310, down 16% from 2010. http://qctimes.com/business/passenge...4-1580-11e
64 Post contains images CIDFlyer : I would tend to agree, MLI is kind of in CID's backyard, and during FL's heyday there it siphoned off alot of CID pax. Even when CID was running reco
65 milesrich : You have to be driving awfully fast to get from CID to MLI in an hour, much faster than the speed limit. It's 84.14 miles. Even when the speed limit
66 CIDFlyer : well I should have clarified and said roughly an hour and a little more. Especially from Johnson County. Even in eastern Linn County it's an easy dri
67 evanbu : Side note: How is the CID-IAH service doing? Any chance of CID-EWR?
68 CIDFlyer : I'd like to know how IAH is doing too. Ive heard some flights go out pretty full and arent cheap, and its still running 2x daily. UA is a strong pres
69 evanbu : I still can not believe that DSM-IAH is still just 2X a day. It desperately needs a mid-morning 3rd flight. Especially when AA has sometimes 5-7 flig
70 atrude777 : Alex
71 MLI717fan : DL is the number one show at MLI, but UAX has a large presence here (in the summer, 7x ORD, 3x DEN with some CR7/E70s mixed in) and I've been hoping
72 dbo861 : I really have a bad feeling about WN sticking around in DSM. It will be very telling after March what happens..if they stick around, expand, or leave
73 planespotting : I'm mainly referring to business travelers, who are the main drivers of any airport/airline service. If you're flying on someone else's dime, it does
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